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[VFP]

Then vote me.
I've already clarified I've bid what I have on the Ninja role.
You being wrong works better to be shown on me rather than Imaginality for multiple reasons.

Let's not give it the talk if you aren't going to move your vote back to me.
And again, let's not let off that SSBM did a strange swap off me even though I'm scum to them.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

VOTE: Imaginality

Could still switch to VFP. I don’t see voting anywhere else today.

i dont mind the imaginality or vfp vote, im not sure which i prefer tho ^.^

Either the 2x doctor is dead, scum, or incompetent--same reason as the above.

if it helps with this i gravedug kitty last night and they had no powers. tho u look like u have stuff figured out so maybe this info is useless by now

:/

It’s okay because I’m extremely confident I’ve got this game solved.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Re. my posts and my bid, I encouraged town to bid high because I want us to keep scum from getting powers that are useful to us and I think getting powers early is better than late. The reason I bid 90 should be obvious.

i think i understand what this means actually, so i think then that means that vfp is most preferred over imaginality (:

VOTE: vfp

@Imaginality, why is you bidding “obvious”? If you wanted town to bid high and you bid low, that’s obviously hypocritical.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Yes that, SSBM is saying I do not make comments like that as town. In out last game I made snarky comments like that.
As I said, SSBM has fucked up here and pushed a fake meta read on someone who calls it out.

Let me ask you Marci, if SSBM is town, then why are they not killed as the MO?
Of course, this means little with a flip from me. If I flip scum then my comments are irrelevant. If I flip town, then my view is genuine and SSBM is scum, and very strange to not have been killed.

Because if you’re scum, the optics of them dying look terrible.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I kinda associate dolphins with someone I never want to see on this site again
So seeing the dolphin avi makes me think you’re him, even when I’ve proven that can’t be the case (outside a pretty major rule being broken)

:/

But dolphins are sooooo cute.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

The calling you town thing

No that was from Kitty.
Being called town after I point it out is irrelevant.

SS hasn't done anything that makes me scum or town read them. It's all from Misty.

Misty didn’t do anything scummy.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

It's not a meta "case", I suppose you could call it a case if you wanted, but it's a comment on how that post pinged me as wrong for VFP. I just played a game with him where I don't recall him behaving like that -

it's undermining mastina as a player rather than making any comment on the case she presented.

(That's more what I would call a case^)

I agree with mastina's case, and I think I caught VFP early on with the MO votes.

If you want to read the whole of the linked game rather than VFPs ISO, which is what the link points to, you'll see I found scum!Italiano quite early on d1 and couldn't convince town to lim him and eventually let myself get distracted. He endgamed the town. It could be recency bias at work (I just caught scum in RVS and let them get away so I dont want to.let VFP get away now), but setting that aside, both of mastina's cases on VFP are well reasoned, and I still think there was an agenda to his early d1 posting.

I also believe the e-1 wagon on him was probably all town, and while that in itself is not reason that he is scum, it does make it more likely than any other random 5 person e-1 wagon, and on the lower chance that he is town, it gives us good info to work with.

This is not why we eliminate VFP though - we eliminate him for the case presented against him and for his reaction to it.

Pedit:also lmao caught for the wrong reasons again, Imaginality and VFP just an echo chamber

+1

My sr is actually more on Imaginality but his associatives with VFP scream SvS.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

So we're agreed that there's 100% scum in us?

Weird post to make if you’re town.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

That's a lie.

I didnt realize you had access to my PMs

Your eye twitches when you lie.

Dude, you’re really not convincing anyone with this.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@mod, question about gravedigger/auction mechanics:

if a player is eliminated by plurality, not nightkill, and has also won the bid on an item, would they have "died with the ability" for the purposes of a gravedigger result, or does the dead player technically gain the ability/win the bid after they are dead?

Basically asking, without asking you to confirm kitty won anything, or that Marci actually targeted kitty:

If kitty won cop d1 and was gravedigged last night, would the gravedigger have seen that kitty died with cop?

You need to bold this or Gypyx won’t see it.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

And I agree it would make sense for gravedigger to see the ability if the target won it as they eliminated but wanted to be sure, because if the gravedigger would see it, it means either town won the cop, or scum outside of kitty won it, meaning they have less money left than we've been assuming.

After this gets cleared up I think we can request anyone that bid on cop, but did not win cop, on d1, to claim the amount they bid. This will let us know how much scum must have spent to win it if they did win it. Since we had another day to bid yesterday this doesnt give away who has money left, I think it's safe but haven't thought a whole lot about it yet as I'm at work. Anyone who sees issues with this let it be known

We bid 365 and didn’t get it, so whomever did obviously had to outbid us.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I mean, we can play this dance.
But let's not back out that there's scum in us.

Not only did you try and save Kitty you also haven't been killed by scum even though town you would be an optimal kill.
This part is very important for everyone to remember on my town flip.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

VOTE: Gamma

He’s town, I was recently buddies with him, so I would think I’d be in a great position to judge.

