MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Galron]

There are too many non-voters.

I feel wheme on xlos, but I'm feeling a little better about him lately, but that may just be because he said my iso didn't suck. I want to launch in {nomnomnom, mathblade}. I think nom is probably town because of the claim, but I can kind of see mathblade's logic in wanting to go there today; go with the guilty. Conversely and perversely I suppose I want to launch mathblade because of what I said before. He's aciting just like he did in the mbos game. He's got a plan he's dead sure will work, and he's hyperposting, albeit a condensed sort of hyperposting. wrt nom v dgb I can kind of understand why xlos wants to launch DGB beforeo nom, but I'm more convinced DGB is playing their town game and I don't have a meta on nom. And last time I second-guessed myself on DGB when I thought they were town I f'd up big time and daykilled her and then got power-launched. Half of you were there. So I'm still pretty sure Titus and DGB are town. Wheme and nom are probably town. I'm sticking on mathblade!scum bc he's got my haunches up more than anyone else and I think this is a rerun. But if it comes down to DGB or nom I have to go nom. Actually Wheme is kind of null town. I was thinking town because it seems I've been vibing with them on some things. So let's call them town.

[Titus]

There are too many non-voters.

Why? I don't feel inclined to vote anyone until Tuesday or unless I get more time to get thoughts going.

@A50/MathBlade, I see you both there.

@A50, What are your thoughts of Xlos trying to get everyone to claim what branch of math we were?

[Almost50]

@A50, What are your thoughts of Xlos trying to get everyone to claim what branch of math we were?[/quote]

Ok..I guess me messing up quotes is going to be an issue for a while, but anyway..

I ignored on d2 and explained why but the really odd think of Xlos is now pushing for wanting more flavor claims out of already outed PRs, when 2 of them had already claimed their respective flavours, one is presumably out of shots, and one is merely "informed".

Talk about subconscious guilt projection.

Also to elsborate: let's say I know your flavor. If I die today/tonight I would have not benefited from my info at all. I want you to claim your flavor so -if you're scum- I could either catch you in a lie (and my death would not be in vain) or lock you with your true flavour so you can't change it conveniently in late game

I don't even see what the flavor would suggest about the role. Like, all tests can be interpreted as investigative roles if the mod wanted to yet I myself am not

[nomnomnom]

I think A50's idea is sound enough.
I already claimed Prime Number Theorem so my cards are already on the table

[DrippingGoofball]

How we are letting a player get away who claimed miller AFTER getting caught is a mystery to me.

[nomnomnom]

??
I claimed my role seeing that you tried strongarming people into a fast lim on me, I had no choice but to claim
If you're trying to say that I only claimed miller because I thought you had a guilty, then explain to me how I magically conjured up the perfect claim to counter your specific type of guilty as scum. I would have to have pretty telepathic abilities to do that, don't you think?
I'm just miller, and people don't believe me because I didn't play in a way they deemed optimal. I played according to what I thought was best for my role. That is all.

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to paranoia on DGB actually being scum with a rolecop here, would make sense as to how it pushed me and literally doesn't want to reconsider a cop guilty when I claimed miller before it even said what type of guilty it had
it's possible, am I going full paranoid here?? ergh

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #7

DrippingGoofball (0):
Xlos (1): WhemeStar (654)
Almost50 (1): Xlos (765)
Jake the Wolfie (0):
MathBlade (2): Galron (724), Almost50 (762)
Titus (0):

nomnomnom (4) (F-2): DrippingGoofball (466), Titus (661), Toogeloo (670), T3 (671)

Not Voting (3): MathBlade, Jake the Wolfie (665), nomnomnom (718)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Friday, July 2, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-02 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Sunday, July 11, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-11 21:45:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: theslimer3 : They/them
8: T3 : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them
13: nomnomnom : He/him

[Titus]

I'm starting to paranoia on DGB actually being scum with a rolecop here, would make sense as to how it pushed me and literally doesn't want to reconsider a cop guilty when I claimed miller before it even said what type of guilty it had
it's possible, am I going full paranoid here?? ergh

Why wouldn't DGB just claim tracker or watcher then?

