In post 113, GrandpaMo wrote:
also -- its because i thought this whole push on me was a meme.
but ig its not?
I was asking for clarity on this earlier in the game and nobody provided it. It seemed like inside jokes/things not be taking seriously. I know this is a game, but especially in a Newbie it's nice when things are clearly communicated.
Psyche gave you additional reasons for his vote making it no longer an RVS vote. I decided to switch my vote to you mostly because I was unsettled by what I felt was a defense of your odd behavior by Nancy. Also, I like early E-1's. They give a lot of information and IMO are well worth the low risk of a quickhammer. I would say that reactions from you, Psyche, and more notably Nancy have been worth it.
Let me sum up how I see the progression of your wagon. You initially misread the suspicions of Psyche and T3 because you thought they were just fucking around despite them explaining that their votes were real. You do acknowledge this in 46 but your defense involves somewhat explaining your town-reads and then self-voting. When I put you at E-1 you kind of run through the sequence of events but don't offer a real defense. You do post that you
know
what T3's alignment is and that he
knows
yours as well. Either that is you saying that you and T3 are scum or that you are both...masons? Your explanation for this is that you can read T3 so that is how you know he is town. If this is true your first post was
very
poorly worded. If T3 knows your town why is he (eagerly) on your wagon?
Just some thoughts on how things shook out after Grandpa was put at E-1.
1. Kinda repeating myself here but I'm a little thrown by Psyche asking if he should take his vote off Grandpa. That decision is up to him, the act of asking the rest of us seems like clumsily taking an opportunity to demonstrate how pro-town he is.
2. I actually kinda like the response from Grandpa. He's stubborn and unapologetic.
3. Nancy is interesting. After early-game fluff posts she has spent most of her energies admonishing Grandpa for his style of play and informing us early that this is how he has played in the past and was miselimed as a result. It was largely this post that pushed me to vote for Grandpa. I fully and correctly expected Nancy to vote me as a result. I guess my vote was ick. From a town perspective I used to feel the same way regarding early E-1's. So on the one hand Nancy could have town's best interest in mind in trying to prevent an easy mark from being eliminated. On the other she's a frustrated scum who is trying to steer her partner out of a wagon and telling town that the behavior of her partner is nothing to worry about. I think at the moment that I lean towards giving Nancy the benefit of the doubt but it's real close.
In post 101, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I don’t know what to make of Mo here. In the game we played together, he was actually upset by scumreads on him. Here, he acts like he doesn’t really care. He’s the lead wagon at E-1 and he seems to be totally fine with it. Why isn’t he even trying to put up more of a fight?
wha game have u played wit me? what
also -- its because i thought this whole push on me was a meme.
but ig its not?
can ANYONE give me a reason they scumread me?
This started as a RVS vote on me from LunarRest then Psych just voted me along with no reason ( I thought they were meming. look at post 40)
And I townread them for this because I felt like scum would find a hard time trying to figure out how to get in a vote on me, but psych made it look so casual.
They claim my townread on them was artificial because THEY thought it was unfunny to THEM. (ok ignore how i feel then :rollingeyes)
Then they bring up another reason of me shitposting -- But like I already explained everyone was and shit why can't I (also my post 40 wasn't a shitpost since it was a real read)
Then T3 sheeps Psych and say they agree and puts me at E-2.
Then in post 63, they talk about someone else but vote me -- it just felt like a meme vote as well.
These whole sequence of votes just been actual jokes. And that's why I thought it was funny and I thought this whole game was just a giant meme.
But ig not? I am being scumread now for it?
Can anyone give me a SCUMCASE on me OTHER than psyche?
In post 113, GrandpaMo wrote:
also -- its because i thought this whole push on me was a meme.
but ig its not?
I was asking for clarity on this earlier in the game and nobody provided it. It seemed like inside jokes/things not be taking seriously. I know this is a game, but especially in a Newbie it's nice when things are clearly communicated.
Psyche gave you additional reasons for his vote making it no longer an RVS vote. I decided to switch my vote to you mostly because I was unsettled by what I felt was a defense of your odd behavior by Nancy. Also, I like early E-1's. They give a lot of information and IMO are well worth the low risk of a quickhammer. I would say that reactions from you, Psyche, and more notably Nancy have been worth it.
