Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[Nancy Drew 39]

I sincerely apologize if I could be nicer about this but I’ve literally explained, re-explained and re-explained ad nauseum and even after I don’t think I can make things any clearer, Val continues to insist I’m ignoring the question. Then Roden piggybanks on it.

I’m fine with answering questions but getting repeatedly asked the same exact question - which I have answered, probably at least at least 3 times now, is exasperating. And I honestly can’t tell anymore if Val is pretending not to read my responses or he’s genuinely not understanding. Either way, I’m done with repeating myself over and over again, when I have abundantly clearly already explained it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what tf more aren’t youcomprehending?

If you want to protect the alt, why not just say "I have a meta read on X, here is the game he played in and here is what I think it tells us"; trying to muscle in the fact you were playing in it under an alt seems like a way to try and bolster not very good reasoning with "I was there" cred whilst at the same time trying to hide your own meta tells. You know who worries about thier own meta tells in a mafia game? Scum! Who cares if you get meta read as town if you are town, right?

^ This.

I didn’t want to link the game BECAUSE I was playing under an alt. I’m almost regretting now even mentioning it but when I saw Mo so quickly being run up to E-1, I felt I had an obligation to say what I did because on what other basis could I have effectively communicated my concern with the speed of that wagon or why I was leery of it?

I really expected Mo to flip scum in that game and I was obviously wrong, so I had serious doubts about him flipping scum as a result.

I never ever link my ISO’s when I play under alts but if you like, I’d be more than fine linking that tm game, because I played that under my main.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Subject: TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

I asked him to read TGP, and Ceph thinks it's possible TGP is scum, but is confused at why he's a popular target. Also as scum it'd be weird to go after Nancy because she'll definitely OMGUS you. Not the wagon I'd go for today, and it's practically the same wagon as the one that was on me (Flavor, BBmolla, Nancy, NEE). The only difference is Mistyx being on it and shea avoiding it despite really going after TGP (and obviously TGP not being on it). Kind of just reinforces to me that assuming there were a couple of scum on my wagon that it's not TGP.

Let's talk about interactions between common people on these wagons.

NEE about Flavor: Opening post is a vote for FL, says that FL vote is town. Directly talks to FL once. Gets asked a question directly by FL and responds with a scum game. Once more recently but just about how the game isn't chaotic.
Flavor about NEE: Quite a few. Asks NEE about his reads. There's a short back and forth previously mentioned here.

These two don't seem to be likely to be both scum, though I admit Flavor seems like the type of person who is good at interacting with his scummates.

NEE about BBMolla: basically agrees with BBM saying he's content with the Ram vote. Claims he'd support a BBM wagon if not for the wagon on me... then joins the TGP vote (justified later by then saying that TGP is the scummy one and bbmolla is "slightly scummy")
BBM about NEE: Votes for NEE in a jokingly way then goes back to the Pine project he assigned himself. No further interactions.

If one of these two are scum I could definitely see the other being scum. NEE could be halfheartedly distancing from BBM. That said, BBM doesn't have many interactions with anyone so have to adjust on that basis.

NEE about Nancy: His iso is FULL of interaction with Nancy.
Nancy about NEE: Likewise here.

Are NEE and Nancy otherwise good friends? Because assuming not, it seems unlikely to me that these two are together.

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BBM about Flavor: Gets asked a direct question by FL and answers it quickly. Says he's "unconcerned with sorting FL today."
Flavor about BBM: Spends some time calling BBM "obviously town." Other than the direct question to BBM has no interaction with him until BBM says that he's unconcerned with FL.

Definitely a possible pairing, though again part of this is BBM has fewer interactions overall so it seems less determinative.

BBM about Nancy: recently called Nancy town. Otherwise nothing.
Nancy about BBM: Agrees with the Pine vote by BBM. Calls into question BBM's Pine vote later. Answers a question about Ramcius.

Nancy's posts to BBM seem pretty organic at least.

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Nancy about Flavor: Similar to NEE, Nancy has oodles of interactions.
Flavor about Nancy: Similar.

