micro 1017 is over party

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 2.1 !

T3 (2):

Retti, Datisi

Toogeloo (1):

skitter30

skitter30 (1):

Rhyme and Reason

not voting (4):

tSjIs, pob long, T3, Toogeloo

with 8 alive, it takes 5 to point at someone and say "no" seventeen times. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-07-07 22:00:00)

modorator notes

• Datisi has Increased Charisma for this day phase; any player who disagrees with a statement he makes will take 1 HP of damage once the day is over. to "disagree" in this case is to speak in opposition to a claim that Datisi has made, while obviously addressing the statement to them (determined at mod discretion). each player may take one damage at most.
  
• skitter30 is vla fridays and saturdays

[Rhyme and Reason]

@schadd_, if I were to say something like "hey, retti, I think datisi is wrong about X, Y, Z in post A, because E, F, G, what do you think?" would that count as disagreeing with datisi and lead to receiving damage? asking because in the post explaining about how the power works, it says that datisi must be clearly addressed for the damage-taking to apply, and in such an instance retti would clearly be the one being addressed, not dats

[Datisi]

so S_S suggested, and I agree, that making trjis disagree with you today might be a good move because we can essentially treat her as conf!town for the rest of the day if she does, and treat it as a scum claim if she refuses to

i like the idea of having a conftown, but she dies at the end of the day like that right? which like, she seems decently town to me today/for eod1, like the pr play makes sense to me - i guess this ties back into your post abt skitt since you mentioned you didn't get why tris would do what she did from a pr perspective?

idk i wasn't planning on voting tris anyway today and i'm still mulling over (1) what are the odds scum!tris claims a watcher(?) shot like that and (2) whether a conftown that dies going into the night is worth it

[Datisi]

this feels like yelling into the void i am starting to not like my charisma potion anymore

[Rhyme and Reason]

my reads are:

retti -- town
datisi

pob long -- leaning town?

trjis, trjis -- something smells funky

skitt -- scum?
T3

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

ffs, I think my autocorrect changed "toogs" to trjis

[Rhyme and Reason]

my reads are:

retti -- town
datisi

pob long -- leaning town?

toogs, trjis -- something smells funky

skitt -- scum?
T3

~Rhyme

ebwop

[skitter30]

like, we all have potions, I'm assuming that most people have at least one that actually does something, so the explanation here doesn't really make sense that she was impatient because town PR? like if the majority of thread have powers of some nature then why would trjis particularly be so keen to do this? also doesn't really fit with my model of trjis as a player

like this feels like such a stretch of an explanation to me, and I also individually really don't like 450 which just feels very performative especially considering how quickly it's followed by the reversal on the slot?

and then besides that the progression on retti is at odds with what she was saying yesterday? I don't get why retti was suddenly voteable for "not having a strong reason to TR" him when yesterday all she mentioned was town reading him (89), and while she didn't say explicitly that that carried on throughout the day, it was implied: 180 suggests she thinks retti should be higher, and I think that 342 where she says that what retti was saying "resonated" with her also implies that she was TRing him there/identifying with what he had to say. I don't think retti did anything that makes sense that her TR there would drop off or she'd feel the need to pressure him by voting there, and the switch back to toogs immediately afterwards instead of... actually doing what she said she wanted to do also feels off? like if you're gonna vote retti to try to get a more solid read, it feels like it sort of defeats the purpose to immediately tell him that's what you're doing because then he kinda knows the potential pressure of the vote isn't real

~Rhyme

I mean a few things:
1. Tris's softing suddenly clicked between those two posts. In the context of 'oh bugs is obvscum and i'm excited to use my pr' the hammer makes sense. The bit explaining that the eod townread on me was meant to help her 'direct' scum actions to known targets makes sense too. Was the hammer a *good* thing to do? No. Do i endorse it? No. Does it make sense coming from a town pr? Yes

2. Yes i'm slow on the uptake for softs sometimes, i figured it out while writing 453

3. I dont really have a feeling on whether tris as a player would do this or not

4. The retti vote wasnt a 'ooooh now you're ny biggest scumread and i want to flip you vote', it was more of a 'hmmm i want to read them better and voting them will probably spark a convo that will enable me to do so'. And i wanted to do it in realtime but i fell asleep so the oppurtunity was lost a bit and i'm more interested in toog anyways. Also like three people overnight asked why i made that vote, so are you expecting me to just not answer or

5. Also the read just dropped off because i'm hesitatnt to say that all scum is in t3/toog/pob - since bugs flipped town that necessitates a shuffling of my reads given that i was wrong yesterday. Its not coming from anything he did or didnt do per se

6. I thinj you guys are over-estimated the strength of my t3 read - i dont per se townread him so much as i can find *something* that's a bit townie there (albeit small) whereas when i think of toog i cant find any good reasons to townread him at all, so he's my preferred vote rn

[Datisi]

i thought you weren't scumreading bugs? why did you vote them?

also before i forget

@t3 can you Not ignore this pls

[Toogeloo]

@toog, i assume your vote wasn't a serious vote (or rather, a vote born from a scumread) so i would like to know where you stand today as opposed to your last reads yesterday?