Let me sum up how I see the progression of your wagon. You initially misread the suspicions of Psyche and T3 because you thought they were just fucking around despite them explaining that their votes were real. You do acknowledge this in 46 but your defense involves somewhat explaining your town-reads and then self-voting. When I put you at E-1 you kind of run through the sequence of events but don't offer a real defense. You do post that you
know
what T3's alignment is and that he
knows
yours as well. Either that is you saying that you and T3 are scum or that you are both...masons? Your explanation for this is that you can read T3 so that is how you know he is town. If this is true your first post was
very
poorly worded. If T3 knows your town why is he (eagerly) on your wagon?
I thought my sum up was good enough. This was literally me reading word by word on the iso. I tried to add everything to summarize everything. But I will explain in detail now.
I was asking for clarity on this earlier in the game and nobody provided it. It seemed like inside jokes/things not be taking seriously. I know this is a game, but especially in a Newbie it's nice when things are clearly communicated.
Why do you think I was confused? I thought this whole thing was a joke that everyone had went along with starting with LunarRest.
Psyche gave you additional reasons for his vote making it no longer an RVS vote.
I actually had thought it was a semi-real vote with just the other real part being it to gauge reactions and with the main part it being to joke along with Lunar, this was also emphasized stronger with T3's vote. I had already explained everything about what Psyche has said. Town usually questions -- I never expect a quick vote to E-1 ( I bring a point later on)
I decided to switch my vote to you mostly because I was unsettled by what I felt was a defense of your odd behavior by Nancy.
See, I never knew this. You haven't gave any explicit scumread, you just expected me to assume that's what you meant by that earlier post you made to Nancy. But now you have told me, that is YOUR scumread. Also I don't think it was a defense on my end -- It was just me reiterating stuff I had already said -- since there was literally no new info at that time.
Also, I like early E-1's. They give a lot of information and IMO are well worth the low risk of a quickhammer. I would say that reactions from you, Psyche, and more notably Nancy have been worth it.
Never have them seen before done... hence why I was confuzzled for the most part as if there was a leading progression etc. And now people are using that info to manipulate specific context. I disagree. Early E-1's are a bad way to bring into light for newbie games. Anyone could hammer and heck I could be PR, VT, or scum, but you still wouldn't know for 100 percent and you will have a newbie who may misread or VC, or scum that may pick up on a soft, and just hammer me. Would that make them scummier the next day? Maybe, but that blame could be initially all shifted to the people who BROUGHT me to E-1 in the first place. Shit, it is a newbie game and for all I know they could just play the newbie card and get away with it. This happened in the "Would you like to be my neighbor" game I was in. But not to me, to someone else.
Let me sum up how I see the progression of your wagon. You initially misread the suspicions of Psyche and T3 because you thought they were just fucking around despite them explaining that their votes were real.
I already did for you.. twice actually. And yes, but I also had some back head thoughts spiraling as well.
You do acknowledge this in 46 but your defense involves somewhat explaining your town-reads and then self-voting.
This specific quote feels manipulative. Out of all the posts you chose for my "defense" which wasn't even the defense part, you add that with me self voting and pretend like it was me as scum doing this. You should have linked post 50 where you can see my implied confusion, and my lazy defense there. Reason I say lazy, because I wasn't going to take those votes on me fully seriously yet.
hen I put you at E-1 you kind of run through the sequence of events but don't offer a real defense.
Yes, because there was no scumcase. There were no reasons for a defense. There was no reason to defend. Everything that T3 has said or psyche said, I already explained before. It just felt like a repeat. I gave an outline of events because I felt though, an E-1 early especially with the sequence of events that followed should make me town in your eyes. That's how I feel about it. The only real defense I had to do was explain to Nancy on why I wasn't taking the game seriously -- which I already had did later on.
You do post that you
know
what T3's alignment is and that he
knows
yours as well. Either that is you saying that you and T3 are scum or that you are both...masons? Your explanation for this is that you can read T3 so that is how you know he is town. If this is true your first post was
very
poorly worded. If T3 knows your town why is he (eagerly) on your wagon?