[VFP]

Misty didn’t do anything scummy.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Which would leave {VFP, Cupcake Butterfly, imaginality, Gamma Emerald}--and two of those four were on the D1 scum wagon. The other two were not. And as an aside, I believe Gamma's content here to be indicative of him being town.

i kinda think imaginality is town because of

Re. my posts and my bid, I encouraged town to bid high because I want us to keep scum from getting powers that are useful to us and I think getting powers early is better than late. The reason I bid 90 should be obvious.

but then im at a big "???" moment rn.. i think cupcake is town as well.

i don't know gamma emeralds meta, so i cant rule them out.
so its between vfp / something_smart / gamma emerald for me.
embarrassingly enough, i agree with ssbm_kyouko about gamma emerald not really voicing reads. they've just really went with the flow of things and replied to stuff and sused people as it came along, but i dont really see much of a moment of them placing down something solid and sticking to it.
571 1023 i dont think it would be out of the question for scum to be defending each other right now. i think scum could be scared to 1vall it at this point LOL

He encouraged all of town to bid high but he bids next to nothing. Why didn’t he take his own advice?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

No way the cyrus wagon is all town.

The cyrus wagon was a joke.

S_S wagon was/is a joke since I have meta on him and this is his town game but continue to ignore that, Both you and Imaginality are.

You have meta? Ah shit I guess it's mod confirmed.
Nice try though. You will be towns down fall this game.

No, I will be town’s hero. If I’m wrong about you, then vote Imaginality but I bet neither of you will vote the other one out.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Then vote me.
I've already clarified I've bid what I have on the Ninja role.
You being wrong works better to be shown on me rather than Imaginality for multiple reasons.

Let's not give it the talk if you aren't going to move your vote back to me.
And again, let's not let off that SSBM did a strange swap off me even though I'm scum to them.

If you really believe Kyuku is scum, then vote Imaginality because that is the only possible slot that even makes sense as a possible Kyouku buddy. He was totally willing to let SS hang yesterday until I pushed the Cyrus switch, so suggesting that Kyouku and SS are buddies makes 0 sense.

If you refuse to vote Imaginality, I’m going to assume I’m correct on the two of you being buddies.

[VFP]

No, I will be town’s hero.

If I’m wrong about you, then vote Imaginality but I bet neither of you will vote the other one out.

I'd honestly just rather be the lim today instead on doing some pointless shit on a town flip from Imaginality.
At least then everything I have said can be taken as geniuen and has probability to it.

I'll self vote if that helps you pick me?
As I said, I already accepted my lim today and even if I'm kept around I'm useless to purchase for town and useless to draw a NK.
If even 50% chance that I flip scum for people, I'm really the optimal lim here.

Imaginality town more than not though.

[VFP]

If you really believe Kyuku is scum, then vote Imaginality because that is the only possible slot that even makes sense as a possible Kyouku buddy. He was totally willing to let SS hang yesterday until I pushed the Cyrus switch, so suggesting that Kyouku and SS are buddies makes 0 sense.

If you refuse to vote Imaginality, I’m going to assume I’m correct on the two of you being buddies.

Ew

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Misty didn’t do anything scummy.

You are alleging that scum!Kyouku was find with letting her “buddy” S_S hang yesterday, had I not flipped the votes. Yes?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

If you really believe Kyuku is scum, then vote Imaginality because that is the only possible slot that even makes sense as a possible Kyouku buddy. He was totally willing to let SS hang yesterday until I pushed the Cyrus switch, so suggesting that Kyouku and SS are buddies makes 0 sense.

If you refuse to vote Imaginality, I’m going to assume I’m correct on the two of you being buddies.

Ew

Why am I not surprised. Your sr on Kyouku is also bs then.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

No, I will be town’s hero.

If I’m wrong about you, then vote Imaginality but I bet neither of you will vote the other one out.

I'd honestly just rather be the lim today instead on doing some pointless shit on a town flip from Imaginality.
At least then everything I have said can be taken as geniuen and has probability to it.

I'll self vote if that helps you pick me?
As I said, I already accepted my lim today and even if I'm kept around I'm useless to purchase for town and useless to draw a NK.
If even 50% chance that I flip scum for people, I'm really the optimal lim here.

Imaginality town more than not though.

You’re pushing Kyouku as scum with a slot he was fine with dying yesterday before I flipped the votes. Are you even reading your own posts?

[VFP]

You’re pushing Kyouku as scum with a slot he was fine with dying yesterday before I flipped the votes. Are you even reading your own posts?

Yes, I'm reading.
I've also stated my doubt to them as scum together. ARE YOU READING?

[Gamma Emerald]

So we're agreed that there's 100% scum in us?

Weird post to make if you’re town.

Not for VFP/Vedith
(He outed in another game so I consider that open season on disclosing who the alt is of)

[Gamma Emerald]

Here’s my thing. I get the VFP+imaginality associatives, but rn I feel like something about kyouko is scummier
My immediate attempt to hit that gut feeling with a tangible expression is that something about the picks maybe feels off?