Again, I think Nancy and Flavor are probably two people who would interact a lot with their scum partners, but I have no reason to believe that they're both scum aligned.

Eliminating Flavor and him turning scum would point me toward BBM but probably not NorwegianboyEE. My town read of Nancy aside, I feel like the two of them are probably well suited to playing off each other as scum.

Eliminating BBM doesn't really do much for this type of analysis, unfortunately as he could be a potential partner to basically anyone on that list.


NEE and Nancy aren't really two people I'm excited to see go today outside of this.

This is the town!Zor post that one of the two scums, convinced me to vote for.

[Marashu]

LunarRest has requested replacement.

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 1.07

Icon A5

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Elimination

Psyche

(2): BlurryX, ClarkBar

BlurryX

(2): Psyche, Roden

Nancy Drew 39

(1): Val89

Val89

(1): Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting

(3): GrandpaMo, T3, LunarRest

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-06 10:00:49).

Mod notes:

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.
Looking for a replacement for LunarRest

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to sincerely apologize if I’ve either upset anyone or made them uncomfortable. @Val89, you absolutely did not deserve those last couple of posts from me. I’m just extremely frustrated that I keep being continually asked to defend what I view as a blatantly obvtown post - repeatedly but I feel bad because this is the newbie queue and I shouldn’t be holding newbie players up to unfairly high standards, so again, I’m extremely sorry and regret that.

[Marashu]

Chuck Shurley replaces LunarRest

[Chuck Shurley]

I am upset I didn't replace Wayward Son.

[Chuck Shurley]

I've skimmed up to here but need to go back and do a more thorough read when it isn't the middle of my work day.

Immediate impressions:

val89 and Nancy's spat = classic TvT tunneling imo.

Clark and Roden townie mc townerson game solving attempts

T3 null until I do a careful read through...the only post of theirs that stood out on skim was noticing Grandpa talking about knowing alignment and I need to see if that's because the rest of their posts are scummy fluff or just unmemorable.

Psyche null. On one hand could be experienced player poking beehives to get the game rolling, on the other could be scum trying to stir chaos.

I want Blurry to come back and talk more, because that post seems disingenuous and I don't like it, but one post is...one post.

Don't like Grandpa.


Okies. Be back later.

[T3]

VOTE: blurryx
Come backkkkkkk

[Psyche]

ok yeah i agree that i was a bit overeager in that one post suggesting we just go ahead and lynch blurry or whatever

[GrandpaMo]

I sincerely apologize if I could be nicer about this but I’ve literally explained, re-explained and re-explained ad nauseum and even after I don’t think I can make things any clearer, Val continues to insist I’m ignoring the question. Then Roden piggybanks on it.

I’m fine with answering questions but getting repeatedly asked the same exact question - which I have answered, probably at least at least 3 times now, is exasperating. And I honestly can’t tell anymore if Val is pretending not to read my responses or he’s genuinely not understanding. Either way, I’m done with repeating myself over and over again, when I have abundantly clearly already explained it.

what tf more aren’t youcomprehending?

If you want to protect the alt, why not just say "I have a meta read on X, here is the game he played in and here is what I think it tells us"; trying to muscle in the fact you were playing in it under an alt seems like a way to try and bolster not very good reasoning with "I was there" cred whilst at the same time trying to hide your own meta tells. You know who worries about thier own meta tells in a mafia game? Scum! Who cares if you get meta read as town if you are town, right?

^ This.

I didn’t want to link the game BECAUSE I was playing under an alt. I’m almost regretting now even mentioning it but when I saw Mo so quickly being run up to E-1, I felt I had an obligation to say what I did because on what other basis could I have effectively communicated my concern with the speed of that wagon or why I was leery of it?

I really expected Mo to flip scum in that game and I was obviously wrong, so I had serious doubts about him flipping scum as a result.

I never ever link my ISO’s when I play under alts but if you like, I’d be more than fine linking that tm game, because I played that under my main.

