FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over

[Servant Lancer]

Archer
Saber
Shielder,Lancer,Rider,Ruler,Avenger,Foreigner
Caster,Beast
Berserker
Assassin
Alter Ego

VOTE: Saber

Care to elaborate on why Berserker and Alter are so low?

[Servant Caster]

Do you think my interpretation of Cabd's posts regarding the mafia upgrade is unreasonable?

[Servant Lancer]

oops moon cancer did explain already. please ignore.

ummmmm I don’t want to waste this post so here’s more content I guess:

I don’t like how Beast tried to get me to be “townbuddies.” Can someone else give opinion on that?

pedit: it’s not unreasonable but more like.. weirdly accurate when I was initially wrong and it seemed like Berserker was in the same boat as me and it feels kind of weird for someone who didn’t play in the first game to have a better understanding of the mafia role pm’s and upgrade than someone who was in the first game

[Servant Caster]

I don't see why my lack of participation in the first game would impact my ability to read what the moderator has laid out in his posts.

Also I think if the Mafia were to get ***** and */day and additional upgrades that would be quite unbalanced so just putting on my game balance hat I would think it wouldn't be that.

I think you're a fairly easy townread so I don't see what's wrong with Beast's read on you.

[Servant Beast]

Does anyone have serious objections to Saber getting the boost.

I'd like to move on.

I don't see a need to rush the phase, especially when Ruler and Shielder have yet to post. I want everyone to weigh in.

I actually think my preference is more toward Berserker or Assassin, though that decision is partly motivated by personality, as I think they'd be easier to work with than Saber. (Although I do think Assassin became much townier when he started talking about his reads and not just his role mechanics)

I can't really imagine what you see in Assassin's personality that makes them preferable to saber. Assassin's entrance, if town, was impulsive.

[Servant Berserker]

Again, Assassins motivation was never the initial master. They admitted as such.

Lancer is the easiest read in the game followed by Archer, it’s part of why Moon’s readslist is so awkward.

[Servant Beast]

How would you have preferred I approached you lancer?

[Servant Beast]

Again, Assassins motivation was never the initial master. They admitted as such.

Lancer is the easiest read in the game followed by Archer, it’s part of why Moon’s readslist is so awkward.

I feel like you need to be more skeptical of people than just seeing the first layer of an onion and being like, "yup, that's all there is"

[Servant Berserker]

And deeper information comes with more data. We still are missing some slots.

When I am at a computer I intend to try and put some more work in. Won’t be for at least two hours. As is, my primary concern is building an initial block and holding them to standard as the game progresses(For instance, getting actual reads and thoughts out of Egos). Until we get our first flip, we play it by ear.

It should go without saying I will reevaluate later, as I assume most of this game will. But for now, they are town enough.

[Servant Ruler]

Gathered servants of this great realm, I give you my greetings! I shall do my best to serve. I believe the best way to eliminate the corrupt is to identify the pure, especially given the master selection start to our crusade.

If I were to identify a corrupt servant, I would tag

Servant Foreigner

, but in the interest of seeking the pure of heart, my focus is elsewhere.

Mechanical talk, which the majority of servants are engaging in, inherently shall not reliably identify the pure of heart, so my focus is largely in reading the aspects said beyond mechanics.

To this end, while

Servant Archer

may have declared they're not the best choice for mastership, they are the first servant who I feel lacks corruption. In the rvs, it is difficult to reliably differentiate between the pure and the corrupt, however,

Servant Archer

seems to genuinely be integrating into our group without deliberately trying;

Servant Archer

's early stances appear pure of heart.

The prophecy was true - I've now two townreads. At this rate I should have the game solved by page 7.

While a statement of this nature could be made by the corrupt, I am inclined to believe this declaration was made sincerely and the effort to sort the pure from the corrupt was genuine;

Servant Alter Ego

is my second pure servant read.

Though

Servant Lancer

is largely engaged in mechanical talk, I feel they may also be pure of heart, with posts such as 85 feeling sincere.

I’m coming around to the idea that we should be aiming to hit town more than we care about the NP of whoever gets it.

I agree. I've no read on

Servant Saber

being corrupt or pure, so I do not yet trust them.

Servant Beserker

gave a faint indicator of a good heart in 81 (it helps that as of 93 I agree with all three purity reads), but I do not trust the sheep of it in

Servant Saber

's 83.

