Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[Nancy Drew 39]

pog e-1 VOTE: GrandpaMo

If you’re town here, you should never self-vote.

Official Vote Count 1.02

Boeing 787

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Elimination

GrandpaMo

(3): LunarRest, Psyche, T3

Nancy Drew 39

(1): ClarkBar

Psyche

(1): BlurryX

Wayward Son

(1): Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting

(3): Wayward Son, brookewyrm, GrandpaMo

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-06 10:00:49).

Mod notes:

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

We have 8 days guys, no need to rush anything. Wrt to Mo, I miselimed him in a past game. He could be scum here or limbait. Some people are naturally scummy players. It would be nice if we had some time to actually see he’s really the best elim or not.

He isn’t playing extremely differently here from the game I miselimed him in so I’m wary.

VOTE: Clarkbar

He isn’t playing extremely differently here from the game I miselimed him in so I’m wary.

I hate this. Why move my vote? E-1 is fun!

VOTE: GrandpaMo

This post is ick.

It's as if Psyche voted him so that Grandpa can confirm him or suggest that he is town because Psyche wanted to get a wagon going (if I haven't misunderstood). It looks like they were trying to distance each other, as if they aren't mafia together early but now that the wagon is going decently strong (3 votes). And the whole post saying that he's nervous and asking if he should unvote feels weird too. Why is Psyche pretending or atleast appears to pretend like he doesn't know what to do? If he thinks the wagon is rash why not just unvote? Why ask others?

Hey! You may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but you aren't stupid.

And what if Mo’s town? You don’t even know the flip yet but you’re assuming teams?

Clark was definitely not an omgus vote, Ha! just flat out destroyed your wrong case on me!

@James, are you blind?

[Psyche]

i do think that i know enough about nancy to believe most of what she's being criticized for is NAI
however i think already said as much? i think that while i'm sympathetic to criticism of nancy's play i'm pretty neutral on idea that she's mafia and think the main case against her falls apart once you accept that her vote wasn't based on a read

i still think blurryx's replacement would be a better lynch

ah why am i doing this on my phone my laptop is right next to me

There's no active scumhunting, no active attempt at solving, no active attempt at forming reads not based on meta. Her only activity spanning over the past 250~ posts is meta reliance and OMGUS. That isn't NAI its scum.

i think there are actually quite a few apparent attempts at forming reads even if no scumreads are produced and you maybe do overstate things when you suggest otherwise

[Nancy Drew 39]

I just dusproved everything James said and he still says I have done nothing town indicative which is a flat out lie. Including the Clark vote - because he wasn’t voting me att but please @James, @Psyche, feel free to ignore that.

[Psyche]

I'm having a hard time following what you find fishy about my reads around you nancy but I think we're just reading the situations differently. I think the case against you is not very good, but I will not rule out the possibility that you're scum. I can see why a position like that might seem opportunistic for scum, but it's also what I'm sincerely feeling atm. I sure wish I could put that one emoji right here. The one with the shrugging.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would seriously like to ask anyone who is possibly sr me - what do you view as my agenda in any of my posting because if I was actually scum here which I am most certainly not - I damn well would have one.

[JamesTheNames]

@James, are you blind?

74 is fluff. You voted someone for voting Mo. That makes you town how? It's just you trying to use the pretence of a miselim to look town.
61 isn't town indicative in any way, you can be against self votes as scum and as town.
76 and 83. Well done you loosely tried pressuring Clark.
None of these are town indicative, they're NAI.
Pretending they are for a moment, is it not alarming you have nothing for nearly 400 posts, that you deem town sided?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm having a hard time following what you find fishy about my reads around you nancy but I think we're just reading the situations differently. I think the case against you is not very good, but I will not rule out the possibility that you're scum. I can see why a position like that might seem opportunistic for scum, but it's also what I'm sincerely feeling atm. I sure wish I could put that one emoji right here. The one with the shrugging.

Why does scum!me voice concern about a possible miselim on Mo, unless you actually think we’re buddies , what possible scum motivation could I possibly have?

And if anyone is going to claim some kind of bs towncred, then I ask why would I have even needed that since no one was even sr me at the time. I’m asking you Psyche, if you’re town to explain the scum motivation in ANY of my posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@James, are you blind?

74 is fluff. You voted someone for voting Mo. That makes you town how? It's just you trying to use the pretence of a miselim to look town.
61 isn't town indicative in any way, you can be against self votes as scum and as town.
76 and 83. Well done you loosely tried pressuring Clark.
None of these are town indicative, they're NAI.
Pretending they are for a moment, is it not alarming you have nothing for nearly 400 posts, that you deem town sided?

Did you even bother clicking that link? I think it’s definitely scummy that you refuse to critically look at anything that clearly torpedoes your case. If you were town here. I would expect that to actually matter.

[JamesTheNames]

@James, are you blind?

74 is fluff. You voted someone for voting Mo. That makes you town how? It's just you trying to use the pretence of a miselim to look town.
61 isn't town indicative in any way, you can be against self votes as scum and as town.
76 and 83. Well done you loosely tried pressuring Clark.
None of these are town indicative, they're NAI.
Pretending they are for a moment, is it not alarming you have nothing for nearly 400 posts, that you deem town sided?

