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[humaneatingmonkey]

I wouldn't surgest read list till d2 here it would just give scum more to work with.

cyrus I will nominate you for in the Scummies 2021. You are a true Paragon of Mafia Hunters.

[cyrus62]

I wouldn't surgest read list till d2 here it would just give scum more to work with.

cyrus I will nominate you for in the Scummies 2021. You are a true Paragon of Mafia Hunters.

well I'm mostly saying that cause out of 16 players I only have 4 town reads. A few scum leans and one of my scum leans has proven to be more town like then I thought .

[cyrus62]

I wouldn't surgest read list till d2 here it would just give scum more to work with.

cyrus I will nominate you for in the Scummies 2021. You are a true Paragon of Mafia Hunters.

well I'm mostly saying that cause out of 16 players I only have 4 town reads. A few scum leans and one of my scum leans has proven to be more town like then I thought .

[cyrus62]

I wouldn't surgest read list till d2 here it would just give scum more to work with.

cyrus I will nominate you for in the Scummies 2021. You are a true Paragon of Mafia Hunters.

well I'm mostly saying that cause out of 16 players I only have 4 town reads. A few scum leans and one of my scum leans has proven to be more town like then I thought .

[cyrus62]

Wow how did I post 3times that fast

[cyrus62]

I got post 777 which proves I'm good other wise I would have post 666.

[cyrus62]

Hem we need to talk after this game I have a good role for you.u

[humaneatingmonkey]

am i being cast in a movie

[cyrus62]

A recent game.

lol this proves t3 is scum he got post 666. Lol

[cyrus62]

am i being cast in a movie

no it's a theme game I'm working on ,

[cyrus62]

am i being cast in a movie

No it's a theme game I'm working on. The role fits you. I wanted former fish to play it but he's not been around.

[Elsa Jay]

List in player order of post 0. My readlist.

T3: he counterclaimed me but since we know literally nothing elsa I'm okay waiting till day 2 to deal with that. Could just be neighborizor is common enough for a reason. Null for now.

Almost: he told me to shut up earlier about defending Kitty and I wish I listened. Null at the moment purely because he's probably waiting till day 2 or 3 too make his move

Gamma: honestly big townread for stirring the pot enough. Even if he doubts me, he's playing to town meta.

Cyrus: compared the the last time I saw him he actually seems more insane. Funnily enough that might be a towntell.

Titus: wanted to instantly townread her but it feels like she just... Took me as sus and went with it? She should know better. I expected more of her by now. Scumlean.

Lucifer: getting replaced so no read.

Dunn: stuck with a gutread on me in the first few pages and isn't looking anywhere elsa either like Titus. Expected better but he seems more committed to me dying so null.

Action: doesn't know me well so I forgive him for thinking I'm scum. Still actually trying to solve me too. Town lean. Oh and
@Dan: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86090
There's my last Elsa scum game. Also the one with Kitty in it.

Kitty: a non prescence now that I took the heat off of him. Turned on me immediately as well. I was stupid so now he feels safe. Scummy.

Nero: felt in the background but he's okay with my death too it seems. Last time I played him I think he was scum and did jack day 1. So considering he's solving a bit, nulltown.

Testarossa: earlier said the strongest scumlean was T3 but now seems chill with him? Dunno. If she's a quiet person or just busy it's null. If she's normally active maybe scumlean? Feels more gutsy.

Andre: new phone who dis? Literally nothing here so null.

Math: don't like he voted me after claim but he probably is just siding with HEM's logic here. Beforehand he's been pretty town, so town.

Lecerint: biggest defender of me, ironically. Don't think he's scum pocketing me either considering it seems likely atm I die. Still working on changing that but town.

HEM: The big guy. Frankly if I think about it, he's not really scumreading me because of my actions. He just doesn't understand my style at all. If that's the case, might actually be town. If faking that and just is trying to kill me for easy day 1, obviously scum. But the first seems more likely to me now.

Nom: been on me too but is active enough to generate discussion. Town lean.

That list... Wasn't as helpful as I wanted it but I got soaked running home in the rain and I'm sleepy so I'm posting the beta now. Ftr my nulls could be more passive scum.