It was a test and not a serious vote.

You never actually answered 304 from me and I'd like to get a reply.

1. I was willing to give skitter a bit of a pass for activity's sake. I was not expecting the day to be over by the time I came back, and was just trying to pressure the lower activity slots into doing more.
2. I just found it either weird or insulting that you weren't noticing me despite voting me.

That seems like a good idea, yeah

also, I think I can out this without S_S being upset? but we had a hurt potion for 1 damage that we used on trjis last night (mainly my call) because I figured that there was a good chance that if anyone else had one they might also use it on her, and it would have been useful to know if the hammer was town or scum

so S_S suggested, and I agree, that making trjis disagree with you today might be a good move because we can essentially treat her as conf!town for the rest of the day if she does, and treat it as a scum claim if she refuses to

~Rhyme

If tris is already damaged by 1, wouldn't disagreeing kill them? So uh, you'll get a conftown by having a dead town? I would more expect tris to not want to die at all and make it NAI.

skitter feels scummy today

~Rhyme

skitter is all over the place today, without a doubt. Votes me but doesn't explain the drop from Null-town. Then votes Retti. Then revotes me and says the only person other "non-town" read is T3.

[schadd_]

@schadd_, if I were to say something like "hey, retti, I think datisi is wrong about X, Y, Z in post A, because E, F, G, what do you think?" would that count as disagreeing with datisi and lead to receiving damage? asking because in the post explaining about how the power works, it says that datisi must be clearly addressed for the damage-taking to apply, and in such an instance retti would clearly be the one being addressed, not dats

maybe the word "addressed" is awkward for this, but there are circumstances where you could make a statement like the one you suggested and still be obviously intending to communicate your disagreement to datisi specifically (this would of course be context-dependent). so to answer your question, in a vacuum that statement would not make you take damage but it's not impossible !!!

i should also note that this principle could also apply to certain statements made publicly and superficially directed as a question toward me

[Toogeloo]

Rhyme and Reason is now hard-lock town for me.
Datisi is an extremely strong town read.
Retti is now a town read too.

pob long drops down to null-scum. My original impression was that pob long was the most basic of vanilla's since they had a potion that did nothing, however they have admitted to having two potions that do nothing or have unknown effects, and this I refuse to believe. I believe pob long is fucking with us.

skitter is back down to full blown, I don't trust this slot. Their posting style yesterday was extremely delicate as to not piss off people, and their reads are everywhere and yet nowhere.

I think T3 is naturally scummy. I think it's hard for them to be on town in anyway, and their playstyle is easy for people to latch on to and call scummy. I do NOT have a town read on them, but I would not be surprised if they are town.

When I came back to thread I was locked out before I could do a full catch-up. My impressions of tris were they were doing a bit of scum theater with skitter, and their request to not be investigated was obviously a red flag, but I think I over thought it based on today's posts. I'm leaning lightly town with a weak foundation there for now.

[Toogeloo]

In short, my current two scum reads are skitter and pob long.

VOTE: skitter

[skitter30]

skitter is all over the place today, without a doubt. Votes me but doesn't explain the drop from Null-town. Then votes Retti. Then revotes me and says the only person other "non-town" read is T3.

Toog can u explain why exactly this makes me scum plz

I object to your characterization that my reads are 'everywhere and nowhere', but supposing it s an accurate description, why is it scum-indicative - like, what am i doing as scum here?

[Toogeloo]

Because you are getting pressure from other players as well and trying to figure what you can say that will appease the most people.

[pob long]

My "up to page 8" read list..

Rhyme and Reason
pob long
Datisi
T3
tSjIs
bugspray
---
Retti
skitter30

I think my top 3 should not be executed today.

pob long drops down to null-scum. My original impression was that pob long was the most basic of vanilla's since they had a potion that did nothing, however they have admitted to having two potions that do nothing or have unknown effects, and this I refuse to believe. I believe pob long is fucking with us.

