FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over

[Servant Beast]

Saber, Berserker, Assassin.

When you're scum hunting would you say you identify scum more often than average?

[Servant Caster]

I mean, they are in my town reads for a lot of the same reasons I think they would make a good town leader.

The way they have been interacting with other slots feels like they are trying to sort people, and as a plus, a lot of our reads are lining up, so it is easier for me to believe they are genuine reads without ulterior motive.

I also find think that it is more likely for him to be town over Saber or Assassin because they are not so focused on convincing people they should be the master choice based purely on mech. Mech reasons to be the Master choice are super easy to fake.

I liked that they pointed us in the direction of Cabd's post describing how he would suggest town choose a town leader - I trust cabd's thinking in general, so I think that it was pro town to try and get town to consider that angle. I personally had not read that before, and was glad to see it pointed out.

I disagree with a lot of what is written here.

First off I didn't like the way they presented Cabd's post in the postgame of the last FGO. It's designed to look helpful but really it's agenda-based since the ultimate conclusion was "You should pick me to be Master because I'm charismatic" I know he didn't say as much in the post but it's ultimately how it played out.

I don't believe their interaction with other slots has been genuinely sorting in nature. I find a lot of the questions he's asked to be pointless and I feel it's more of a sign of scum posturing/trying to look involved than coming from a place of genuine town curiosity.

Saying that Berserker is more likely than A/S because he is not as focused on Mech is just simply not true. There's no reason for a town player not to be intensely focussed on mech, especially if they truly believe their ability can be rather helpful if used early.

You say a lot of your reads are lining up with Berserker, however he's only expressed three townreads, one of which happens to be yourself. Neither of you have really expressed anything about scum-reads so it's somewhat hard for me to believe you are townreading him on read-sync on such a small number of TRs.

[Servant Assassin]

As a note about the miller claim, my ability is more complicated than "select target - learn alignment". It will however produce an 100% effective un-counterable cop result.

[Servant Alter Ego]

I believe Saber's claim and I don't want the scum team to derail it with a less optimal choice.

I'm actually only town reading Saber, Me, and lancer right now. I'm pretty conservative and skeptical. But I don't have any serious scum reads unfortunately. I don't see any red flags.

This is incongruous to me. The first post is implying you believe attempts to derail the vote on Saber are a scum-led plot, but in the second post you claim to not have serious scum reads. Surely if you believed the "derailing" of saber's wagon was being done by scum, you could name names?

Alter is another player that is very clearly not the type to listen to others. They're off solvin' and that's fine if detrimental and unlikely to be very accurate.

This is not really how I'd describe my style at all - I prefer collaborating with my strong town reads, it helps to clarify my thoughts and see the flaws in my own thinking. I definitely prefer to be more of a supporting player.

You seem to be taking a lot of snarky potshots at people.

[Servant Berserker]

You seem very critical of everyone else. Why is that?

I'm fairly critical of myself and I don't really get why you think you should get this grail over another town player who comes off as pretty genuine. You're colder and harder to read.

I don’t townread Saber, and think playing solely around the mechanics is misguided, as I’ve already said.

How can I help you read me better?

Pedit-?
My accuracy depends on the style of game I’m playing. This style is my most accurate. I do well in my other styles too, but this type of game does a lot to help cover my weaknesses.

[Servant Beast]

You prefer collaborating with people you get along with. Those were your own words.

[Servant Alter Ego]

You prefer collaborating with people you get along with. Those were your own words.

Now you're just trying to be an asshole by twisting my words. I'm not sure what the point of it is supposed to be.

[Servant Saber]

When you're scum hunting would you say you identify scum more often than average?

My scumhunting prowess is largely dependent on the environment I get and my own personal life.

My townhunting is where it's at.

[Servant Saber]

Why should I want to give Saber the master? Something that is not about mechanics.

