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[Gamma Emerald]

also what about my play reads as "scripted" like omfg that's the most ridiculous thing I've seen yet

[nomnomnom]

also what about my play reads as "scripted" like omfg that's the most ridiculous thing I've seen yet

Classic LOL defense!
It's over for you gammy-kun uwu

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I've personally never mentioned you being scum with Elsa. I just think you're scummy in a vacuum!

Really?

Despite my little comment about the half-baked PoE earlier? Seems you do have some reason to think me scum with Elsa. So go on, show just how despicable of a scum partner you believe me to be!

That's dunn's point, not mine. And your reaction to this entire point is a big reason why I scumread you.
And it's not necessarily because you're Elsa's partner. I think the source of your frustration is that you're scum that isn't actually partnered with elsa and frustrated they're getting limmed because people read you as scum with Elsa because that wouldn't be the case. In short, scum caught for the wrong reason!
There are still other things pointing to you as scum, but I hope that answers your question
pedit: I know A50 to be a bit more confident than to basically be scared to vote people in case he gets it wrong, I know we just played Screaming together and that demoralized him quite a bit but it's still uncharacteristic

A50 and I are rather close so I think I'm more qualified to speak for whether something is characteristic of him, and I would say that post is.
as for being "caught for the wrong reason", you never established any pretense of that before

[nomnomnom]

But you know I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here:
What's making you vote Dunn over, say, Kitty?
I mean you checked Kitty for a reason right? So what's going on with that read?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I've read it, and I see your actions as scum motivated but you seem to disagree, so I'm giving you a chance to show me I'm wrong

pedit: well if you're from that scum faction that would be pretty bad wouldn't it?

Also I've personally never mentioned you being scum with Elsa. I just think you're scummy in a vacuum!

Really?

Despite my little comment about the half-baked PoE earlier? Seems you do have some reason to think me scum with Elsa. So go on, show just how despicable of a scum partner you believe me to be!

That's dunn's point, not mine. And your reaction to this entire point is a big reason why I scumread you.

And it's not necessarily because you're Elsa's partner. I think the source of your frustration is that you're scum that isn't actually partnered with elsa and frustrated they're getting limmed because people read you as scum with Elsa because that wouldn't be the case.

In short, scum caught for the wrong reason!
There are still other things pointing to you as scum, but I hope that answers your question
pedit: I know A50 to be a bit more confident than to basically be scared to vote people in case he gets it wrong, I know we just played Screaming together and that demoralized him quite a bit but it's still uncharacteristic

these do not track at all

[Gamma Emerald]

But you know I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here:
What's making you vote Dunn over, say, Kitty?
I mean you checked Kitty for a reason right? So what's going on with that read?

I'm voting Dunn because he's more actively scum than Kitty at this moment
plus, yaknow, would rather not be having a vanity vote rn

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what, I have a question for YOU. You've pretty steadily said I'm scummy past a certain point, but never given solid reasons as to why. I'm calling your bluff. What exactly do you think I've been doing that's scummy, and what's the underlying scum motivation behind it?

[nomnomnom]

But you know I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here:
What's making you vote Dunn over, say, Kitty?
I mean you checked Kitty for a reason right? So what's going on with that read?

I'm voting Dunn because he's more actively scum than Kitty at this moment
plus, yaknow, would rather not be having a vanity vote rn

Okay, so what's your read on Kitty?

you know what, I have a question for YOU. You've pretty steadily said I'm scummy past a certain point, but never given solid reasons as to why. I'm calling your bluff. What exactly do you think I've been doing that's scummy, and what's the underlying scum motivation behind it?

I've said it before. Your entire dayplay today has been quite scummy, you read as a bit panicky, and that GS claim was especially scummy in the way it happened.
You also have shifty stances when re-reading your iso. It doesn't feel decisive at all on a lot of slots, namely kitty.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think kitty is scummy
and I will admit my stances during D1 weren't many but I wouldn't call them shifty. I think my kitty stance has steadily been finding them suspicious, especially past the three post I called out. Besides that, your entire scumread seems based on my D2 play which doesn't mesh with what you've previously said about me.

[nomnomnom]

You're right that there were also elements in day 1 that made me think you're scum, and I've pointed it out when it happened there as well

[Gamma Emerald]

when it happened you say?

[Gamma Emerald]

scumpings from gamma

your only mention of finding anything from me scummy D1
wanna run that by me again?

[nomnomnom]

Regardless of any of this, your vote on Dunn is bad. All the votes on Dunn are pretty bad. I can somewhat understand HEM thinking he's a god that found a slip, but your vote and Nero's vote are just pretty bad. Dunn is obviously town to me here and has been actively sorting for a while, both yesterday and today. There's nothing that point to scum!dunn here. But you're free to make your case.
pedit: sure!
I said that because you came off as frustrated over jokes being posted and tonally speaking it feels scummy especially coming from a player like you.
That's mainly what pinged me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I read the thread.
Votes on Dunn and Cyrus are atrocious, both are obviously town here, come on.
Monkey my dood my bro I love your style but your slip on Dunn is bad, Dunn is trying to solve here and it's pretty obvious from my POV. Probably town
Gamma's pretty scummy all around from all his actions this game and only started scumreading Dunn when he realized the PoE was tightening around him.
VOTE: Gamma

While we're here, who was neighborized by T3? Maybe we should confirm that claim.