In short, my current two scum reads are skitter and pob long.

HUH????? how did I go from there to here only from reasons that are making random guesses about the setup????

[skitter30]

Can you show where you think that's happening?

I'm p sure most of the pressure i received today happened after/because of me revising my reads, no?

Also ... uh you think i'd flip-flop on my reads to appease people after getting some pressure ?

[T3]

Scum tris's posts are way more shallow and she usually doesn't reply to people.

[Toogeloo]

this feels like yelling into the void i am starting to not like my charisma potion anymore

I think your charisma potion is just fine. This is me disagreeing with you, and you should be loving it.

I believe it works in tandem with Rhyme and Reason. I'm hard locking R&R because I have the exact same potion, though I haven't used mine yet to deal 1 damage to a player. I think in tandem with your potion, we can execute players we don't want around.

[Datisi]

@t3 stop fucking ignoring me why did you vote bugspray yesterday i will fuckin yeet your scummy ass

@pob you still owe me a q from yesterday i think, abt who are your townreads

tho at this point scumreads would be appreciated as well

@toog interesting. i was gonna ask why you were locktowning them so. i am kinda puzzled why you're willingly taking damage from me tho.

also the soccer match is over i am not happy and also not sober, so i will go for a walcc or smt to cool off, be back at some point in the next 3-5 business days

[skitter30]

I believe it works in tandem with Rhyme and Reason. I'm hard locking R&R because I have the exact same potion, though I haven't used mine yet to deal 1 damage to a player. I think in tandem with your potion, we can execute players we don't want around.

I'm skeptical that all of these sources of damage come from town, and am puzzled why you think this is a reason to locktown rr

I also lowkey think we might as well massclaim
I'm also kinda wondering if scum in this scenario would claim their damage to 'get ahead' of massclaim given that other people are claiming damage-causing potions as well - there is going to be damage from unexplained sources probably and scum are going to have to claim something - if townies are claiming damage it suddenly becomes 'safe', if not advantageous, to do so

I will note that you being blase about taking damage yourself is probably on the townier side but i dont think its enuf to townread u

[T3]

Basically
the naked voting isn't scummy but I can't say why.
The ignoring questions is scuy because it just is.

[Retti]

without thinking much, i'm inclined to think that skitter is scum,

that actually makes me think you're town

What is this I don't even

i would like your thoughts on what made skitt town there

Er, is this directed at me? My read on skitter didn't have anything to do with the tris posts (obviously), I thought she was town for other reasons. I'll get into it later.

tris, was the potion you used the one that makes you drunk or was it another? For clarification.

VOTE: T3

could you Talk about your t3 vote here

Was a first-impulse vote to move to the person I thought was least towny after I thought tris might be town for mechanical stuff. I feel like his opinions have been too weathervaney, mostly the stuff he's saying is just catching up and repeating things other people have said, I know it was after my vote but I feel like 489 is a good example of this, like he's just repeating the reads tris and skitter gave on each other to blend in? I'm not getting a feeling of a ~genuine thought process~ anywhere from him. He had the one "emulating my scumgame post" which I liked but it's not impossible to fake and I don't think I can shield him over that when he's lacking in solving.

I, uh, appreciate you wording these questions in a neutral fashion.

shitty vca - usually i would say that the ~general waffling, approval, no real disagreement~ around the bugs wagon implies it's likely scum was off it, but considering day 1 was so short in time, i don't think it's necessarily that way (since i feel it's also extremely plausible that town was genuinely feeling uncomfortable with ending the day so fast) so like i am still shit at vca, nothing to see here.

I put basically no stock in on/off wagon in a 9p game, seem all-town day 1 wagons entirely by chance. If you want to analyze the votes look at what people actually said and their reasoning for doing so.

[Retti]

Toog voting Datisi as an entrance was actually off to me - even as a joke, I feel like town would be more cautious about taking damage? Whereas scum would have less reason to fear taking more damage if they're the ones doing it.

[Retti]

@retti the vote had nothing to do with the potion thing
It was more an offshoot of me thinking i dont have as strong a reason to townread you and since you had been around was hoping it would spark an interesting convo that would help me read you better
But then i fell asleep

And waking up honestly i'm more interested in toog so gonna switch back VOTE: toog

It was an impulsive 'oh maybe this will lead to an interesting convo' thing more than anything else

Probably just as well because I felt like going to sleep around then, too. Regardless, I'm here now, although I'm still catching up, if you want to have a conversation, just ask me something?