Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[pj harvey dent]

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Votecount 1.11

[5] Satoru Nakata:

Ydrasse, Amy Dunne, clidd, Infinity 324, Morning Tweet

[1] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner

[1] Chara:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1] Ircher:

Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Chara

[1] clidd:

Robert M Hunter

[1] Infinity 324:

NorwegianboyEE

[1] Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

[1] Not Voting:

Ircher

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Amy Dunne]

yup

Care to share?

As Pooky said, he’s acting crazy but I read it as he actually seems to believe what he’s saying and please don’t ask me to explain it.

I think he actually tries as scum.

[Robert M Hunter]

I can't read crazy people

You seem like a nice guy, I will try to dial it down, but if other players ask me to dial it up, I may entertain that too. The crazy is at 7/10 at the moment.

[Robert M Hunter]

Nakata thinks trying to create townblocs is scummy.

I strongly disagree with this. We are early in the game and it's not a good idea for scum to choke out their voting options by claiming a town block, especially one that contains controversial elements (me), and in such an easy going manner.

[Chara]

weekend v/la

should still have time to post but it's preemptive.

[Chara]

lol i knew robert was town

what made you sure Robert was town from that?

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet continuing to interrogate Robert in the manner of 776 and 778 means that Morning Tweet is presenting as being unsure of his alignment

That's wrong! I think Robert is evaluating clidd / his defenders incorrectly, but that does NOT mean I am questioning his alignment! I am free to disagree with the thought processes of anybody, no?

And i actually think it's more important to devote time debating and changing minds with your townreads

[Morning Tweet]

lol i knew robert was town

what made you sure Robert was town from that?

wait from his wagon reaction or from earlier back in the game? It was a hunch back then but now it's pretty strong. I'll probably elaborate on why his reaction comes off as towny later if that's what u mean

[Ydrasse]

mt day1 town block with me

[Morning Tweet]

@Morning

Could you describe the transition from your past and current impression of Nakata before the vote? Did you have any influence from a particular post (quote) or was it a spontaneous conclusion? (considering that the vote took place late).

No impression of Nakata in the past, i cannot remember a transition. It's because I wanted to slip off Chara wagon onto a wagon i have higher hopes for -- in this case, it was cause i disapprove of Robert wagon and i like ydrasse/infy/whoever was voting nakata.

But I dont have much impression of nakata themself yet and am hoping to obtain that

[Morning Tweet]

mt day1 town block with me

consider it done

[Chara]

Nakata thinks trying to create townblocs is scummy.

I strongly disagree with this. We are early in the game and it's not a good idea for scum to choke out their voting options by claiming a town block, especially one that contains controversial elements (me), and in such an easy going manner.

from his later reaction, since it sounds like you were reacting to that. i'm kind of in agreement with Tanner that i didn't really get much from Robert returning and being angry, so my first thought was your confidence seemed like too much. but it looks like players besides you are in agreement on that (Robert being towny) so explaining what you're seeing would be helpful to me.

[Chara]

wrong quote, was wanting to reply to Tweetie.

[Chara]

@Morning

Could you describe the transition from your past and current impression of Nakata before the vote? Did you have any influence from a particular post (quote) or was it a spontaneous conclusion? (considering that the vote took place late).

No impression of Nakata in the past, i cannot remember a transition. It's because I wanted to slip off Chara wagon onto a wagon i have higher hopes for -- in this case, it was cause i disapprove of

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet continuing to interrogate Robert in the manner of 776 and 778 means that Morning Tweet is presenting as being unsure of his alignment

That's wrong! I think Robert is evaluating clidd / his defenders incorrectly, but that does NOT mean I am questioning his alignment! I am free to disagree with the thought processes of anybody, no?

And i actually think it's more important to devote time debating and changing minds with your townreads

Satoru: 771 a few posts previous has Tweetie giving a hard townread on Robert, and the interrogation posts you're pointing to don't really look interrogative at all to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My room is so hot. I’m dying.
Norwegians weren’t meant to endure heat waves.
Urghhhhhh

[Chara]

i need to stop trying to quote things on mobile.

[Morning Tweet]

Being angry, sure, enh. My townread mostly comes from the progression of accusations he made which were very nonsensical and contradictory but extremely reminiscent of town reactions I've seen in previous games

Robert was actually concerned that his defenders were scum so he didnt know what to do (I do this myself as town a lot). He accused his attackers. He accused like everyone -- and sure it came across as genuine to me yeah. and of course it lines up with the read i already had. i currently would be most surprised if he flips scum

Also like i havent gotten suuuper into the case against him but like his push on Tanner earlier being awkward/bad certainly didnt come across as scummy to me

[Morning Tweet]

i think scum screws up sometimes but i am kinda failing to see what was explicitly scummy about Robert's play. I'll devote more time to reading that when I can

D1 TOWNBLOCCCCCC GOOOOOOOOOOOOKGKG

[Chara]

I'm actually more suspicious of the players defending me, because it's blatantly obvious that I won't survive into the night to use my power, and it's very safe for them to say I'm town when they know I'm town.

I feel shitting scum reading the only players that read me correctly, so I'm very conflicted.

Anyway, if I could be a ghost after I get eliminated, that's where I'd look. The players that defended me.

Objectively there are no reasons to town read me that hold water.

But then, the reasons to scum read me seem very opportunistic. Why are players hung up scum-reading me into page 25 or so, because they pretend to be baffled that I didn't know that Datisi = Tanner? They are hanging on to this notion because they know I'm the easy player to eliminate because I work all day long and don't have the leisure to play all day and defend myself immediately, so that false accusations simmer.

i do like 738, but then i read 741 and the indecision feels like when i'm scum and don't know which angle is the best one to take, so i go for indecision/the uninformed look.

but as i'm typing that out, rather than indecision it was more like attacking both sides, both the players that scumread him and the ones that townread him for seemingly no reason, and scum Robert really has no incentive to flail around between the two options, and then shoot at clidd who iirc was on his side.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m not particularly impressed with how Nakata responded to either his wagon or his Robert read. Tanner actually seems to have conviction but is still willing to re-evaluate but Nakata doesn’t really seem willing to do that and if he’s so convinced on Robert!scum, why pivot to Tweetie? But he seems not to care what Robert is, only that he’s limbait or something. Also another think that bothers me is he’s emotionally flat about everything. He has given us no reason to unvote him.

And why is townblocking scummy?

[Chara]

of Robert's defenders i would say clidd has put in the most work for articulating why Robert is town and arguing against that elim. Robert voting there doesn't make sense after the fact but, in the moment there is a tendency to hyperfocus on the loudest voices so i can kind of see how that decision happened.

[Amy Dunne]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35622


This is scum!Robert being run up. His reaction is completely different wouldn’t you say?

[Chara]

it's so different it feels like a different player running the account. at that point my first thought is that the difference is not just alignment and might have a lot to do with environmental factors too. i don't believe that alignment is the only reason for dramatic differences between games.

[Chara]

like, i have repped in as scum in a doomed slot before (i don't know if that's the case in the linked game) and my demeanor was completely different to how i've responded as scum in other situations, i didn't have an emotional connection to the game for one.

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata thinks townbloccing is different to trying to force a townbloc which is what Nakata thinks Morning Tweet was doing.

Nakata thinks Amy Dunne’s take on him is insincere and is twisting to try and justify her voting him. See, for instance, her trying to portray Nakata’s muted affect as scummy.