I got neighborized by T3.

and don't try to walk this back now either

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless of any of this, your vote on Dunn is bad. All the votes on Dunn are pretty bad. I can somewhat understand HEM thinking he's a god that found a slip, but your vote and Nero's vote are just pretty bad. Dunn is obviously town to me here and has been actively sorting for a while, both yesterday and today. There's nothing that point to scum!dunn here. But you're free to make your case.
pedit: sure!
I said that because you came off as frustrated over jokes being posted and tonally speaking it feels scummy especially coming from a player like you.
That's mainly what pinged me.

nah that wasn't the vibe I was aiming for

this was the vibe I had in mind

[Almost50]

@Gamma: the very fact that Dunn is semi-active in this game should be an indicator he's not scum

@nom: if interested, I can explain my "mood" at this time, but i don't think it'd benefit anyone, as it's not purely related to just the game of Mafia (I.e. there are other IRL reasons involved), but don't you worry, as i will bounce back in no time (just as soon as this heat wave is over, my land line is restored, I've gotten more sleep than 5 hours in the past 40 hours or so... etc)

That -of course- on top of what you already witnessed (the game related part).

Actually, if the phone guy is telling the truth (and he rarely is) then 50% of my problems should be solved in the next 3 hours. Just keep your fingers crossed for me

[nomnomnom]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
pedit: it's okay A50, tbh I'm mostly concerned about your wellbeing because this is obviously not game related and I care about you as a person and I find games with you enjoyable, so it kinda hurts me to see you like this. Hope you feel better my dude

[Nero Cain]

A50 are u suggesting that Dunn is only active as town and inactive as scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless of any of this, your vote on Dunn is bad. All the votes on Dunn are pretty bad. I can somewhat understand HEM thinking he's a god that found a slip, but your vote and Nero's vote are just pretty bad. Dunn is obviously town to me here and has been actively sorting for a while, both yesterday and today. There's nothing that point to scum!dunn here. But you're free to make your case.
pedit: sure!
I said that because you came off as frustrated over jokes being posted and tonally speaking it feels scummy especially coming from a player like you.
That's mainly what pinged me.

I haven't really felt dunn's presence until late D1, which initially made me suspect he was lurky scum, which is something I tend to see from him
after he started being active however he's shown a horribly unbalanced drive to sort the game that clearly focuses on the werewolf team over the mafia team, and I think HEM does have a point about the slip that Dunnstral was way too confident in what the mafia should have done. I also have picked up a few individual posts I don't like that I think come from scum

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: the very fact that Dunn is semi-active in this game should be an indicator he's not scum

he didn't really feel active until later into D1 though, and I think his ISO when you look at ISO number vs. post number should corroborate this

[humaneatingmonkey]

I've slept on it. I think Gamma is town.

Hard crumbling to A50 like that and even dropping game numbers were more dangerous to do that as scum than as town. If he was NK'd by scum!A50 and flipped Werewolf, what purpose would it have to declare what he did in twilight?

Also, I can believe the GS claim. It was done early enough.

Dunn's conviction that Gamma was the scum was nonsense.

Monkey my dood my bro I love your style but your slip on Dunn is bad, Dunn is trying to solve here and it's pretty obvious from my POV. Probably town

How is it bad? Dunn solving could just be explained as a bussing teammate trying to cement the narrative that scum never bussed. Elsa's wagon was not going to die, even with the fake switch up in the end. Notably, no one tried to take Elsa on his word for it other than cyrus62. If Elsa was indeed never bussed, I would have expected more resistance when that claim happened. Instead, we just accepted that scum never bussed and that they're outside the wagon. Why is that? It makes better sense that Werewolves were bussing at that point.

Plus, coming here D2 with 2 random dead bodies and no indication who killed who, he made a declaration that the mafia was trying to target town with no real obvious indications. That was sus and TMI as hell.

Let's elim Dunn. If he flips scum, check real hard for the mafia team on Gamma's wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think HEM does have a point about the slip that Dunnstral was way too confident in what the mafia should have done.

Thank you!

[nomnomnom]

It doesn't make sense because this is a multiball game and bussing your partner is seriously risky.
I'm fairly convinced Dunn is town from how he posted yesterday and his posts today. It's solvy. I refuse to consider him scum here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

All the votes on Dunn are pretty bad.

Tell me how Dunn is outside of his scum range here.

[Almost50]

A50 are u suggesting that Dunn is only active as town and inactive as scum?

I am. In fact, as far as I can remember his low level activity is NAI, but when he is active he is more likely town