Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

This is total bs and I actually think you might be scum here and possibly with Psyche with your interactions.

Have I just solved the game?


VOTE: James

I think Val is actually sincere.

Anyone who sr me and doesn’t click this, then my possible miselim which scum is enthusiastically pushing is on you.

[JamesTheNames]

370 explains how basically nothing you've done is town sided. The only potential town sided action you've done, is explain a game mechanic to Lunarrest, but that's NAI. You're entire reason for being against the Mo wagon was meta. You're reason you should be seen as town according to you is meta. The reason I'm wrong about you in your eyes is meta. You post one single link, expecting that to encompass all of the games you've ever played, when for one every game is different, I've had a look around random games and I haven't seen many as anti-meta as me, that will give you new interactions you haven't done before. There are 38 options for the role you get and the column/row we're in total. You'd need to supply at least 38 games to cover all options. Then there's a huge player base which will make all games different. Your meta nonsense refuses to take this into account.
Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?
Absolutely nothing.

[JamesTheNames]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

This is total bs and I actually think you might be scum here and possibly with Psyche with your interactions.

Have I just solved the game?


VOTE: James

I think Val is actually sincere.

Another OMGUS.

No my vote on Val wasn’t an an omgus and I just posted a link that completely debunked your bs case on me and your response is to outright refuse to read it.

If I’m right, I think there’s a decent chance Psyche is your buddy and you were just distancing him with that initial vote.

I'm not going to waste my time and go through your old games, to use an inaccurate, unreliable way of getting reads, just because you don't want to do anything town sided.

I just literally posted a link and you’re scumclaiming by refusing to read it because it 100% disproves your case on me.

The only less valid way to form reads than meta is to open a random name generator, and it's close.

Only people who are either scum or completely incapable of reading meta say that.

I OMGUSed every player in that game who sr me and guess what, I was town in that game too.

I haven't even read the game, but if you OMGUS everybody who SRs you as town, why didn't you OMGUS Val89?

[Nancy Drew 39]

370 explains how basically nothing you've done is town sided. The only potential town sided action you've done, is explain a game mechanic to Lunarrest, but that's NAI. You're entire reason for being against the Mo wagon was meta. You're reason you should be seen as town according to you is meta. The reason I'm wrong about you in your eyes is meta. You post one single link, expecting that to encompass all of the games you've ever played, when for one every game is different, I've had a look around random games and I haven't seen many as anti-meta as me, that will give you new interactions you haven't done before. There are 38 options for the role you get and the column/row we're in total. You'd need to supply at least 38 games to cover all options. Then there's a huge player base which will make all games different. Your meta nonsense refuses to take this into account.
Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?
Absolutely nothing.

When I die, please yeet this into the stratosphere and if it flips scum, then flip Psyche next. Psyche has played with me before in Forest Fire, so he’s read on me is also bs.

[JamesTheNames]

I'm not going to waste my time and go through your old games, to use an inaccurate, unreliable way of getting reads, just because you don't want to do anything town sided.

I just literally posted a link and you’re scumclaiming by refusing to read it because it 100% disproves your case on me.

The only less valid way to form reads than meta is to open a random name generator, and it's close.

Only people who are either scum or completely incapable of reading meta say that.

I OMGUSed every player in that game who sr me and guess what, I was town in that game too.

Incapable of reading meta?
Bold claim.
Real life analogy for you here to see if this makes it clearer.
Sir Sam has previous convictions of burglary and assault. Mr Michael was robbed and assaulted. Madam Moira witnessed Lady Lucy leave the house where Mr Michael was assaulted and robbed. You know Sir Sam has previous convictions, and the way the case was carried out was similar.
Relying on meta is arresting Sir Sam entirely because he had previous convictions. Actually playing the game and making useful reads, is using actual evidence and reads to realise, it was probably Lady Lucy.

[Roden]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

This is total bs and I actually think you might be scum here and possibly with Psyche with your interactions.

Have I just solved the game?


VOTE: James

I think Val is actually sincere.

Wait, why Psyche? They were the first vote on Blurry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

This is total bs and I actually think you might be scum here and possibly with Psyche with your interactions.

Have I just solved the game?


VOTE: James

I think Val is actually sincere.

Another OMGUS.

No my vote on Val wasn’t an an omgus and I just posted a link that completely debunked your bs case on me and your response is to outright refuse to read it.

If I’m right, I think there’s a decent chance Psyche is your buddy and you were just distancing him with that initial vote.

I'm not going to waste my time and go through your old games, to use an inaccurate, unreliable way of getting reads, just because you don't want to do anything town sided.