Servant Beast

's 88 could be corrupt, but I lean more towards purity.

I have a possible guess as to who

Servant Archer

would be; were my guess to be correct, trusting them would be a disastrous mistake here as by meta I'd be inclined to think them corrupt.

Vote to master: Servant Lancer

.

I'm half-way through the thread. I believe

Servants Lancer, Archer, Beserker, and Beast

to be pure, and would master any of them if they were willing.
I believe

Servants Foreigner and

(possibly)

Saber

to be corrupt, thus poor choices for mastership.

Servants Assassin, Avenger, Caster, Moon Cancer, and Rider

I've no read on as of page 5. (Half hadn't posted by then; the half which had were null.) I believe there's one additional servant having not posted in our 11 pages yet and they also belong here.

[Servant Lancer]

I don't see why my lack of participation in the first game would impact my ability to read what the moderator has laid out in his posts.

Also I think if the Mafia were to get ***** and */day and additional upgrades that would be quite unbalanced so just putting on my game balance hat I would think it wouldn't be that.

I’ll admit it’s a tinfoil-y theory on my part, just explaining my caution for players, eg berserker, tossing a townread your way for “mech-confusion” which was not actually confusion and therefore doesn’t merit townslip status in my opinion.

I think you're a fairly easy townread so I don't see what's wrong with Beast's read on you.

How would you have preferred I approached you lancer?

I don’t like when people are like “wanna be townbuddies” without showing that they’re town or trying to get the other person to get to a townread them, I guess.

@Caster: speaking of my being a fairly easy townread - why do you think assassin and moon cancer aren’t townreading me, then?

[Servant Berserker]

If I’m remembering correctly Lancer also asked to not be master.

I currently have three (four with you) in favor of me, not including myself.

Pedit-
It could be premature, yes. Do you think the post about how we reacted to his scumread came from a scum mindset?

[Servant Lancer]

@Ruler first you say archer is towny and then that if your main-guess is correct that this is actually their scum meta? That feels contradictory

[Servant Lancer]

If I’m remembering correctly Lancer also asked to not be master.

I currently have three (four with you) in favor of me, not including myself.

Pedit-
It could be premature, yes. Do you think the post about how we reacted to his scumread came from a scum mindset?

I don’t think I read that part of the thread very thoroughly and I probably won’t get the chance to until later.

[Servant Berserker]

We can discuss in full later, and maybe Archer will also join in.

[Servant Lancer]

@Ruler you also say that your read on Saber is neither pure nor corrupt but then down below you separate them out of your nullpile into the possibly corrupt pile. What differentiates Saber’s slot from the nullpile such that you say they’re possibly corrupt, given that you said you have no read on them either way?

[Servant Archer]

If I’m remembering correctly Lancer also asked to not be master.

I currently have three (four with you) in favor of me, not including myself.

Pedit-
It could be premature, yes. Do you think the post about how we reacted to his scumread came from a scum mindset?

I don’t think I read that part of the thread very thoroughly and I probably won’t get the chance to until later.

We can discuss in full later, and maybe Archer will also join in.

Are you talking about Caster here? -- If so, I am leaning town for Caster. I disagree with their conclusion on both my alignment and Berserkers - But I think that the way they have approached it shows a town mindset. The fact that they apparently set a reaction test for the two of us, and then came back and analyzed it tells me they are actively trying to figure out our alignment.

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@Ruler, I would also like clarification on both of these

Spoiler:

@Ruler first you say archer is towny and then that if your main-guess is correct that this is actually their scum meta? That feels contradictory

@Ruler you also say that your read on Saber is neither pure nor corrupt but then down below you separate them out of your nullpile into the possibly corrupt pile. What differentiates Saber’s slot from the nullpile such that you say they’re possibly corrupt, given that you said you have no read on them either way?

[Servant Beast]

You disagree with their conclusion that you're scum?

[Servant Archer]

You disagree with their conclusion that you're scum?

Well, yeah lol

but I guess what I meant was that I disagreed specifically with the criteria they used to make draw their conclusion

when you're town and you get accused of being scum with someone else, you tend to at least ask if the read is associative or specific on behavior.

[Servant Beast]

You guess?

