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[Gamma Emerald]

Andres too

[VFP]

yeah I think Titus is town
I BELIEVE VFP and kyouko should know why

I have no idea why.
Tell me.

no. figure it out yourself. StD should also know, but I forgot to mention him because I had this citation in mind already when looking at those two Rathe posts and my reason I was going to cite it was because I was thinking those were @ StD in which case I was gonna call StD out a bit on an oversight

I don't see it.

This is just what happened.

Gamma - Titus is town and VFP knows why
VFP - why?
Gamma - I'm not telling you

Honestly, you're not helping me change to you not being scum.

Also, Andre should be an obvious town to you Gamma.

[Gamma Emerald]

why is andres obvtown
and like, based on the names I've called out you should be able to whittle down what game I'm speaking of

[VFP]

why is andres obvtown
and like, based on the names I've called out you should be able to whittle down what game I'm speaking of

Figure it out yourself.

I don't think I've been in a game with all of those names you said at once, but I may be wrong.
At least tell me the name of the game.

[VFP]

In fact to my check we have 1 completed game where I replaced in and Titus wasn't in?

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus wasn't in the game, otherwise I would have cited that name (albeit there's two other I haven't mentioned from it yet)
It's not a play based reason but a setup-based one. It's why my eyes were drawn to those two Rathe posts I quoted.

[VFP]

Is it a Gypyx game?

[Gamma Emerald]

no, but it is a recently completed mini normal

[VFP]

Just say the game then?

[Dwlee99]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642

Is it this one? I want to know the reasoning here

[VFP]

I don't get the argument if that game?

Gamma was an enabler for town and scum.
If that's what he's going with, then its failing to change my mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

the argument is specifically based on the fact the town role I enabled had multiple parts, one of which I enabled
I think with the way cyrus' roles works it makes even more sense for Titus to be town given how her death would unfetter his role
If Titus is scum, then I doubt she's trueclaiming
so honestly I guess it's not a point in favor of her being town but it being a scum fakeclaim doesn't feel sensible

[VFP]

I actually mis read Gamma with the original post actually.
I thought Gamma was saying I should town read Titus there.

If it helps. I didn't even know you flipped as the role you did in that game.
But regardless, it's irrelevant, different mod, different roles, different enabler type.

We don't k ow what the informative role knows. It could simply be that there is a babysitter. Although I don't think so.

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda figured you might have missed my flip given how confused you were

and yeah the informed role could be that a babysitter exists
tbh this is why I dislike informed scum as a role, if you want to give scum extra info but not give it to town make it a factional thing so town doesn't have to pour out gallons of WIFOM over it

[Dragon of the West]

Dwlee where is your PoE at now? You were on Andre before STD but when you switched I wasn't sure if you dropped Andre from the PoE

[Dwlee99]

T3
ChaosOmega
Andresvmb
Titus

Is my current PoE I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I kinda think I get what VFP means when he says Andres should be townread
why are people scumreading Andres?

[Dwlee99]

I found some of Andre's posts townie sounding but I don't like how he keeps deferring to the game being too long or unreadable.

Also I kinda think I get what VFP means when he says Andres should be townread
why are people scumreading Andres?

I think that was sarcasm. SoD2 I felt like his push on me was really bad and he kind of just sat the last half of day two out when the Anya/Osuka wagon was forming. I think he scumread Osuka day one but I don't think placed his vote on it day two.

[Gamma Emerald]

he keeps deferring to the game being too long or unreadable.

okay yeah this sounds p bad

[Dwlee99]

Btw my PoE list means for today. Anya isn't there because PT cop checks her tonight. VFP can you towncaae chaos?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw my PoE list means for today. Anya isn't there because PT cop checks her tonight. VFP can you towncaae chaos?

A better term for what you posted would be "lim order"

[Dwlee99]

Well those four names aren't in preference order.

[Dragon of the West]

I'll have to re-read to find the posts to quote but I felt like Andre jumped back and forth between reads at will. I remember for a while he said he wanted to nuke my slot, then he needed to re-read as if I was town with DGB, then he made reads based on DGB and me being town, then he went back to hating my slot, then he had a post or 2 where he thought my actions were town, then he hated my slot again. Maybe I'm tunneling on it a bit because it's been his reads on me specifically that have shifted so much, but it's pinged me. And some of his scumreads lists involves me being scum without DGB being scum which makes NO sense. DGB and I are tied at the hip, but he totally left DGB off some lists that included me as scum. I'll go through his ISO to check my memory and quote posts after I make and eat dinner

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyo - you're a wasted vote right now. How do you feel about the two competing wagons?

Leaning toward Titus right now, I was reading the two isos a couple days ago, and same as t3 she's pushing on anya and I as scum still because of the neighbors thing but I feel like I've been open about why I went along with Anya's neighborhood claim and I think her voyeur claim is believable as well. So I dont understand the suspicion specifically around the neighbors - I cant remember if anya claimed before cyrus or not as the game has been kind of dragging this day phase, but voyeur does make sense with the combined bs/vig.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think DGB needs to be hard ignored regardless. And I don’t understand the impulse to consolidate on STD here.

Dgb and dotw are masons though