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[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like all I learned yesterday is that S&M are probtown and I dont want to tunnel again

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma what are your reads?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Reading your iso I feel like I'm listening to a sports commentator who is filling a lull in the action by having unrelated conversations with his co-caster

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Gamma

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Only everyone is your co-caster

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The one time you felt "in the game" was around when you voted me and that felt a little wrong at the time, felt like you should have been able to read me, which is why I posted in bold about it in one of my walls with S&M

[mastina]

It's reasonable to think the vfp e-1 wagon could have been all town, but all town wagons happen on town sometimes.

Sure they do! But,
1: there's good reasons for VFP to be scum both from D1 and N1 which are factors absent from other players in the game meaning that there's actually tangible evidence that paints him as very likely scum, and,
2: Even if there weren't, POE is a bitch--if VFP isn't scum, then who is? It fundamentally

cannot

be Smoke and Mirrors. It is basically impossible to be Something_Smart. It's similarly hard for me to see you as scum. marcistar looks town and has been hard hard hard vouched by multiple members including dead town as this being her as town, meaning it's not her. And it's not me.

Which would leave {VFP, Cupcake Butterfly, imaginality, Gamma Emerald}--and two of those four were on the D1 scum wagon. The other two were not. And as an aside, I believe Gamma's content here to be indicative of him being town.

I was actually preparing my lim and already placed what I have on the ninja.

What you have? So you have a number other than 500? Meaning that you took one of

cop - [REDACTED]
doctor - 250
hitman 426
roleblocker - 410

1-shot Auction Detective 300
2-shot Auction Detective 450
2-shot Watcher 500

These?

As in, hitman, roleblocker, a doctor not saving Distance last night, an auction detective, or the watcher?

Do forgive me if I call "scumfuck" to that.

Because if any of those roles were picked up by you and you were town, you'd have claimed them and made use of them better than this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading your iso I feel like I'm listening to a sports commentator who is filling a lull in the action by having unrelated conversations with his co-caster

can you explain what this means because as I see it that's just my style

[Gamma Emerald]

If Gamma doesnt move off of me and I end up eliminated today, I urge you all to review 2213 and seriously consider Gamma's reasoning for voting me.

is this what you mean by the thing you posted in your wall earlier?
Why does it not feel like you cared to do anything about this until now?

[mastina]

Unfortunately that 500 is like 99% likely to have been a scum bid because no competent townie would've bet their entire savings on Watcher and then NOT have watched Distance

How did you even know this was the case? Not everyone had posted yet.

Well I didn't, but I made a fairly safe assumption--if someone after I had posted that had claimed watcher with a guilty? I'd be elated to have been proven wrong. But it looks like I was right, because it was a safe assumption to have been made, given the bet of 500. The maximum amount a townie can bid, then the obvious nightkill is nightkilled, I had a high bid on Watcher but not

that

high, I didn't get it, none of the people posting before me indicated they were a watcher with a guilty, all of that adds up to a fairly safe assumption that we don't have a watcher with a guilty.

So I didn't know, but I made a fairly reasonable guess, that happened to be accurate, because it was a reasonably safe assumption to be made.

[marcistar]

Which would leave {VFP, Cupcake Butterfly, imaginality, Gamma Emerald}--and two of those four were on the D1 scum wagon. The other two were not. And as an aside, I believe Gamma's content here to be indicative of him being town.

i kinda think imaginality is town because of

Re. my posts and my bid, I encouraged town to bid high because I want us to keep scum from getting powers that are useful to us and I think getting powers early is better than late. The reason I bid 90 should be obvious.

but then im at a big "???" moment rn.. i think cupcake is town as well.

i don't know gamma emeralds meta, so i cant rule them out.
so its between vfp / something_smart / gamma emerald for me.
embarrassingly enough, i agree with ssbm_kyouko about gamma emerald not really voicing reads. they've just really went with the flow of things and replied to stuff and sused people as it came along, but i dont really see much of a moment of them placing down something solid and sticking to it.
571 1023 i dont think it would be out of the question for scum to be defending each other right now. i think scum could be scared to 1vall it at this point LOL

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If Gamma doesnt move off of me and I end up eliminated today, I urge you all to review 2213 and seriously consider Gamma's reasoning for voting me.

is this what you mean by the thing you posted in your wall earlier?
Why does it not feel like you cared to do anything about this until now?