I just literally posted a link and you’re scumclaiming by refusing to read it because it 100% disproves your case on me.

The only less valid way to form reads than meta is to open a random name generator, and it's close.

Only people who are either scum or completely incapable of reading meta say that.

I OMGUSed every player in that game who sr me and guess what, I was town in that game too.

I haven't even read the game, but if you OMGUS everybody who SRs you as town, why didn't you OMGUS Val89?

I voted him because he was non-stop tunneling me and I felt bullied and intimidated by that but I really think he’s town and my vote on me was sheer frustration and was never meant to be serious.

If I pretty much omgus sr/vote - or have in almost every game - in what world, do you view that as scum indicative for me?

Ask Mo, I received votes from the entire town minus one in that game we played - probably for the exact same reasons.

[JamesTheNames]

370 explains how basically nothing you've done is town sided. The only potential town sided action you've done, is explain a game mechanic to Lunarrest, but that's NAI. You're entire reason for being against the Mo wagon was meta. You're reason you should be seen as town according to you is meta. The reason I'm wrong about you in your eyes is meta. You post one single link, expecting that to encompass all of the games you've ever played, when for one every game is different, I've had a look around random games and I haven't seen many as anti-meta as me, that will give you new interactions you haven't done before. There are 38 options for the role you get and the column/row we're in total. You'd need to supply at least 38 games to cover all options. Then there's a huge player base which will make all games different. Your meta nonsense refuses to take this into account.
Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?
Absolutely nothing.

When I die, please yeet this into the stratosphere and if it flips scum, then flip Psyche next. Psyche has played with me before in Forest Fire, so he’s read on me is also bs.

Is there anything in your eyes you've done this entire game which is town sided? If so do tell, or is your entire town case going to be "So and so played in a game with me before so they should know town me does this/doesn't do this"?

[JamesTheNames]

Also I do apologise if my tone is starting to get a bit rude, its late where I am and it isn't intentional, if I ever upset or bother anyone with this please do tell me as soon as possible.

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

This is total bs and I actually think you might be scum here and possibly with Psyche with your interactions.

Have I just solved the game?


VOTE: James

I think Val is actually sincere.

Wait, why Psyche? They were the first vote on Blurry.

He played with me in Forrest Fire, so he should know that none of this is scum indicative for me.

He’s very clearly planning to jump on me if his last post is any indication and that really doesn’t mean much. I once put my buddy to E-1 in a game, so I could see possible distancing,

[JamesTheNames]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

This is total bs and I actually think you might be scum here and possibly with Psyche with your interactions.

Have I just solved the game?


VOTE: James

I think Val is actually sincere.

Wait, why Psyche? They were the first vote on Blurry.

He played with me in Forrest Fire, so he should know that none of this is scum indicative for me.

He’s very clearly planning to jump on me if his last post is any indication and that really doesn’t mean much.

I once put my buddy to E-1 in a game, so I could see possible distancing,

Bit of a difference between E-1 and E-4 or E-3.

[Nancy Drew 39]

370 explains how basically nothing you've done is town sided. The only potential town sided action you've done, is explain a game mechanic to Lunarrest, but that's NAI. You're entire reason for being against the Mo wagon was meta. You're reason you should be seen as town according to you is meta. The reason I'm wrong about you in your eyes is meta. You post one single link, expecting that to encompass all of the games you've ever played, when for one every game is different, I've had a look around random games and I haven't seen many as anti-meta as me, that will give you new interactions you haven't done before. There are 38 options for the role you get and the column/row we're in total. You'd need to supply at least 38 games to cover all options. Then there's a huge player base which will make all games different. Your meta nonsense refuses to take this into account.
Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?
Absolutely nothing.

When I die, please yeet this into the stratosphere and if it flips scum, then flip Psyche next. Psyche has played with me before in Forest Fire, so he’s read on me is also bs.

Is there anything in your eyes you've done this entire game which is town sided? If so do tell, or is your entire town case going to be "So and so played in a game with me before so they should know town me does this/doesn't do this"?

Anyone with eyes, who can read should be able to tell I’m town here. Why did I make that post about miseliiming Mo? Other than concern that he may be miselimed?

Please explain to me why scum!me does that?

In fact, other than the votes on players who have voted/sr me, what else do you see as even remotely scummy? Because none of that is even remotely scum indicative for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

This is total bs and I actually think you might be scum here and possibly with Psyche with your interactions.

Have I just solved the game?


VOTE: James

I think Val is actually sincere.

Wait, why Psyche? They were the first vote on Blurry.

He played with me in Forrest Fire, so he should know that none of this is scum indicative for me.