@Beast

[Servant Beast]

If I think Saber is town, but I'm not so sure about others how exactly is that incongruous? did you think that through?
Anybody less town than saber is suspect to me. Just because I can't say that one and that one is scum doesn't mean I can't read the traffic and think "yeah, I don't think the scum team wants this guy to get he grail"

[Servant Beast]

You prefer collaborating with people you get along with. Those were your own words.

Now you're just trying to be an asshole by twisting my words. I'm not sure what the point of it is supposed to be.

Please don't call other people assholes.

[Servant Beast]

I think you're forward and clear and genuine. I think you're relatively easier to read and I don't see an agenda.
You've twice pointed to people that voted you and said "they could be scum" when you need their support to benefit the town.
It's earnest and I think you've been forthright with every player you spoken with.

[Servant Assassin]

When you're scum hunting would you say you identify scum more often than average?

I'd like to think so, although my more confident reads are townreads that generally fall on town.

[Servant Beast]

If you guys all think you're above average. None of you are.

[Servant Archer]

You say a lot of your reads are lining up with Berserker, however he's only expressed three townreads, one of which happens to be yourself. Neither of you have really expressed anything about scum-reads so it's somewhat hard for me to believe you are townreading him on read-sync on such a small number of TRs.

Well for starters, that is not the only reason I am townreading him. I am also town reading him for all of the reasons you apparently disagree with. You are welcome to disagree with my reasons, but that does not make them suddenly stop being my reasons --- so it is strange to see you boiling my read down to just this.

Also, my top reads atm are: Alter Ego, Berserker, Lancer -- then you
Berserkers stated town reads are : "Archer, Lancer, Egos all" "caster seems town."

Of the 3 people campainging for master, I am currently most suspicious of Assassin - something else I feel Berserker has commented on

And just in general, I find myself agreeing with most of berserkers posts

And yeah, that factored into my read, but it was also all of the other things I mentioned.

[Servant Beast]

That was a math joke.

[Servant Berserker]

Yes, we all remember the plot of the Incredibles. Thank you for elaborating on your Saber read, I’m going to go take a look.

Pedit-
I thought you used to be Incrediboy or something.

[Servant Berserker]

I did agree with the skepticism about moon upon review, and forgot it was Saber who asked me about my Caster read. I’d definitely put them in the lean town arena, thinking about it now.

[Servant Beast]

My initial impression of moon cancer was that their reads were too controversial to come from scum. But it wasn't a strong feeling.

[Servant Archer]

First off I didn't like the way they presented Cabd's post in the postgame of the last FGO. It's designed to look helpful but really it's agenda-based since the ultimate conclusion was "You should pick me to be Master because I'm charismatic" I know he didn't say as much in the post but it's ultimately how it played out.

Did you read Cabd's post? Because one thing that stood out to me, is that he makes the argument that mastering the most charismatic person is the right play, even if it turns out to be scum. Because, if you focus on choosing the most charismatic person, you are either going to end up with a good town leader, or you are going to eliminate one of scums strongest member.

He also explains why the scum team would prefer a non-charasmatic player vote - because, then the town will either end up with a bad team leader, or if they manage to get a scum player voted, they are losing a weaker player while still gaining the full benefit.

Berserker has already swayed like 5~6 people into thinking he is a good choice for leader - and he is squarely in my town reads. So yeah, he is my top choice, either I am right, and we successfully give a townie who I think would do a good job as leader the master, OR I am wrong, and I am not going to start Day in scum's pocket.

Saying that Berserker is more likely than A/S because he is not as focused on Mech is just simply not true. There's no reason for a town player not to be intensely focussed on mech, especially if they truly believe their ability can be rather helpful if used early.

I never said that town would not care about mech. I said that mech is the easy path for scum.
So, i am not scum reading Saber/Assassin because they are interested in mech, but I am town reading berserker because he is not.

[Servant Berserker]

That thought also crossed my mind. I’m still waiting for them to continue the line of questioning with Egos, because I felt like their read on me in particular felt somewhat flimsy.