If you look at my original scum, you would see that I said "I am the only one" meaning one person -- this is a two scum person game. Why would I presumptively scumslip with me having the narrative that I was talking about me only. Like I said, that may have been poorly drafted -- and I do apologize. But if you read it literally -- you would understand what it means through what I previously said, context matters here! Why do you think I said that, it's because I said this previously gosh, i know this is so random but i feel like t3 is the msot limmable person in MS" then I proceeded to say >>> "I am the only one that knows his alignment and he knows mine." Why would town!t3 know that it's me scum!grandpa if I did "slip" especially considering T3 kept screaming at me saying I scumslipped.
If T3 knows your town why is he (eagerly) on your wagon?
See quote above regarding this (how does town!t3 know i would be scum as implied in my supposed "scumslip") but honestly, I said this earlier, but I kinda don't like T3 anymore. To answer your question -- they realize I am town after multiple interactions. Look at my recent game where I died and they- Oh wait, I believe that game is still ongoing~!
Well in a game previously, they would ultimately decide to know if I am town or scum eventually after their reads change. For example, in my Aliensitter game, I was scum, and took advantage of them being scummy!town, and proposed a lim on them. (sorry t3-- you probably heard this story like 8 times from me now >,<) butttttt after that T3 townread me, then eventually scumread me towards the end I believe. @t3 u can confirm if this is true. That is one theory, but this is only a theory implying that T3 is town.
Well I hope they are town this game. Or this will probably be another game where I have been pocketed or well swayed by their niceness. I may have bias into townreading them but it's okay. I want to be able to scumread them later on.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
We have 8 days guys, no need to rush anything. Wrt to Mo, I miselimed him in a past game. He could be scum here or limbait. Some people are naturally scummy players. It would be nice if we had some time to actually see he’s really the best elim or not.
He isn’t playing extremely differently here from the game I miselimed him in so I’m wary.
Oh I completely ignored this post -- I thought this was MOD Vc, I was trying to look at where Clark quoted.
And again this has been asked 3 times now, 2 by me and 1 by Clark, what game? pls me is confused
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
Sorry, folks. It was a busy weekend for me so I wasn't particularly active, but I read through the last few pages and I have some thoughts I want to get out there:
In post 62, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
We have 8 days guys, no need to rush anything. Wrt to Mo, I miselimed him in a past game. He could be scum here or limbait. Some people are naturally scummy players. It would be nice if we had some time to actually see he’s really the best elim or not.
He isn’t playing extremely differently here from the game I miselimed him in so I’m wary.
This post suggests town to me. If someone were scum, I don't know if they would be wanting to inject doubt into the primary bus this early on. It could be waffling, but to me the more likely scenario is town trying to play carefully and make sure that they aren't just getting rid of someone who is unlikeable but isn't scum.
The E-1 early on is probably a good thing, because it's the catalyst that is getting people talking (provided no quick-hammer). Without it, I'm not sure people would be talking as much this early on in the game (although I'm not super familiar with how the early games really go usually).
Thoughts on some other players:
@Psyche
Hasn't really posted anything of substance. Hopped on the wagon early (I guess technically started it, was he 2nd vote on Grandpa?) but I feel like RVS doesn't go anywhere without those first few steps. A few jokes, but nothing that can really be analyzed other than #67. Writing that, but not unvoting could be a way of distancing himself from any blame if wagon ends up lynching town. Kind of like a "see, I'm not a scum who was pushing the wagon, I had doubts about it".
@Clarkbar
Contributing more of substance than the others. I buy his reasoning for putting someone to 4 votes, as has been proven, it is a good way to provoke discussion, which gives more information to work with. I don't think there's anything I want to specifically highlight in his posts, he seems to be asking questions and sharing his thoughts, but I don't think there's anything I can see that tells me anything about his particular leanings.
One thing that did strike me was in
@T3
Similar to Psyche in that there wasn't much substance there, just hopping on the wagon and pressing it. Could be Psyche/T3 scum team (can two SEs be mafia in the same game?) but that would be kind of convenient.