Subject: TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

I asked him to read TGP, and Ceph thinks it's possible TGP is scum, but is confused at why he's a popular target. Also as scum it'd be weird to go after Nancy because she'll definitely OMGUS you. Not the wagon I'd go for today, and it's practically the same wagon as the one that was on me (Flavor, BBmolla, Nancy, NEE). The only difference is Mistyx being on it and shea avoiding it despite really going after TGP (and obviously TGP not being on it). Kind of just reinforces to me that assuming there were a couple of scum on my wagon that it's not TGP.

Let's talk about interactions between common people on these wagons.

NEE about Flavor: Opening post is a vote for FL, says that FL vote is town. Directly talks to FL once. Gets asked a question directly by FL and responds with a scum game. Once more recently but just about how the game isn't chaotic.
Flavor about NEE: Quite a few. Asks NEE about his reads. There's a short back and forth previously mentioned here.

These two don't seem to be likely to be both scum, though I admit Flavor seems like the type of person who is good at interacting with his scummates.

NEE about BBMolla: basically agrees with BBM saying he's content with the Ram vote. Claims he'd support a BBM wagon if not for the wagon on me... then joins the TGP vote (justified later by then saying that TGP is the scummy one and bbmolla is "slightly scummy")
BBM about NEE: Votes for NEE in a jokingly way then goes back to the Pine project he assigned himself. No further interactions.

If one of these two are scum I could definitely see the other being scum. NEE could be halfheartedly distancing from BBM. That said, BBM doesn't have many interactions with anyone so have to adjust on that basis.

NEE about Nancy: His iso is FULL of interaction with Nancy.
Nancy about NEE: Likewise here.

Are NEE and Nancy otherwise good friends? Because assuming not, it seems unlikely to me that these two are together.

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BBM about Flavor: Gets asked a direct question by FL and answers it quickly. Says he's "unconcerned with sorting FL today."
Flavor about BBM: Spends some time calling BBM "obviously town." Other than the direct question to BBM has no interaction with him until BBM says that he's unconcerned with FL.

Definitely a possible pairing, though again part of this is BBM has fewer interactions overall so it seems less determinative.

BBM about Nancy: recently called Nancy town. Otherwise nothing.
Nancy about BBM: Agrees with the Pine vote by BBM. Calls into question BBM's Pine vote later. Answers a question about Ramcius.

Nancy's posts to BBM seem pretty organic at least.

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Nancy about Flavor: Similar to NEE, Nancy has oodles of interactions.
Flavor about Nancy: Similar.

Again, I think Nancy and Flavor are probably two people who would interact a lot with their scum partners, but I have no reason to believe that they're both scum aligned.

Eliminating Flavor and him turning scum would point me toward BBM but probably not NorwegianboyEE. My town read of Nancy aside, I feel like the two of them are probably well suited to playing off each other as scum.

Eliminating BBM doesn't really do much for this type of analysis, unfortunately as he could be a potential partner to basically anyone on that list.


NEE and Nancy aren't really two people I'm excited to see go today outside of this.

This is the town!Zor post that one of the two scums, convinced me to vote for.

ok let me actually clear this up.

there is an apparent misunderstanding. val is not talking about what you did, but more of say HOW you did it and the events leading towards it. from my perspective, it may have been coherent that i knew what you were talking about but from someone's else's perspective, it looks like you were maybe trying to hide info on purpose etc. val probably just needs to see it from me v nancy interaction and you need to see that val is only seeing it that way and not you communicating to the whole town. then you later addressed it to val which made them confused -- if that makes sense.

[GrandpaMo]

I've skimmed up to here but need to go back and do a more thorough read when it isn't the middle of my work day.

Immediate impressions:

val89 and Nancy's spat = classic TvT tunneling imo.

Clark and Roden townie mc townerson game solving attempts

T3 null until I do a careful read through...the only post of theirs that stood out on skim was noticing Grandpa talking about knowing alignment and I need to see if that's because the rest of their posts are scummy fluff or just unmemorable.