[Servant Caster]

I never said that town would not care about mech. I said that mech is the easy path for scum.
So, i am not scum reading Saber/Assassin because they are interested in mech, but I am town reading berserker because he is not.

Why is the lack of mech-interest AI for you?

It seems to me that it's easier for a scum to completely ignore the mechanical angle of their NP to get to be Master rather than actually faking enthusiasm in terms of their NP.

One of the first things I considered in this game was whether my NP is strong enough for me to charisma my way into getting Master'd. I read my NP and thought about it and it was fairly easy for me to make the decision that it's not strong enough for me to try to become Master'd.

You're saying it's a townie perspective to not care about the mech of your NP, why?

[Servant Archer]

I never said that town would not care about mech

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I said that mech is the easy path for scum.
So, i am not scum reading Saber/Assassin because they are interested in mech, but I am town reading berserker because he is not.

Why is the lack of mech-interest AI for you?

It seems to me that it's easier for a scum to completely ignore the mechanical angle of their NP to get to be Master rather than actually faking enthusiasm in terms of their NP.

One of the first things I considered in this game was whether my NP is strong enough for me to charisma my way into getting Master'd. I read my NP and thought about it and it was fairly easy for me to make the decision that it's not strong enough for me to try to become Master'd.

You're saying it's a townie perspective to not care about the mech of your NP, why?

For some reason, I get the feeling that you are not actually reading my posts all that closely lol

I am also getting the feeling that you are getting a bit tunneled on me, and I no longer think that having a back and forth with you over this topic will benefit the thread in anyway, and is just taking up our post limit.

Spoiler:

I also don't even really know why you scum read me - other then the fact that I ignored your early scum read on me lol

[Servant Caster]

"but I am town reading berserker because he is not."

= I am townreading Berserker because he does not care about Mech.

[Servant Caster]

I am also getting the feeling that you are getting a bit tunneled on me, and I no longer think that having a back and forth with you over this topic will benefit the thread in anyway, and is just taking up our post limit.

Well since Berserker is a serious candidate to be Master'd and him turning as Mafia could have pretty dire consequences for town if we are T/T here, I think it makes sense for us to have this discussion over our differing viewpoints on whether Berserker is town or mafia.

I'm currently at 43/75 posts allocated to me for this game phase which is a bit over half and I would definitely make my posts longer and less back/forthy when I get to the 60s.

As for your other question about why I initially scum-read you; it has to do with your entrance; it felt fake and performative to me:

19 is where you answer your own question about why you wouldn't want to be master'd - I didn't like how you laid out things, it feels to me almost like you want people to town-read you for how much you don't want to be master'd and don't want the town leadership position.

this phrase in particular pinged me:

"Currently looking for someone to come ObvTown for me, so I can vote them lol"

It feels like something that's just pointlessly added on at the end and performative - not an actual thing that people state.. and then the "lol" like why?

You state you don't want to be town leader but your stances throughout the day as it unfolds have been very agenda-y; you don't seem like the type that enjoys deferring to other people.

Your reconsideration on your Saber vote felt very strange to me, vote -> unvote -> then asking a question, it feels like tactical re-consideration rather than read re-consideration. The difference being that I think scum tend to have more likelihood to regret their votes quickly rather than town because scum are considerate of positioning whereas town take more thought imo into making the correct choices. I feel you are making an impulsive vote on Saber and then regretting it.

117 feels like you are trying to get Ego/Beast to be at each other's throats.

I have serious concerns about your "Master Preference";

You began by voting Saber, then unvoting Saber afterwards.

You ask Ego if Ego would like to be Master after Ego had a few townreads thrown at Ego,

You say that Assassin is a better choice for Master over Saber by Mech.

The first time you mention Berserker's name with any kind of read is to say in 247 that you would want him to be master'd - previously the only mention of berserker in your ISO I could find was a question that you asked of him, so it's kind of weirdly unnatural the way you approach his slot for me.