Newbie 2069: Summertime [game over!]

[GrandpaMo]

ok looking at their games, they started in micro games, this is prehaps an alt of a se player that decided to play in newbies that last 2 games.

so if u rlly want to analyze it -- this is highly unlikely..

[Lukewarm]

Grandpa, the issue here is that, if you are town, you cc'ing sang hurts the town --

Regardless of you telling the truth or "joke" ccing...

Regardless of sang telling the truth or fake claiming

...

Sorry, I just fucked up the quote. It was me

[Lukewarm]

ok looking at their games, they started in micro games, this is prehaps an alt of a se player that decided to play in newbies that last 2 games.

so if u rlly want to analyze it -- this is highly unlikely..

Please do not try to analyze Sang's claim. THAT is what could hurt the town.

I do think it is worth trying to analyze you however.

[GrandpaMo]

Lukewarm, the issue here is that, if you are town, you cc'ing sang hurts the town --

Regardless of you telling the truth or "joke" ccing...

Regardless of sang telling the truth or fake claiming

...

Sorry, I just fucked up the quote. It was me

no still me

[Lukewarm]

luke knows my playstyle, idk why this is getting fed up with them. they know i wouldn't do something like that as town or heck even as scum.

This really bothers me. Why would I think that this is something you would avoid as scum?

I have played 1 game with you (not counting the charge me up since you replaced in and I replaced out fairly close together, so I have no idea what you did in that game). In that game, you were scum. You cc'ed the psychologist. Then:

i of course retract. no reason for scum (if i was scum, it would make me more liable for elim) or town (if i was town, i would be basically throwing) to cc here; its more NAI for me imo

So from my sample size of 1, I know that scum!grandpa would make a bad cc, then retract, then claim that it was NAI --- and that is exactly what you are doing now.

So I know that scum!grandpa might do this. Now I gotta figure out if town!grandpa would -- You just gave me meta homework :/

[Lukewarm]

Even in that quote, you admit that town ccing a pr is "basically throwing" -- so you are at least somewhat aware of it being a bad play

[Cabd]

You just gave me meta homework :/

Not seeing it in a quick skim of completed towngames. I certainly don't recall anything of this sort of behavior in the one I modded.

[Lukewarm]

Okay -- my first step of meta homework was to go back to the Aliensitter game -- where you claimed it was NAI, to see how you presented it as NAI. I was hoping you linked games where you did it as townie, but this is what I got

ps: i love claiming pr as VT. i use to do all the time in voice mafia / mafia.gg especially considering the fact that i could throw mafia off. and i have gained a habit of doing so as town/scum (that's why you shouldn't really focus on my claim being AI) all the time in a game. and yes sometimes, I do uh throw by accident and don't realize I get actual town pr condemned lol. but its more of in closed games i do it and this isn't a closed game which is like eh i guess i could do it but i would need to adapt dynamic playstyle where specific town knows what I am doing and scum doesn't just to throw scum off.

In that game, you said that you normally do that in closed setups -- so why did you decide to do it in this kind of set up?

In that game, you claimed that to cc as town would "basically be throwing" and that sometimes you "thrown by accident" -- if you are aware of that risk, why did you do it in this game?

I was hoping for links of times you have done this as town, but there were none. Can you link any town example for me now?

[sang froid]

well well well

[sang froid]

this *is* an interesting development

[sang froid]

I think illwoo looks good out of this

[sang froid]

cabd's reaction I have mixed feelings on, and I have mixed feelings on mo -- not sure if he's scum who was wondering if I'm the cop or fakeclaiming and wanted me to confirm it or if he's vt who believed me and was trying to run interference

[Lukewarm]

@Cabd I am not as convinced as you seem to be that we absolutely must vote within [sang froid, grandpa] I am still trying to figure grandpa out

Spoiler:

but if we are voting within [sang froid, Grandpa] my vote would be on grandpa currently:
~ Like I said, I have seen grandpa do something similar as scum, so it is not out of the realm of possibility
~ I almost want to policy vote him even if he is town

[sang froid]

You're more reasonable, so I haven't decided yet how I read you

this strikes me as a very odd thing to say

[Lukewarm]

I think illwoo looks good out of this

This is an interesting take -- can you explain?

[sang froid]

I have a hero solve but idk if I wanna out it yet

[Cabd]

If we are in both are town then I have to accept two players on MY team are throwing for the lulz and that's a really sad pill to swallow.

[sang froid]

I think illwoo looks good out of this

This is an interesting take -- can you explain?

yes: I think illwahey (I got the impression you would enjoy the riffing on ur name but if you don't tell me and I'll spell it right from now on), if scum, is probably aware that they're defaulting into being the lim today, right?

if they see what I'm leaning towards being town-on-town in a clusterfuck then I don't think their reaction is to make points/ask about it with a mind to understanding mo's motives and to then go on to say that they don't really think it makes mo scum. like if they're scum, then unless mo is explicitly their buddy, I would expect them to be trying to push one of us here instead of just trying to figure out what's going on without committing anything to it

[sang froid]

I don't throw, I just play differently to you

[sang froid]

You're more reasonable, so I haven't decided yet how I read you

this strikes me as a very odd thing to say

lukewarm, what do you think of this?

[Ydrasse]

If we are in both are town then I have to accept two players on MY team are throwing for the lulz and that's a really sad pill to swallow.

why are you so lamist-y

[sang froid]

hi, ydra

[Cabd]

If we are in both are town then I have to accept two players on MY team are throwing for the lulz and that's a really sad pill to swallow.

why are you so lamist-y

That was actually a post I've always wanted to make outside of morph instead of inside of it. Indulge me a little.

[Ydrasse]

hi.

[Lukewarm]

You're more reasonable, so I haven't decided yet how I read you

this strikes me as a very odd thing to say

lukewarm, what do you think of this?

I took it at face value.

Looking over some other players isos (bulge, noraa, ydra (when she reached out to him)), and seeing the posts leading up to Roden's replace out, I get the feeling that he was getting frustrated and very well might have been unreasonable. -- I have actually avoided reading his iso for this very reason :/