He’s very clearly planning to jump on me if his last post is any indication and that really doesn’t mean much.

I once put my buddy to E-1 in a game, so I could see possible distancing,

Bit of a difference between E-1 and E-4 or E-3.

Psych should never be sr me for the things that Val outlined in red because I deathtunnelled a slot in both Forrest Fire and the tm game. In both cases, they flipped town but you outright refusing to click that link to my tm game - which completely dismantles the case anyone is sr me here for and anyone who’s actually town and isn’t okay with potentially miseliming me absolutely needs to read it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

tbf nancy

can

be the sort to get wrapped up in these sorts of conflicts in general, so it's not clear if we should treat that as alignment-indicative either
a little meta dive could do a lot of work here perhaps

Maybe T3 is right then? I missed this.

[Psyche]

When I die, please yeet this into the stratosphere and if it flips scum, then flip Psyche next. Psyche has played with me before in Forest Fire, so he’s read on me is also bs.

haha what

[Roden]

Nancy, you're panicking like someone who is in hammer range. Pretty sure James is getting elim'd today at this rate.

[Psyche]

oh but re:forest fire i honestly don't even recall the game

[Nancy Drew 39]

pog e-1 VOTE: GrandpaMo

If you’re town here, you should never self-vote.

Official Vote Count 1.02

Boeing 787

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Elimination

GrandpaMo

(3): LunarRest, Psyche, T3

Nancy Drew 39

(1): ClarkBar

Psyche

(1): BlurryX

Wayward Son

(1): Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting

(3): Wayward Son, brookewyrm, GrandpaMo

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-06 10:00:49).

Mod notes:

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

We have 8 days guys, no need to rush anything. Wrt to Mo, I miselimed him in a past game. He could be scum here or limbait. Some people are naturally scummy players. It would be nice if we had some time to actually see he’s really the best elim or not.

He isn’t playing extremely differently here from the game I miselimed him in so I’m wary.

VOTE: Clarkbar

He isn’t playing extremely differently here from the game I miselimed him in so I’m wary.

I hate this. Why move my vote? E-1 is fun!

VOTE: GrandpaMo

This post is ick.

It's as if Psyche voted him so that Grandpa can confirm him or suggest that he is town because Psyche wanted to get a wagon going (if I haven't misunderstood). It looks like they were trying to distance each other, as if they aren't mafia together early but now that the wagon is going decently strong (3 votes). And the whole post saying that he's nervous and asking if he should unvote feels weird too. Why is Psyche pretending or atleast appears to pretend like he doesn't know what to do? If he thinks the wagon is rash why not just unvote? Why ask others?

Hey! You may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but you aren't stupid.

And what if Mo’s town? You don’t even know the flip yet but you’re assuming teams?

Clark was definitely not an omgus vote, Ha! just flat out destroyed your wrong case on me!

[JamesTheNames]

370 explains how basically nothing you've done is town sided. The only potential town sided action you've done, is explain a game mechanic to Lunarrest, but that's NAI. You're entire reason for being against the Mo wagon was meta. You're reason you should be seen as town according to you is meta. The reason I'm wrong about you in your eyes is meta. You post one single link, expecting that to encompass all of the games you've ever played, when for one every game is different, I've had a look around random games and I haven't seen many as anti-meta as me, that will give you new interactions you haven't done before. There are 38 options for the role you get and the column/row we're in total. You'd need to supply at least 38 games to cover all options. Then there's a huge player base which will make all games different. Your meta nonsense refuses to take this into account.
Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?
Absolutely nothing.

When I die, please yeet this into the stratosphere and if it flips scum, then flip Psyche next. Psyche has played with me before in Forest Fire, so he’s read on me is also bs.

Is there anything in your eyes you've done this entire game which is town sided? If so do tell, or is your entire town case going to be "So and so played in a game with me before so they should know town me does this/doesn't do this"?

Anyone with eyes, who can read should be able to tell I’m town here. Why did I make that post about miseliiming Mo? Other than concern that he may be miselimed?

Please explain to me why scum!me does that?

In fact, other than the votes on players who have voted/sr me, what else do you see as even remotely scummy? Because none of that is even remotely scum indicative for me.

Simple towncred until the pretence of avoiding a mislim. This isn't to say you and Mo are necessarily buddies, although it isn't impossible. There doesn't necessarily have to be multiple reasons for a scum action, it can be as simple as trying to look townie and to allow you to hide. Playing passively instead of scum hunting, which you are doing, would definitely suit the theme of fake concern of a miselim.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, you're panicking like someone who is in hammer range. Pretty sure James is getting elim'd today at this rate.