[Servant Ruler]

In the first 5 pages I saw nobody warn of our page limit for the day so I would remind people that we should keep posting to a minimum. (

Servant Rider

does point this out in 224.) I considered making only one post for the 11 pages to this end, but ultimately decided it would be easier for people to read me if I showed my progression from the first half of the thread to the second. (The more often I post, the easier it is to sort me, but the downside is both the page limit and the ease of identifying who I am. Two posts felt like an appropriate compromise between ease of read and page limit + anonymity.)

146 may be reads rather than mechanics from

Servant Assassin

but I retain no read on them, regrettably. 149 is similarly difficult to be sure, but I am inclined towards good over evil.

151/154 reinforce my pure-of-heart read on

Servant Berserker

.

Not a big fan of Rider's iso atm lol.

It certainly is not an iso which makes me think pure of heart. 224 does

Servant Rider

no favors and I lean towards them being corrupt.

Were we to be in a stage where we were to eliminate the corrupt with our votes, 162 would earn it from

Servant Foreigner

. If

Servant Foreigner

is corrupt, I believe 164 provides evidence

Servant Assassin

is pure. 170/171 do nothing to dissuade me from my belief in

Servant Foreigner

's corruption, but on a surface level may indicate the ones attacked are pure. (Admittedly though, it's not impossible for

Servant Caster

to be engaged in theatrics. The later stages of page 8 make me inclined to believe otherwise, that

Servant Caster

may be pure of heart.)

209 if my guess towards

Servant Saber

's identity is correct solidifies my feelings that they are corrupt with

Servant Foreigner

.

Strange as 226 may be, my inclination is

Servant Moon Cancer

's pure of heart. It's a much weaker read than those on

Servants Lancer, Archer, Berserker, and Beast

, instead being more comparable in strength to the good leans I have on

Servants Assassin and Caster

.

I've no thoughts on

Servant Avenger

as their contributions say nothing of their purity/corruption and their claim could be either.

If I’m remembering correctly Lancer also asked to not be master. I currently have three (four with you) in favor of me, not including myself.

Vote to master: Servant Berserker

.

@Ruler first you say archer is towny and then that if your main-guess is correct that this is actually their scum meta? That feels contradictory

Apologies. I made an unfortunately regrettable, but rather large, typo.

I have a possible guess as to who

Servant Saber

would be; were my guess to be correct, trusting them would be a disastrous mistake here as by meta I'd be inclined to think them corrupt.

This is what I meant to say.

My reads on

Servant Archer

is pure; my read on

Servant Saber

if my guess to their identity is correct, is corrupt.

This should also serve as answer to your 265; if my guess at

Servant Saber

's identity is correct, they are corrupt (thus their placement), but if my guess at

Servant Saber

's identity is wrong, then there's little to tell if they are corrupt or pure. They may still be corrupt off of their later posting even if I am wrong, but I admit my guess at their identity may be biasing me towards this conclusion.

[Servant Archer]

You guess?

Well, yeah, lol

I don't think that town is more likely to react to a scum read on page 2 for some reason - regardless of whether caster listed 2 people in his scum reads.

Maybe I am just wrong on what the average town player would do, but I know that I was more focused on trying to start getting reads on other people, then to really care that they were scum reading me.

I know for a fact that it is wrong in this instance, and I am guessing that it is probably wrong in general

[Servant Lancer]

@Ruler thanks for clarifying. Can you explain why you put Beast on the same tier as me/archer/berserker? Any thoughts on their posts other than 88?

[Servant Ruler]

To summarize:

Servants Alter Ego, Archer, Lancer, Berserker, and Beast

are strongly pure of heart.

Servants Moon Cancer, Caster, and Assassin

I lean towards being good over evil.

Servants Avenger, and not-yet-posted

I have no read on.

Servants Foreigner, Saber, and Rider

I believe are corrupt.

[Servant Ruler]

@Ruler thanks for clarifying. Can you explain why you put Beast on the same tier as me/archer/berserker? Any thoughts on their posts other than 88?

102 was in line with my own thoughts. There's nuance behind 118 that is difficult to be corrupted. 142 furthers this, as I fail to see how the corrupted use this train of logic.

While I disagree with their takes in 145/242, a lack of agreement doesn't indicate corruption in them and they seem to genuinely be sorting, just with different reads than mine.