[Titus]

??
I claimed my role seeing that you tried strongarming people into a fast lim on me, I had no choice but to claim
If you're trying to say that I only claimed miller because I thought you had a guilty, then explain to me how I magically conjured up the perfect claim to counter your specific type of guilty as scum. I would have to have pretty telepathic abilities to do that, don't you think?
I'm just miller, and people don't believe me because I didn't play in a way they deemed optimal. I played according to what I thought was best for my role. That is all.

Cop is the most common type of guilty. Your team could have investigated DGB as well.

[Titus]

@A50

Intermediate Value Theorem

[MathBlade]

@A50

Intermediate Value Theorem

So we’re doing this? *sigh*

Mean Value Theorem

Crumbed several times.

I still note my objection this is stupid.

[MathBlade]

That kinda looks like disagreement to me. All I did was state my opinion on this.

I think your suggestion is antitown. I asked Titus for input in case I missed something.

You’re more than welcome to vote me for being an obstinate meanie but that won’t add any value to your hypothesis or turn it into a theorem.

I think your role is effectively a named Townie. And it’s okay those exist in games. If Titus disagrees then I would love to hear why. That’s all.

Most obvious one. I was trying to answer A50 so he would shut up and stop asking about flavor as I suspect he would have mine because reasons.

[T3]

My flavorname is Second Derivative.

[Titus]

@A50

Intermediate Value Theorem

So we’re doing this? *sigh*

Mean Value Theorem

Crumbed several times.

I still note my objection this is stupid.

Where?

Also why?

[MathBlade]

@A50

Intermediate Value Theorem

So we’re doing this? *sigh*

Mean Value Theorem

Crumbed several times.

I still note my objection this is stupid.

Where?

Also why?

Where to what? My objection to this was noted several times and even to the point A50 voted me.
I literally quoted my most obvious crumb if I have to underline words I can.

And why? Flavor seems indicative of *things*

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to paranoia on DGB actually being scum with a rolecop here, would make sense as to how it pushed me and literally doesn't want to reconsider a cop guilty when I claimed miller before it even said what type of guilty it had
it's possible, am I going full paranoid here?? ergh

Why wouldn't DGB just claim tracker or watcher then?

If it did then it would have proven to be lying by now and it would have gotten limmed instead, you've answered your own question

??
I claimed my role seeing that you tried strongarming people into a fast lim on me, I had no choice but to claim
If you're trying to say that I only claimed miller because I thought you had a guilty, then explain to me how I magically conjured up the perfect claim to counter your specific type of guilty as scum. I would have to have pretty telepathic abilities to do that, don't you think?
I'm just miller, and people don't believe me because I didn't play in a way they deemed optimal. I played according to what I thought was best for my role. That is all.

Cop is the most common type of guilty. Your team could have investigated DGB as well.

Okay I'll play.
Let's imagine the world where I am scum here.
I got roleblocked last night by Toog, that is confirmed by them. A kill happened last night, and in a world I am scum it can't possibly come from me. So that means in that hypothetical world I am scum, you are banking your theory that the third partner had to be some sort of investigative that targeted DBG. That is very unlikely, and that wasn't was happened.
Ockam's razor says I am simply town here. Think about it two seconds.

[Xlos]

I've been skimming over the wall posts btw. You guys need to be bit more concise. My eyes tend to glaze over posts more than a paragraph long.

Yeah, I'm not really interested in reading an essay every 5 minutes just to play this game.

It's not bad that you guys are wallposting, it's just that (maybe a majority?) of us here aren't particularly interested in wallposts, and will usually skip over any of the points made in there. It's fine to post wallposts as a reference for the future, but not as a regular post.

/psa

Noted. Here is a TL;DR: Don't kill the person who claims friendly neighbor without giving them a chance to confirm themselves + risk/reward analysis for why.

Anyways, I misread at first and thought A50 wanted full claims rather than just flavor claims. But ​I'm not planning on claiming flavor, I don't think that we should.
If Ircher includes a role that makes the flavor good for town to know, then there's probably a role that makes flavor good for scum to know. And I don't believe this claim

Now that I got this out of the way, I will explain for the very last time: I am informed that "a specific something" is the flavor of "a specific someone". I don't want to say whose flavor I am informed of because that tips that specific someone to say the truth about their flavor and tips everyone else that they can lie about theirs.