@Grandpa
I don't interpret him voting for himself as scummy as you others do. If I could summarize his defense it is: nobody has built a convincing case on me yet and hammering me early cuts off any further discussion for the day, neither of which tell me anything one way or another. I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the day.
@LunarEclipse
Self-deprecation aside, they've had one post of any substance #79. I'm not as convinced as Nancy is that this is a town-leaning post, because I think that assuming someone can't put themselves into the mindset of town just because this is their first game on this forum. I think I need to see more posts from them before I develop any ideas of leaning.
I think that covers everyone so far. For now I think keeping Grandpa as the lead contender for the guillotine is the right move, as they do have an erratic posting style that may cause confusion later in the game, but hopefully there is something more substantive to base a day 1 lynch off of in the next few days, and we haven't yet heard from the two AFK players.
In post 128, GrandpaMo wrote:Why do you think I was confused? I thought this whole thing was a joke that everyone had went along with starting with LunarRest.
I was the one confused. I made a post asking for people to explain what was going on because I was getting lost. It seemed like everyone knew each other and had inside references that were impacting this game in a way I wasn't fully grasping.
In post 128, GrandpaMo wrote:I actually had thought it was a semi-real vote with just the other real part being it to gauge reactions and with the main part it being to joke along with Lunar, this was also emphasized stronger with T3's vote. I had already explained everything about what Psyche has said. Town usually questions -- I never expect a quick vote to E-1 ( I bring a point later on)
Got it, thank you.
In post 128, GrandpaMo wrote:See, I never knew this. You haven't gave any explicit scumread, you just expected me to assume that's what you meant by that earlier post you made to Nancy. But now you have told me, that is YOUR scumread. Also I don't think it was a defense on my end -- It was just me reiterating stuff I had already said -- since there was literally no new info at that time.
Yeah, I was suspicious of your behavior but I wasn't pushing a scum case. I more wanted to see how you and Nancy would react. I used to dislike early E-1's (in my first game I was furious over it) but have come around on them. I understand they aren't popular, but quick hammers are rare, and if it does happen that's a huge red flag on the person responsible. It's a risk, but it can really open things up. I understand your criticisms of the idea.
In post 128, GrandpaMo wrote:Yes, because there was no scumcase. There were no reasons for a defense.
Understood. Thank you for this post, it was helpful.
In post 132, ClarkBar wrote:I was the one confused. I made a post asking for people to explain what was going on because I was getting lost. It seemed like everyone knew each other and had inside references that were impacting this game in a way I wasn't fully grasping.
If you are referencing post 55 you made this with my quote in it. So I will assume that you were talking about me.
I had played with T3 never with Psyche -- but from what it seems other people has.
I thought it was still the "RVS" timeslot, I mean heck, it should have been it's only been page two.
So I just started meming because I thought everyone was.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 131, BlurryX wrote:I think that covers everyone so far. For now I think keeping Grandpa as the lead contender for the guillotine is the right move, as they do have an erratic posting style that may cause confusion later in the game, but hopefully there is something more substantive to base a day 1 lynch off of in the next few days, and we haven't yet heard from the two AFK players.
Okay -- I kinda. Man that just hurt me.
I joined this game to do that. To fix that playstyle of mine by changing my playstyle a bit.
Can you explain what posts I have made that made you think I was in erratic stage?
Can you tell me what's the difference between the series of my posts versus T3's series of posts in the opening game.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 131, BlurryX wrote:The E-1 early on is probably a good thing, because it's the catalyst that is getting people talking (provided no quick-hammer). Without it, I'm not sure people would be talking as much this early on in the game (although I'm not super familiar with how the early games really go usually).
See post above to my dislike on E-1's ^
I mean -- What has it told you @Blurry, can you tell me? Because when it came to my read that you posted about, you haven't said anything other than it being a something you would come back in the future/.
I felt like you could tell way more from the people voting me right now, rather than myself.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 132, ClarkBar wrote:Understood. Thank you for this post, it was helpful.
Can you explain how?
It was clearly written and addressed a multitude of issues. It gave me a really good insight into your thought process and decision making. The point of my vote on you has been met. I think you are kind of a null to very light town read, and certainly shouldn't be at E-1 any longer.