[KittyTacky]

I was quiet because I was busy you tomato.

There's this complete clumsiness coming from both parties that just makes me feel this is two scums that found themselves duking it out in the middle of day 1
pedit: I haven't given this game a thorough reread if that's what you're asking me
However I feel a bit happier about a few slots from recent interactions

I'm town, I'm just honestly confused by Elsa doing... this.

Ummm not a fan of 636 and I don't think Titus is being angry?

Oh yeah. It's a terrible take. cyrus is still town.

I don't see how he's such blatant town. Null at best.

I read through the isos of you and elsa in the game you linked Iec. The only thing I can say for sure is that each set of posts from him are all equally vapid. I'd need a scum game of his to compare to see if there's any noticeable difference there. This is where you come in @Almost, hit me up

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86090

Personally I am reconsidering things. I got off the ELsa wagon and didn't know where else I want to vote. There are a few "missing slots" who may appear on the VC but not actually in-thread

Iecerint, LuciferMorningStar, Testarossa?

Can we discuss something other than meta? Thanks.

The way Elsa tries to dismantle their wagon by creating different reasons they're being wagoned to try to paint the wagon as bad is scummy

Aside from that, they just don't feel towny

I'll say 100 reasons why your wrong if it means I live. I can't feel townie if I don't get to play my town games past day 1. Scum is my default mindset RN. I'm trying to get out of it.

Seeing as theirs 4 days left I'll be more honest too so I have all my chips on the table. And unlike normal where you can call me a liar, it's easy to call me out on it.

I'm a 1-shot neighborizor. Not even loyal or anything. I just pick a person and make a PT with them. If it helps, the Mod doesn't use the American version and instead uses 'Neighbourizor'. With a U. You all can even pick a target for me if you want.

I'm sorry I fucked up day 1. But it ain't me.

Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

I AM HARDCLAIMING PR. FROM THE INFORMATION I KNOW ELSA IS VERY LIKELY A SCUM NEIGHBORIZER

Might as well come out in full, you now have a scum target on your back and town doesn't have enough info on you.

But it's not a hardclaim...? What's your role, what are you talking about, etc.?

Based on my role (which I don't want to say rn) Elsa is very likely a mafia neighborizer.

T3, how can we gauge this information if you won't even tell us how you got this information?

Actually you know what it's fine.

I'm 2-shot neighborizer.

Nevermind, that's a counterclaim.

Can we trust that you're not fakeclaiming to push through an elimination.

It doesn't matter, if Elsa is town he hang T3 tomorrow. It's a simple tactic. 1 for 1.

There is no way I believe T3 makes a move like this as scum. Never.
I happen to be wrong sometimes but T3 just doesn't strike me as someone who makes yoloclaims like this as scum.

Now T3 is town to me just because of how he put his claim but look at Sibyl's Elegy, he jumped between 2 claims and claimed it was a "gambit" as scum (and got hanged for it day 1).

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Torn between hanging Elsa today and letting her and T3 prove themselves (one of them is still probably scum)... on the other hand Elsa is just generally scummier.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Thanks Elsa

[humaneatingmonkey]

You called me the big guy

[Dunnstral]

Scum neighborizers tend to have less shots

[Dunnstral]

There's a decent chance that Elsa is scum

I don't want to rely too much on mechanics but T3 looks like town and Elsa looks like mafia (even if there could be 2 neighborizors)

I don't see the merit to proving elsa's role because it's not going to change minds

[humaneatingmonkey]

I also think Elsa is flipping scum

[KittyTacky]

Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

[KittyTacky]

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

[KittyTacky]

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

That list... Wasn't as helpful as I wanted it but I got soaked running home in the rain and I'm sleepy so I'm posting the beta now. Ftr my nulls could be more passive scum.

I did feel a bit concerned about the nulls and I do feel like the way this addresses them is alright

[Gamma Emerald]

Iecerint, LuciferMorningStar, Testarossa?

No, meh, and meh

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

When did you read those reviews? Weren’t you busy?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

I hate these posts all bunched together like this
It’s a scummy sort of hate FYI