Cuz I haven't, I've been tunneled and I feel like i cant remember anybody else paying attention to you except to say you're town for being on the kitty wagon - and that's a reasonable assumption, but idk you seem quiet. I did try to find some of our old games and maybe this is nai or town for you, but I think you need some attention from someone just in case

[VFP]

What you have? So you have a number other than 500? Meaning that you took one of

No I bid 500 exactly, what I have. It's interesting that you built another narrative to suit though. Maybe you should think about that for a moment.


Also can we talk about SSBM backing off now because I called them out as scum?
Without my flip there's no merit to what I'm saying about them swapping wagons and still being alive.
What town minded player sits there with comments like "VFP is scum" or "Caught for the wrong reasons" to just vote else where?
Let's just think about that one for a second.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Oops, clicked submit too soon.

Re. my posts and my bid, I encouraged town to bid high because I want us to keep scum from getting powers that are useful to us and I think getting powers early is better than late. The reason I bid 90 should be obvious.

I find the fact scum didn't hide any of the bids yesterday interesting. Makes me wonder if they bid 500 on watcher early in an attempt to appear town when they claim it later. On the flip side if town got watcher it would be one reason for the relatively unexpected Distance NK - avoid being watched.

Yeah but you only bid 90 for a 1-shot AD, so why? You kept beseeching town to blow their collective wad but you only bid a paltry 90 and you accused me of hypocrisy in your previous post.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Smoke And Mirrors - Something_Smart - Cupcake Butterfly - Gamma Emerald - ssbm_Kyouko

No way the cyrus wagon is all town.
VOTE: Something_Smart

Will reread the others tomorrow (evening here) but happy to continue my vote on SS for now.

What a shocker, you and VFP both voting S_S. Totally didn’t see that coming.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

The only town read Distance pushed hard was marci. And Distance's final post was a willingness to elim anyone not on the Kitty wagon. So I think if there's an additional reason for the Distance kill it will be that someone who read Distance as town wants extra credit for that read.

I’m sure Distance actually voting VFP had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it.

or that he townlocked everyone on that wagon. Us and Gamma are probably next.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

No way the cyrus wagon is all town.

The cyrus wagon was a joke.

S_S wagon was/is a joke since I have meta on him and this is his town game but continue to ignore that, Both you and Imaginality are.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Distance has died ! they were a [/color]

Vanilla Townie

For the record I made a pretty damn high bid (but not 500) on Watcher because I was intending to watch Distance.

Unfortunately that 500 is like 99% likely to have been a scum bid because no competent townie would've bet their entire savings on Watcher and then NOT have watched Distance so the 1% is someone being idiotic enough to spend all of their money on that role and yet be blind enough to not realize that literally nobody else was going to be the N2 nightkill. (Because, yes. To be clear. If you didn't realize Distance was the kill last night the way I did and you bid that much on Watcher--you're an idiot. It's literally inexcusable to pick up that role and then blunder that badly by not watching the obvious nightkill because Distance WAS that obviously the nightkill. But most likely, 500 = scum bid.)

For that matter?

Either the 2x doctor is dead, scum, or incompetent--same reason as the above. Someone spent 250 on that role and it was 2x so they had a protection available last night. Not protecting Distance is inexcusable as a doctor, so very likely either they're dead or scum. (To reiterate again, literally nobody was more likely to be nightkilled than Distance, and you can use sheer basic fundamental logic to track why. On the D1 scum wagon, imaginality had suspicion on him for his terrible D2 pushes so he wasn't going to die; Smoke and Mirrors had terrible suspicion on them D2 so they weren't going to die; Gamma Emerald I recall having reason to think Gamma wouldn't die; VFP as the scumfuck he is certainly wasn't going to die; Something_Smart with the suspicion his slot had wasn't going to die; Cupcake Butterfly definitely wasn't going to die; ssbm was heavily suspected by Smoke and Mirrors so wasn't going to die; imaginality's shitpush on me meant I wasn't going to die. Of these, the only one I can't remember strongly is Gamma Emerald but between Gamma Emerald and Distance the choice for the N2 nightkill was very very very obviously Distance here so neither the doctor nor the watcher targeting Distance means they're either dead, scum, or incompetent; those are the only three options available and given the size of the bids, dead or scum are the most likely.)

