Thank you yes!!!!
At first glance of rider’s ISO I was like “actually this is a scummy ISO” so I surface-level disagreed with alter’s take, and that also made me a bit suspicious that alter was trying to protect his scumbuddy-rider and it felt kinda.. unprompted
But then I searched “rider” in the thread to see what scumreads alter was referring to/who was scumreading rider that made him express this. And the mentions of rider in the thread were (going in reverse chronological order because that’s how the search results show up):
1) Ruler put rider in her preferred-elim pile as a “throwaway,” claiming that the only elim she actually wants is foreigner’s and rider is just there to fill the spot. In
273 she puts rider in her scumpile but the only comment she has made about him is that his post saying not to waste pages is scummy but I feel like that is super surface-level and shouldn’t merit a strong enough read to be put in the scumpile with her strong scumread like she did
2) Beast put rider in his preferred-elim pile along with two other slots, explained the reasons for those two slots, but not for rider. He never mentions rider in his ISO other than this. Kind of crazy that beast has said nothing about his #1 preferred elim other than this post saying that he wants to elim rider (starts at
563 for context)
3) Berserker puts Rider at null in readslist
4) Saber waffling on Rider in the weird readslist in
472
5) Caster said he wants Rider to play more seriously
6) Moon Cancer put Rider at approx null in
462
7) Archer said “not a big fan of Rider’s ISO” way back in
153
So I mean, I think I see where alter is coming from. Ruler and Beast’s scumreads on Rider especially seem to have very little to no justification and they’ve barely/never mentioned him in their ISOs yet still put him in their preferred-elim pile. Saber’s read on Rider is also a bit weird but not sure if AI atm. Other than that I’m kinda whatever about these scumreads/don’t think Rider is being seriously scumread by anyone outside of these three slots potentially.
As for me - I don’t necessarily disagree that his early ISO is lacking in content but I think most recently him being surprised at not being put in preferred-elim piles is gut-towny-feeling to me.