My info is in the form of "you know that <player name>'s flavor is <specific flavor>."

I'm pretty certain that scum flavor will be distinguishable from town flavor. So if it's true, you don't really have much reason to do this big claim, you already know their alignment, and you're risking making everyone claim for nothing.

Maybe you are scum, and your info is of the form
"you know that <player flavor>'s power is <specific power>."
Or maybe you are scum, and you just want to see how people react to get info about their roles.

[Titus]

Where to what? My objection to this was noted several times and even to the point A50 voted me.
I literally quoted my most obvious crumb if I have to underline words I can.

And why? Flavor seems indicative of *things*

Where did you crumb?

If you think announcing flavor is so bad, why crumb it?
Second, you have non-mathletes in the game (at least myself) who would miss your crumbs. Since you defer to me a lot, how could you make any effort to crumb me a math concept I have likely never heard of.

Third, why did you defer to me on claiming flavor?

Fourth, I missed your stance on Xlos requesting to announce if we were algebra, geometry or calculus. What is your stance? What is your opinion of Xlos and A50?

[Titus]

@Xlos, why doesn't the argument you make against A50 apply to you seeking if people were algebra geometry or calculus?

[MathBlade]

Where to what? My objection to this was noted several times and even to the point A50 voted me.
I literally quoted my most obvious crumb if I have to underline words I can.

And why? Flavor seems indicative of *things*

Where did you crumb?

If you think announcing flavor is so bad, why crumb it?
Second, you have non-mathletes in the game (at least myself) who would miss your crumbs. Since you defer to me a lot, how could you make any effort to crumb me a math concept I have likely never heard of.

Third, why did you defer to me on claiming flavor?

Fourth, I missed your stance on Xlos requesting to announce if we were algebra, geometry or calculus. What is your stance? What is your opinion of Xlos and A50?

1) I literally quoted it earlier when I mentioned each word of my theorem and something else in a stilted way.
1b) Because I was trying to show A50 my theory without screaming it
2) That’s kinda the point of a crumb. It’s meant to not be obvious in the moment but an obvious call back later. If it’s obvious it’s a claim lmfao.
3) Because no matter how I shake this you’re town. I don’t see a way you’re scum (which frankly scares me but I need some sort of footing). I think the longer this day goes on the more damaging it is and I would just rather elim nom and be done with it. I think we end up risking giving more information to scum then what we get analysis wise here. Yes reads are important but at some point you just gotta end the day.
4) I had hinted at my stance earlier where I think scum would be some sort of stats/applied math. Until I know all the flavors I can’t say for certain though and since scum can request fake claims as A50 oh so eloquently pointed out then I think application for flavor for us is useless. Scum are the ones who know what flavor means and I would like to limit the bleeding but with how much is out there I just am shaking my head.
5) My stance on Xlos and A50 is one of them (or more) is being a town idiot. I don’t see both of them as scum. So to be frank I am focused on limiting the damage to town since in my mind we are elimming Nom and the only reason I don’t vote Nom is prevent quick hammers and you wanted until Tuesday.

[MathBlade]

There is one other blatant crumb before the A50 convo and I will only share it upon my death or e-1 it will be obvious.

I have to go to a bbq but this day is pissing me off.

[Ircher]

A day will be added to the deadline for American Independence Day, and prods are waived for today.

[Xlos]

@Xlos, why doesn't the argument you make against A50 apply to you seeking if people were algebra geometry or calculus?

A50 has a role that gives reason to believe role flavor impacts the game, I dont.
A50 is asking for specific role flavor, I was asking for something weaker.
Since peoples roles are all calculus based, anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling. Otherwise no info is leaked.

[Xlos]

@Xlos, why doesn't the argument you make against A50 apply to you seeking if people were algebra geometry or calculus?

A50 has a role that gives reason to believe role flavor impacts the game, I dont.
A50 is asking for specific role flavor, I was asking for something weaker.
Since peoples roles are all calculus based, anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling. Otherwise no info is leaked.