But I digress.

VOTE: VFP

Back to doing this, which is what we

should

have done yesterday.

I’m voting the other scum but definitely not opposed.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I don’t have the kinds of interactions with a buddy that I had with Kitty. I don’t understand how anyone in the playerlist reading those interactions could possibly think they’re SvS.

I mean, yes, that too--it's not just the Pooky half the townread comes from. You're very obviously town by play here, too, Nancy, but in my opinion a 100% guaranteed to be accurate to the point of being a borderline trust tell (it's technically not one but is very close to being one with how damn strong a tell it is) for Pooky's meta is better, harder evidence of your slot being town than you being town.

But yes, it's both heads being town for separate reasons, rather than just one.

If she were lost or had little input, why are so many slots conftown to her?

Again, the two are not mutually exclusive as you have said them to be.

Why would she focus on a scumread that is already universally suspected (VFP) without really being in contact with VFP to deduce an alignment directly?

I'll be blunt.

I didn't read the end of D1.

I didn't even look at the end of D1 wagon aside from seeing the four votes on scum--I legit didn't know there were votes on VFP at all until well after D2 had started and people asked me about VFP vs the scum.

I had zero awareness of VFP suspicion.

I also didn't give a damn.

Because I have my own, individually generated, separate, reasons for believing VFP is scum, generated from basic premises and the logical conclusions to be reached from them.

The D1 wagon on scum went through with only four votes. That makes the players on the wagon much much much less likely to be scum. There's ways for the players on the wagon to be scum--intent to distance not realizing plurality blitz deadlines mean the distancing was lethal (first two votes), or deliberately deciding to bus for the towncred (last two votes). But more likely is just that the votes were town.

Mistyx is both a player whose contributions looked town to me, and whose replacement has also looked town to me, and whose slot has overall been highly town, with the players townreading the slot also being ones I by and large trust, with them townreading the slot for reasons either similar to mine or different but positively augmenting mine. Even were I to doubt my own read there, trusting their reads makes me trust them to be town.

ssbm is similarly a player whose contributions look town to me, their mechanical choice N1 was incredibly pro-town, and who others have thought to be town for fairly good, compelling reasons.

While I know that objectively I fit the profile for scum fairly well (I would consider Flea a threat and could make that kill N1; I did not realize this game had plurality and didn't remember it was a blitz game; I wasn't on the D1 scum wagon), I obviously know that I am town and that in spite of the objective reasons it could be me, know that it isn't me.

Which limits the pool down to, per cyrus's death, three names: {VFP, Cupcake Butterfly, marcistar}.

In those three names, VFP seems by far the most likely to be scum just by gamestate and by the N1 kill on Flea.

Given marcistar doesn't look like scum and that you do, that leads to the conclusion of VFP + Cupcake Butterfly.

You and CB are TvT.

Kitty/Imaginality/VFP are the team. Just re-ISO Imaginality, the associatives with VFP are through the freaking roof. *sigh*

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Did Imaginality perspective slip with the bolded?

I rate it a non-zero possibility

\o/ Someone other than Pooky is actually listening to me. If we yeet one of Imaginality/VFP today and the other one tomorrow, we’re 100% winning this.

[VFP]

No way the cyrus wagon is all town.

The cyrus wagon was a joke.

S_S wagon was/is a joke since I have meta on him and this is his town game but continue to ignore that, Both you and Imaginality are.

You have meta? Ah shit I guess it's mod confirmed.
Nice try though. You will be towns down fall this game.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

13 posts in a row?

I'm not going to be able to keep up on quantity with you today, that's just nuts.