I’ve been miselimed before. In Timeshift, I had 3 votes on my slot and handled that completely differently. Want to guess how that turned out? I got run up and 2 days later the slot that correctly hard tr me also got miselimed.

So being chill about viotes only got me miselimed,

[Psyche]

i do think that i know enough about nancy to believe most of what she's being criticized for is NAI
however i think already said as much? i think that while i'm sympathetic to criticism of nancy's play i'm pretty neutral on idea that she's mafia and think the main case against her falls apart once you accept that her vote wasn't based on a read

i still think blurryx's replacement would be a better lynch

ah why am i doing this on my phone my laptop is right next to me

[Nancy Drew 39]

370 explains how basically nothing you've done is town sided. The only potential town sided action you've done, is explain a game mechanic to Lunarrest, but that's NAI. You're entire reason for being against the Mo wagon was meta. You're reason you should be seen as town according to you is meta. The reason I'm wrong about you in your eyes is meta. You post one single link, expecting that to encompass all of the games you've ever played, when for one every game is different, I've had a look around random games and I haven't seen many as anti-meta as me, that will give you new interactions you haven't done before. There are 38 options for the role you get and the column/row we're in total. You'd need to supply at least 38 games to cover all options. Then there's a huge player base which will make all games different. Your meta nonsense refuses to take this into account.
Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?
Absolutely nothing.

When I die, please yeet this into the stratosphere and if it flips scum, then flip Psyche next. Psyche has played with me before in Forest Fire, so he’s read on me is also bs.

Is there anything in your eyes you've done this entire game which is town sided? If so do tell, or is your entire town case going to be "So and so played in a game with me before so they should know town me does this/doesn't do this"?

Anyone with eyes, who can read should be able to tell I’m town here. Why did I make that post about miseliiming Mo? Other than concern that he may be miselimed?

Please explain to me why scum!me does that?

In fact, other than the votes on players who have voted/sr me, what else do you see as even remotely scummy? Because none of that is even remotely scum indicative for me.

Simple towncred until the pretence of avoiding a mislim. This isn't to say you and Mo are necessarily buddies, although it isn't impossible. There doesn't necessarily have to be multiple reasons for a scum action, it can be as simple as trying to look townie and to allow you to hide. Playing passively instead of scum hunting, which you are doing, would definitely suit the theme of fake concern of a miselim.

This is why I’m voting you. You are twusting everytime I did as scummy when you could just as easily hard tr me for it, so I think this is disingenuous.

I am extremely overgamed and activty is never AI for me eirher.

[JamesTheNames]

Psych should never be sr me for the things that Val outlined in red because I deathtunnelled a slot in both Forrest Fire and the tm game. In both cases, they flipped town but you outright refusing to click that link to my tm game - which completely dismantles the case anyone is sr me here for and anyone who’s actually town and isn’t okay with potentially miseliming me absolutely needs to read it.

Once again I implore you to point out a single town sided thing you've done this game. You're relying on meta instead of actually being town sided. You aren't trying to help town, you just want to coast/lurk.
Let's say somebody doesn't have the time to read over all of your previous games, they may be busy with exams, work, maybe they just don't dedicate a lot of time to mafia. Why don't you show this hypothetical player something you've done this game that makes you town?

[JamesTheNames]

i do think that i know enough about nancy to believe most of what she's being criticized for is NAI
however i think already said as much? i think that while i'm sympathetic to criticism of nancy's play i'm pretty neutral on idea that she's mafia and think the main case against her falls apart once you accept that her vote wasn't based on a read

i still think blurryx's replacement would be a better lynch

ah why am i doing this on my phone my laptop is right next to me

There's no active scumhunting, no active attempt at solving, no active attempt at forming reads not based on meta. Her only activity spanning over the past 250~ posts is meta reliance and OMGUS. That isn't NAI its scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i do think that i know enough about nancy to believe most of what she's being criticized for is NAI
however i think already said as much? i think that while i'm sympathetic to criticism of nancy's play i'm pretty neutral on idea that she's mafia and think the main case against her falls apart once you accept that her vote wasn't based on a read

i still think blurryx's replacement would be a better lynch

ah why am i doing this on my phone my laptop is right next to me

Okay, back to thinking you might be scum.

You damn well know he was berating and tunnelling me non-stop. I voted him instead of doing something actually toxic but I wasn’t planning to votepark on it the entire day.

So how do I know you’re not bussinc or even want possibly chaining miselims here?

Are you setting me up for D2 miselim?

Read that tm game, I got a lot of shit for that post-game. So yeah I voted him instead of losing it on him, so that makes me scum?