Hey, who do you think is the likeliest scum on your wagon? I know my pick. That said, it would be hilarious if both slots that haven't posted yet are scum.
What game is this? When I look at your topics and Grandpa's topics there are no other common games besides this one.
It was under an alt account which I’d prefer not to out. I’m still leery of his wagon building up that fast. Why would my post - saying att, he hadn’t played too differently and was miselimed, make you want to put him at E -1?
I still don’t know what to make of the whole meme thing but if he’s actually scum here, then his buddy is either choosing to let him hang or straight up bussing.
Mo’s point about being so fast being run up to E - 1, is a good one, because where is the resistance?
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
*******
Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
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Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
I lean to likely at least one scum on Mo wagon. Don’t think it’s Lunar or probably not Clark anymore.
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
*******
Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
*******
Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
What game is this? When I look at your topics and Grandpa's topics there are no other common games besides this one.
It was under an alt account which I’d prefer not to out. I’m still leery of his wagon building up that fast. Why would my post - saying att, he hadn’t played too differently and was miselimed, make you want to put him at E -1?
I still don’t know what to make of the whole meme thing but if he’s actually scum here, then his buddy is either choosing to let him hang or straight up bussing.
Mo’s point about being so fast being run up to E - 1, is a good one, because where is the resistance?
hm i probably have an idea of what you are talking bout -- but i will refrain from saying anything just in case.
i mean yea -- its there, i explained, and now taking the votes on me very serious and everything else as well
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 132, ClarkBar wrote:Understood. Thank you for this post, it was helpful.
Can you explain how?
It was clearly written and addressed a multitude of issues. It gave me a really good insight into your thought process and decision making. The point of my vote on you has been met. I think you are kind of a null to very light town read, and certainly shouldn't be at E-1 any longer.
Hey, who do you think is the likeliest scum on your wagon? I know my pick. That said, it would be hilarious if both slots that haven't posted yet are scum.
this is like the nicest thing i have ever read in a long time -- after multiple people coming at me for having posts not being able to understand or just not comprehend. i am trying. and i hope u see im trying to adapt a good non toxic playstyle. i apperciate it a lot.
better not be scum>:(
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
I lean to likely at least one scum on Mo wagon. Don’t think it’s Lunar or probably not Clark anymore.
you also had said psyche was leaning town for you. idk if lunar was voting me.
but if they were, then t3 is just left. does that mean you imply t3 is the scum on my wagon?
i also agree as i said previously. i do think there is probable scum on my wagon. i just dont know who rn
also @clark this should answer the question -- ik its a weak response, i will give more detailed analysis tmr regarding my wagon - and possible scum. since those were like lazy written tired laid back posts
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
I lean to likely at least one scum on Mo wagon. Don’t think it’s Lunar or probably not Clark anymore.
you also had said psyche was leaning town for you. idk if lunar was voting me.
but if they were, then t3 is just left. does that mean you imply t3 is the scum on my wagon?
i also agree as i said previously. i do think there is probable scum on my wagon. i just dont know who rn
I liked that he expressed concern at your wagon being at E-1 but then he didn’t unvote, so idk. We still have a confirmed slot that hasn’t yet posted.
Well, I liked Clark unvoting you and I thought that Lunar seemed to believe what he was saying. According to what you’ve been alleging, T3 is supposed to be good at reading you, so if you’re town, then that probably doesn’t look great for him.
I think until we hear from WS, I don’t want to assume more than one yet. Has T3 ever wrongly sr you before?
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
*******
Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
*******
Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
I lean to likely at least one scum on Mo wagon. Don’t think it’s Lunar or probably not Clark anymore.
you also had said psyche was leaning town for you. idk if lunar was voting me.
but if they were, then t3 is just left. does that mean you imply t3 is the scum on my wagon?
i also agree as i said previously. i do think there is probable scum on my wagon. i just dont know who rn
also @clark this should answer the question -- ik its a weak response, i will give more detailed analysis tmr regarding my wagon - and possible scum. since those were like lazy written tired laid back posts
You’re posting is sounding more like that game we played now, I’m leaning to you being likely miselimbait. However, it’s reckless to put anyone higher than E-2, which is why I miselimed bugspray.
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
*******
Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
*******
Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