Did you even bother clicking that link? I think it’s definitely scummy that you refuse to critically look at anything that clearly torpedoes your case. If you were town here. I would expect that to actually matter.

Meta isn't valid, the only thing it torpedoes is your town case, the fact how you refuse to read or analyse and just rely on meta.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And James, you clearly still nullread me so my paranoing on a possible you/Psyche team is intensifying. Because at worst you clearly do not a have a scumcase on me, you have an NAI one and if you flip scum, yeah you’d better believe that I think Psyche could possibly be bussing you here

Why push him so hard earlier just to suddenly drop it and switch over to me? It doesn’t read genuine at all to me.

[JamesTheNames]

And James, you clearly still nullread me so my paranoing on a possible you/Psyche team is intensifying. Because at worst you clearly do not a have a scumcase on me, you have an NAI one and if you flip scum, yeah you’d better believe that I think Psyche could possibly be bussing you here

Why push him so hard earlier just to suddenly drop it and switch over to me? It doesn’t read genuine at all to me.

And you claim I ignore things.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@James, are you blind?

74 is fluff. You voted someone for voting Mo. That makes you town how? It's just you trying to use the pretence of a miselim to look town.
61 isn't town indicative in any way, you can be against self votes as scum and as town.
76 and 83. Well done you loosely tried pressuring Clark.
None of these are town indicative, they're NAI.
Pretending they are for a moment, is it not alarming you have nothing for nearly 400 posts, that you deem town sided?

Did you even bother clicking that link? I think it’s definitely scummy that you refuse to critically look at anything that clearly torpedoes your case. If you were town here. I would expect that to actually matter.

Meta isn't valid, the only thing it torpedoes is your town case, the fact how you refuse to read or analyse and just rely on meta.

Your entire bs fake case on me is based off of fucking meta!

[Nancy Drew 39]

And James, you clearly still nullread me so my paranoing on a possible you/Psyche team is intensifying. Because at worst you clearly do not a have a scumcase on me, you have an NAI one and if you flip scum, yeah you’d better believe that I think Psyche could possibly be bussing you here

Why push him so hard earlier just to suddenly drop it and switch over to me? It doesn’t read genuine at all to me.

And you claim I ignore things.

Why did you not answer me? Pushing your bs non-existent scumcase while ignoring my questions.

[JamesTheNames]

Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?

Answer this.

[JamesTheNames]

The question in 484 you don't have patience, I was finding quotes.

I can't even just be stubborn about this, I genuinely didn't see that one line by Val89, or at least didn't process it. This is why you sleep when it hits 2am... my apologies Psyche.

482 I'm not opening it.
481 was already answered, just you asking it again.
No I am not blind.
461 was answered.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?

Answer this.

No, you first, I have 0 intention of allowing you or anyone else in any game ever get away with such a blatantly obvious shitpush on me.

You answer. I made it easy for you by actually posting a link.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

Why are you refusing to read an ISO where I pretty much did the exact same thing you’re wrongly sr me in that game?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The question in 484 you don't have patience, I was finding quotes.

I can't even just be stubborn about this, I genuinely didn't see that one line by Val89, or at least didn't process it. This is why you sleep when it hits 2am... my apologies Psyche.

482 I'm not opening it.
481 was already answered, just you asking it again.
No I am not blind.
461 was answered.

If you won’t open that link, you’re either horribly bad town or scum, which is it?

[JamesTheNames]

Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?

Answer this.

No, you first, I have 0 intention of allowing you or anyone else in any game ever get away with such a blatantly obvious shitpush on me.

You answer. I made it easy for you by actually posting a link.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

Why are you refusing to read an ISO where I pretty much did the exact same thing you’re wrongly sr me in that game?

For 1. Meta is not valid.
For 2. I answered with a question you won't answer because you cannot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, I’m good with my vote on you then.

[JamesTheNames]

The question in 484 you don't have patience, I was finding quotes.

I can't even just be stubborn about this, I genuinely didn't see that one line by Val89, or at least didn't process it. This is why you sleep when it hits 2am... my apologies Psyche.

482 I'm not opening it.
481 was already answered, just you asking it again.
No I am not blind.
461 was answered.

If you won’t open that link, you’re either horribly bad town or scum, which is it?

You want me to waste my time with an inefficient method? That makes me "horribly bad town or scum"?

[JamesTheNames]

Okay, I’m good with my vote on you then.

Time to see which everyone else prefers I guess. Refusing to read a cherry picked game for an unreliable method. Or refusal to interact with the game and to form reads which aren't OMGUS.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If someone does pretty much the same thing every game, then it’s clearly NAI and you haven’t given a single reason to sr me which isn’t literally based on playstyle. Vanderscamp actually recognized that he had been wrongly sr me based off of playstyle but then he was town and and genuinely interested in correctly parsing me.

[Roden]

Nancy, you're panicking like someone who is in hammer range. Pretty sure James is getting elim'd today at this rate.

