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[OutWorldER]

PT Links:
nomnomnom Notes: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86924 (will not release without permission)
Mod PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86914
Mafia PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86916 (Waiting for all members of the mafia to consent or (expired on 2021-06-29 15:40:24) to pass)
Dead PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86918
Review Thread: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86498 (Waiting on implosion to public the thread)

[Dwlee99]

why n1 kill?

I am very unsure. Bambi chose it and I went along with it.

[OutWorldER]

Spoiler: Big wall of mostly pre-typed mod thoughts

Setup Thoughts:

The setup passed review with no notes or changes by the reviewers. As I noted in the submission PM, I intended for this to be a mostly "vanilla" low-power setup that simply played with modifiers and combinations I found interesting. Combined Hider Bodyguard is a role that I want to use again, because I find it interesting the decision making that goes into using a role like that. Seeing how the game played out and reading the Mafia PT, I do think that in hindsight an IC of some sort would’ve been better than the Simple Vig, as it would’ve had the same effect of self-confirming without the swing that comes with a Vig, even as restricted as the one we had.

I am disappointed the Complex Fruit Vendor got no usage at all; I want to revisit that some day because I like the idea of essentially a role cop that doesn’t get its results instantly and has counter-play that doesn’t involve night actions.

Mafia complained a little in both their factional PT and dead PT that the setup felt a little unfair because it was one FV + 2 goons versus 4 power roles but I think their complaints are skewed simply by the bad hand they were dealt with from the start. In reality, the detective got zero results of use, the Combined HB got executed, and the Universal Backup died instantly afterwards protecting somebody. Some of this can be attributed to town playing too fast and not really considering PR claims at all, but I think it’s also a function of the low-power nature of the setup.

Modding thoughts:

Obviously, there was the one big blunder that most likely was the reason Bambi got slapped by the Vig. However, besides that, modding this felt smoother than my previous game and I felt less anxious sending PM’s then I did last time. They were also faster, in general.

It would be negligent of me not to switch to an automated counter for future games. I like using Excel (I just, like using it, I don’t really have a good reason for using Excel over an automated counter, I just like entering data into charts like that.), but this is my second modded game and I already feel like I’ve made too many VC errors across those two games.

I had thought I’d need a backup mod to handle things for my birthday on the 19th and the following days but it ended up not being needed so Datisi just kinda chilled in the mod PT for a bit then left. Didn’t have 5 million replacements like last time, so that’s a plus.

Play thoughts:

As said, scum were dealt a pretty shitty hand with a day 1 scum elim and Rathe flaking. VC blunder into vig shot true combo didn’t help either. That said they played extremely well. Bambi using her prior meta with Almost50 to cause chaos in the thread was a sight to behold and I was caught off guard how fast the tables turned on HEM and nom who I had considered to be in fairly good positions at that point with how well they were doing in terms of being TR’d and leading discussion.

I believe Town’s biggest stumbling here was overconfidence. Town leaders were doing a good job providing and drawing out content and accumulating TR’s but rode the high of a day 1 scum elim too long and ended up unable to reconsider their viewpoints at critical moments, resulting in fast days which proved especially destructive when two PR’s were ousted early on.

None of this is to say that Town didn’t play well or have good players. I think with some more caution Town would’ve eventually gotten on the right track as there were players like Kerset who had voiced suspicion of Dwlee99 and had the days not moved so fast perhaps a more through prodding and poking of that slot could’ve been had.

Overall, it was anyone’s game for the majority of it, and I thought it was a good game from my perspective, blemished only by my own blunder.

[Bambi Jay]

why n1 kill?

That was me. I picked someone who didn't say enough to be recognizable but wasn't a complete lurker either.

You keep loud people like Monkey around for awhile, and get rid of people like Kyouko who's opinion is more close to the chest.

Plus she seemed smart so bye bye her.

[T3]

AIEEEEEE I WAS TREATING DWLEE AS IC

[T3]

I saw someone mention it

ughughughugh

[Dwlee99]

The frustrating part of the setup in my opinion was that there was the bodyguard and the backup. If detective got a guilty day two and town didn't lolkill Seanzie, we wouldn't have been able to kill the slot til night four, giving the detective two more results. The fruit vendor also had the potential to be misleading, because if we had found seanzie with it we would have also wasted a night kill shooting him which would have been very bad for us.

A lot of my frustrations were more when I thought there was also a psychologist in the game, cause that would have been ridiculous. I think in general I just get frustrated as scum when I feel like my night kills are "forced," (which after the first one they pretty much were) but I think that might amount more to a playstyle thing than a balance thing.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gg I thought dwlee saying tic tac toe in first post was a mason crumb for t3 lol

[Elsa Jay]

Well the vig was predictable from there being a detective. Almost probably wouldn't have even been believed as much or he would've actually gotten shot by scum if, you know, it wasn't me there.

I kinda outted him and we both went down cuz of it, ironically.

[OutWorldER]

Yeah now that you mention that combined HBG and the Complex FV could've gone wrong. As I mentioned in my big wall, I also believe an IC instead of the vig would've been more appropriate here as well.

Overall I can't really say I'm overly pleased nor exactly discontent with the way the setup played out.

[Elsa Jay]

With less then 48 hour dayphases (in one case less then 24), we had a very exciting quick mini atleast.

[Kerset]

With less then 48 hour dayphases (in one case less then 24), we had a very exciting quick mini atleast.

who are you?

[OutWorldER]

I put the game in my signature and then both forgot to make sure my signature could be seen and also forgot to update it at all.

[Dwlee99]

Just read dead thread: I don't think I hammered almost @box. I'm pretty sure it was t3 who did that.

[Bambi Jay]

With less then 48 hour dayphases (in one case less then 24), we had a very exciting quick mini atleast.

who are you?

An ease dropping sister.

Hope to play you again Kers. Hopefully as town next time.

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for modding btw! Was a lot of fun.

[OutWorldER]

Thanks for modding btw! Was a lot of fun.

Thank you for playing. I once again apologize for the Almost50 mishap.

I'm considering modding a theme/open of some kind. I found a post from a while ago (that I can't find again) talking about an anonymafia game where the anti-town faction was a cult that took over the accounts of the players it assimilated and I want to find that game because I kinda want to run that.

[boxxy]

@Dwlee

Ah you're right, I thought this was the hammer, but you were already voting him at that point.

I'll do you one better monkey
VOTE: Almost50
Goodnight

[boxxy]

@Dwlee the slow play you did the last 2 days was just agonizing to watch from the dead thread lol. I really want HEM to come back to this thread and share his reaction. Just absolutely pocketed.

[Dwlee99]

Do you think I could have gone faster? I wanted to make sure I didn't seem to be rushing a win (like the accusation max made on HEM)

[Seanzie]

Good game all!

Congrats scum! Especially Dwlee, I think you did very well here.

Thanks a lot OutWorldER for the game, you were a great host, VC's and PM replies were very quick, which is always appreciated.

Thanks everyone. Sorry I was a bit of a butt about being TK'd.

[nomnomnom]

Sad game. Oh well.
GG scum!

[boxxy]

Do you think I could have gone faster? I wanted to make sure I didn't seem to be rushing a win (like the accusation max made on HEM)

Honestly no idea, I think you probably played it right. You were so townread by others that you probably _could_ have gotten away with playing faster, but the slow play was probably safer.

[cyrus62]

yay we won

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Stopped reading from the dead thread around end of D3 or something, spoiled the last scum for myself and was totally shocked, wp dwlee (and scum as a whole)