Here's some brief responses:

The comment you bolded and 'dafuq'ed was simply me observing that there wasn't much solid reasoning in the VFP wagon votes so as I saw it, if VFP flipped town the wagoners would be right more by chance than by brilliant deduction.

Your theory that Flea's comment gives me reason to kill Flea is hypocritical when you argued Flea's comment to Nancy wasn't a reason for you to kill Flea.

Ahem. First of all, caught for the wrong reasons (assuming you meant "if VFP flipped

scum

...")

As for the next point, I dont think this is hypocritical. The comments from flea aren't similar enough to constitute hypocrisy here.

Even if they were, this is a hydra slot and nancy argued the first point, and it seems you think you're addressing pooky here, so I dont think it's a fair assessment regardless of the content of the comments by flea

Distance has died ! they were a [/color]

Vanilla Townie

For the record I made a pretty damn high bid (but not 500) on Watcher because I was intending to watch Distance.

Unfortunately that 500 is like 99% likely to have been a scum bid because no competent townie would've bet their entire savings on Watcher and then NOT have watched Distance so the 1% is someone being idiotic enough to spend all of their money on that role and yet be blind enough to not realize that literally nobody else was going to be the N2 nightkill. (Because, yes. To be clear. If you didn't realize Distance was the kill last night the way I did and you bid that much on Watcher--you're an idiot. It's literally inexcusable to pick up that role and then blunder that badly by not watching the obvious nightkill because Distance WAS that obviously the nightkill. But most likely, 500 = scum bid.)

For that matter?

Either the 2x doctor is dead, scum, or incompetent--same reason as the above. Someone spent 250 on that role and it was 2x so they had a protection available last night. Not protecting Distance is inexcusable as a doctor, so very likely either they're dead or scum. (To reiterate again, literally nobody was more likely to be nightkilled than Distance, and you can use sheer basic fundamental logic to track why. On the D1 scum wagon, imaginality had suspicion on him for his terrible D2 pushes so he wasn't going to die; Smoke and Mirrors had terrible suspicion on them D2 so they weren't going to die; Gamma Emerald I recall having reason to think Gamma wouldn't die; VFP as the scumfuck he is certainly wasn't going to die; Something_Smart with the suspicion his slot had wasn't going to die; Cupcake Butterfly definitely wasn't going to die; ssbm was heavily suspected by Smoke and Mirrors so wasn't going to die; imaginality's shitpush on me meant I wasn't going to die. Of these, the only one I can't remember strongly is Gamma Emerald but between Gamma Emerald and Distance the choice for the N2 nightkill was very very very obviously Distance here so neither the doctor nor the watcher targeting Distance means they're either dead, scum, or incompetent; those are the only three options available and given the size of the bids, dead or scum are the most likely.)

But I digress.

VOTE: VFP

Back to doing this, which is what we

should

have done yesterday.

I think I've changed my mind on you. I'll give your vfp case a reread.

It really is Imaginality/VFP Everyone else is town. They are so obviously buddies.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Oops, clicked submit too soon.

Re. my posts and my bid, I encouraged town to bid high because I want us to keep scum from getting powers that are useful to us and I think getting powers early is better than late. The reason I bid 90 should be obvious.

I find the fact scum didn't hide any of the bids yesterday interesting. Makes me wonder if they bid 500 on watcher early in an attempt to appear town when they claim it later. On the flip side if town got watcher it would be one reason for the relatively unexpected Distance NK - avoid being watched.

90 specifically? That seems a bit weird

Yes, exactly which wouldn’t in itself be sus except he made several posts bitching and complaing about town not bidding enough. Meanwhile, he was saving most of his pennies for later.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

For the record, this has nothing with voting me or scum reading me otherwise I'd have argued before.

I was actually preparing my lim and already placed what I have on the ninja.
But before I go, I'm going to officially put me and SSBM into guaranteed scum within us.
I'll look through later and say as I need to but oh boy is that slip up actually pretty big here!

I’m not voting anyone today outside of you/Imaginality because I think he’s town.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

VOTE: SSBM

don't run away from me! You fake meta scum user >:|

God, this sounds so fake.