I’ve been miselimed before. In Timeshift, I had 3 votes on my slot and handled that completely differently. Want to guess how that turned out? I got run up and 2 days later the slot that correctly hard tr me also got miselimed.

So being chill about viotes only got me miselimed,

Wait are you at E-2? I thought someone unvoted. If not then ok this is valid.

I'm having a hard time following what you find fishy about my reads around you nancy but I think we're just reading the situations differently. I think the case against you is not very good, but I will not rule out the possibility that you're scum. I can see why a position like that might seem opportunistic for scum, but it's also what I'm sincerely feeling atm. I sure wish I could put that one emoji right here. The one with the shrugging.

Why does scum!me voice concern about a possible miselim on Mo, unless you actually think we’re buddies , what possible scum motivation could I possibly have?

And if anyone is going to claim some kind of bs towncred, then I ask why would I have even needed that since no one was even sr me at the time. I’m asking you Psyche, if you’re town to explain the scum motivation in ANY of my posts.

Hate to bring up T3 in 2065 again. But this is actually exactly what he did in that game. He was a top town read yet still saved a townie from E-1 on Day 1 by making a meta case for them (as well as fake softing Masons). So I wouldn't rule that out here.

[Roden]

In any case, I'm inclined to stick to my current reads. Nancy shouldn't be today's elim over James.

[JamesTheNames]

If someone does pretty much the same thing every game, then it’s clearly NAI and you haven’t given a single reason to sr me which isn’t literally based on playstyle. Vanderscamp actually recognized that he had been wrongly sr me based off of playstyle but then he was town and and genuinely interested in correctly parsing me.

Nancy claims that, at a point in time, there was at least 1 scum on GrandpaMo's wagon. At that point in time, Lunarrest, ClarkBar, Psyche and T3 were all on or hovering about the Wagon. In the same post she claims its neither ClarkBar nor Lunarrest. Meaning T3 or Psyche. Her next post implies she thinks T3 is a town lean, she also said "Psyche’s probably town.", so if the scum were to be Psyche here in her eyes, it changed after 190 Basically I just think what she said was fluff to claim she has ideas of who is scum and who isn't.

While having an alt and keeping it to yourself isn't scummy, hiding information from town is when the information benefits town. I also think meta reliance, not meta as a guideline but meta reliance, is inherently scummy, it just provides fake reasoning, making it look like you're inputting when you aren't at all.

After ISOing Nancy I can actually see a Nancy/GrandpaMo team being a thing, Her whole reasoning for being against the Mo wagon was Meta, and 147 just seems too convenient, as if she told Mo how to act in a mafia PM, then can just brush away everything Mo did or didn't do under the rug of Meta.

Unfortunately if you couldn't tell I thoroughly dislike and don't support Meta-reliant reads.

Also the vote on Val89 just feels like revenge voting from my perspective. Is it OMGUS? I can't remember which the right acronym is, but the one which is like "you voted me you SCUM!".

UNVOTE: Psyche
VOTE: Nancy Drew 39

Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?

370 explains how basically nothing you've done is town sided. The only potential town sided action you've done, is explain a game mechanic to Lunarrest, but that's NAI. You're entire reason for being against the Mo wagon was meta. You're reason you should be seen as town according to you is meta. The reason I'm wrong about you in your eyes is meta. You post one single link, expecting that to encompass all of the games you've ever played, when for one every game is different, I've had a look around random games and I haven't seen many as anti-meta as me, that will give you new interactions you haven't done before. There are 38 options for the role you get and the column/row we're in total. You'd need to supply at least 38 games to cover all options. Then there's a huge player base which will make all games different. Your meta nonsense refuses to take this into account.
Not to mention what is stopping you from providing 1 convenient game, going, look how I acted here, I'm acting the same, then acting differently?
Absolutely nothing.

When I die, please yeet this into the stratosphere and if it flips scum, then flip Psyche next. Psyche has played with me before in Forest Fire, so he’s read on me is also bs.

Is there anything in your eyes you've done this entire game which is town sided? If so do tell, or is your entire town case going to be "So and so played in a game with me before so they should know town me does this/doesn't do this"?

Anyone with eyes, who can read should be able to tell I’m town here. Why did I make that post about miseliiming Mo? Other than concern that he may be miselimed?

Please explain to me why scum!me does that?

In fact, other than the votes on players who have voted/sr me, what else do you see as even remotely scummy? Because none of that is even remotely scum indicative for me.

Simple towncred until the pretence of avoiding a mislim. This isn't to say you and Mo are necessarily buddies, although it isn't impossible. There doesn't necessarily have to be multiple reasons for a scum action, it can be as simple as trying to look townie and to allow you to hide. Playing passively instead of scum hunting, which you are doing, would definitely suit the theme of fake concern of a miselim.

Apologies for the quote wall but you're wrong. Again. My entire opinion of your plays have no previous game to impact them. Every opinion and thought about you I've derived myself from things in this game. Everything has come from things you have said and done this game. If you do towny things you get town cred. If you don't you get scum cred.


Your entire 2 reasons for voting me is because I'm voting you and that you think my vote and opinion on meta is invalid. That isn't justified from reads or playstyle its just OMGUS.