Psyche null. On one hand could be experienced player poking beehives to get the game rolling, on the other could be scum trying to stir chaos.

I want Blurry to come back and talk more, because that post seems disingenuous and I don't like it, but one post is...one post.

Don't like Grandpa.


Okies. Be back later.

eh you coming in and immediately finding scum on blurry then having the wildcards such as t3 and psyche as null because you dont know how they play then just saying you dont like me for no reason. im expecting a reason for all these reads, (i hope u werent caught up by that time)

[GrandpaMo]

I've skimmed up to here but need to go back and do a more thorough read when it isn't the middle of my work day.

Immediate impressions:

val89 and Nancy's spat = classic TvT tunneling imo.

Clark and Roden townie mc townerson game solving attempts

T3 null until I do a careful read through...the only post of theirs that stood out on skim was noticing Grandpa talking about knowing alignment and I need to see if that's because the rest of their posts are scummy fluff or just unmemorable.

Psyche null. On one hand could be experienced player poking beehives to get the game rolling, on the other could be scum trying to stir chaos.

I want Blurry to come back and talk more, because that post seems disingenuous and I don't like it, but one post is...one post.

Don't like Grandpa.


Okies. Be back later.

eh you coming in and immediately finding scum on blurry

especially when everyone literally had them as scum

then having the wildcards such as t3 and psyche as null because you dont know how they play then just saying you dont like me for no reason.

just feels like scum finding there way into the game

im expecting a reason for all these reads, (i hope u werent caught up by that time)

forgot to add the boldde

[Chuck Shurley]

eh you coming in and immediately finding scum on blurry then having the wildcards such as t3 and psyche as null because you dont know how they play then just saying you dont like me for no reason. im expecting a reason for all these reads, (i hope u werent caught up by that time)

Sometimes not giving a reason gets better results than giving one.

The answer to your parenthetical is in my post.

[Val89]

Sometimes not giving a reason gets better results than giving one.

Eh, this is something that's come up in the past, and I'm still not entirely sure how that works, but alas, I'll take it at face value for now.

Val and Clark are both town for the above.

T3 is town for the above. You can eliminate them from the equation.

[Roden]

I want to sincerely apologize if I’ve either upset anyone or made them uncomfortable. @Val89, you absolutely did not deserve those last couple of posts from me. I’m just extremely frustrated that I keep being continually asked to defend what I view as a blatantly obvtown post - repeatedly but I feel bad because this is the newbie queue and I shouldn’t be holding newbie players up to unfairly high standards, so again, I’m extremely sorry and regret that.

Man, just as I was starting to comfortably scum read you, you had to go and post this. Backing off like this is such a townie move I'd almost consider it a town slip. I say almost because an experienced player could convincingly fabricate a town response like this, and I still stand by what I saw as red flags. But I feel better just sorting you as "town lean who had miscommunication issues with Val" for now and moving on. There's no universe where you should be up for elimination on Day 1 anyway.

[Roden]

Also, can we get a prod on Blurry? They haven't posted for the past couple days now.

[Psyche]

he has been

[Val89]

Backing off like this is such a townie move I'd almost consider it a town slip

I wasn't going to comment on it because I thought it was self-evident on it's own, but did you read that as something other than "sorry you are so stupid Val, I shouldn't have expected you to play good like us SE slots." I can only assume there was a very surface level reading if it was taken as an actual apology.

Is there something townie about that?

[Marashu]

BlurryX has requested replacement.

[T3]

Newb scum getting pressure and not knowing what to do?

[Marashu]

Newb scum getting pressure and not knowing what to do?

Replacement

- PM me if you wish to be replaced out.

Angleshooting (speculating on alignment because of replacement) is not permitted.

[T3]

Newb scum getting pressure and not knowing what to do?

Replacement

- PM me if you wish to be replaced out.

Angleshooting (speculating on alignment because of replacement) is not permitted.

Ah.

[Marashu]

JamesTheNames replaces BlurryX