micro 1017 is over party

[skitter30]

if all of t3, pob, and tris are town it makes sense for scum to want us to damage them if they don't have an nk >.>

[Toogeloo]

This game seems designed for town to intentionally shoot itself in the foot by the looks of it. If there is no factional night kill. Everyone holstering actually seems a plausible play, but you'd have to assume there is no deep wolf directing town.

And honestly, it makes roles like the charisma potion seem to benefit scum more than town.

[skitter30]

like .
if there isn't scum within the damage claims are we positing that scum don't have an nk and also dont' have the ability to deal damage or

[Rhyme and Reason]

than i'm *incredibly* doubtful that all fo the damage claims are town ...

I mean, if we assume that scum are using their damage potions to kill threats, they probably aren't claiming those shots.

So if anything, a damage claim on a suspicious player is a verifiable pro-town action that proves they didn't take any other action that night.

-Reason

[skitter30]

And honestly, it makes roles like the charisma potion seem to benefit scum more than town.

yes but i think (?) dats is town on play + it's super easy for him to 'accidentally' write posts in a way for people to disagree with + it looks like the pressure of writing his posts in a ~neutral~ way is getting to him, when if he were scum that wouldnt' be happening

[skitter30]

than i'm *incredibly* doubtful that all fo the damage claims are town ...

I mean, if we assume that scum are using their damage potions to kill threats, they probably aren't claiming those shots.

So if anything, a damage claim on a suspicious player is a verifiable pro-town action that proves they didn't take any other action that night.

-Reason

true but what are scum goign to claim otherwise?

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toogeloo

Eliminate me today. Do it quick before any other damage is taken from the charisma potion. Everyone else who has a damage potion will be scum claiming if they use it.

[Datisi]

there is not a factional nightkill.

Hmm...

oh this too
i didn't realize this was a thing
than i'm *incredibly* doubtful that all fo the damage claims are town ...

i'm not sure i get how a reminder that there's no factional nightkill makes it more likely to you that there's scum within the damage claims, as it seems to me like scum would be even less likely to trueclaim they damage then, but also maybe don't answer this

[Rhyme and Reason]

true but what are scum goign to claim otherwise?

Idk, maybe something like "I started the game with no potions" or "I used an unverifiable healing potion last night"

-Reason

[skitter30]

i think that if townies are claiming damage potions scum would too

[Datisi]

And honestly, it makes roles like the charisma potion seem to benefit scum more than town.

yes but i think (?) dats is town on play + it's super easy for him to 'accidentally' write posts in a way for people to disagree with + it looks like the pressure of writing his posts in a ~neutral~ way is getting to him, when if he were scum that wouldnt' be happening

re toog - don't think so, considering it's impossible to force someone to take damage (unless like, the whole town agrees to yeet them if they don't)

re skit - why is there a "(?)" there?

[skitter30]

because i'm not 100% confident you're town, maybe like 90%
like the (?) is the difference between a locktown read and a strong town read

[Toogeloo]

And honestly, it makes roles like the charisma potion seem to benefit scum more than town.

yes but i think (?) dats is town on play + it's super easy for him to 'accidentally' write posts in a way for people to disagree with + it looks like the pressure of writing his posts in a ~neutral~ way is getting to him, when if he were scum that wouldnt' be happening

This is not me saying Days is scum, but keep in mind that scum allotted their potions to each other after Day 1, so giving a potion like that to a widely town read player would be a smart scum move.

[Toogeloo]

Days = Datisi (auto correct fml)

[skitter30]

i also just feel like the fact that you're so intune with the scum mechanics is +scum :/

idk maybe i'm tunneled but i'm having a hard time here seeing toog as town

[Datisi]

because i'm not 100% confident you're town, maybe like 90%
like the (?) is the difference between a locktown read and a strong town read

did anything change since 145? i know it was a while ago, but

[skitter30]

nothing drastically beyond 'this game feels hard and i don't know where scum is so i have an element of paranoia on everyone'

[skitter30]

also uh why are you questioning the (?)

[Rhyme and Reason]

N1 action claims:

tʃɹɪs - check if someone is damaged, used on Datisi, he was not (I think? this wasn't made explicit but I assume that's what her second post of the day means)
pob long - gulp potion, no effect
T3 - no potions
Rhyme and Reason - damaged tris
skitter30 - fruit vendor potion to R&R
Datisi - charisma potion
Toogeloo - ?
Retti - restored 1 HP to skitter

I couldn't find Toog's N1 action. Did they claim it and I just missed it?

-Reason

[Datisi]

is there anything i can do abt that paranoia while having *waves hands* charisma

pedit: @skit, bc i remembered you said you thought i was really obviously town, and i thought you've gotten to know how to read me by now, so that (?) looked weird to me

[skitter30]

i can't really think of anything, like it's not a you-specific paranoia so much as i'm at least a little bit dubious of everyone right now i think
like in my mind you haven't dropped so far, it's just more i don't want to call anyone locktown right now so you're sort of right below that level

i guess i'm just finding it weird that you're kinda concerned about the difference?

[Datisi]

why is that weird? do i like, need to again revive the discussion from c9++ abt my concerns of other people's reads on me or

also like i'm not 100% on you being town and that ~hesitation~ in your read on me (when you've given no prior signs that i've done something to make you do that) struck me as a bit out of the blue

[Toogeloo]

i also just feel like the fact that you're so intune with the scum mechanics is +scum :/

idk maybe i'm tunneled but i'm having a hard time here seeing toog as town

I have self voted, to sum up my position, the best way to combat a scum team with no factional kill is for any town players with a damaging potion to holster it and never use it. Any deaths at night will be due to scum.

[Toogeloo]

Then, you eliminate the scummiest players during the day with (hopefully) no fear of night kills.

[Rhyme and Reason]

Hi Toog, did you do anything last night?

-Reason