Got an actual case besides vague support for where you know another player is already suspicious?In post 1274, Save The Dragons wrote:I think it's just haschel here but I still want to double check when I have a chance
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So I think it's just haschel.
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Haschel comments about the vanilla townie in his opening post which at first I thought was fine but the more I think about it the weirder it is. If you're trying to draw the night kill, why claim vanilla townie? you just told scum not to kill you. nah i think it's to make people think he's town.
Haschel brings Hockeyfan to E-1 really early and says my bad and unvotes but it could have been intentional
Haschel chooses Zyla to target but keep in mind he's still scumreading strange. I think he was trying to stay off of Strangematter's mislim here while still shading them.
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Haschel starts by trying to shade Zyla some more.
Haschel votes for Hockeyfan
And that's basically all he does D3.
I think he's mostly lurking scum trying to shade Zyla when he can. I wish I could say more but Haschel doesn't do much the entire game. He has a lot of seemingly helpful posts that are actually just empty: 1059 1144 1273
He stays off of Strangematter but still is suspicious of them, adding fuel to the fire. More desperate on D3, he makes sure he piles onto Hockey's wagon for Hockey's mislim. That's what I think is happening.
I don't think there's any interaction between haschel and luke. Luke throws a vote on haschel and puts him at e-1 for not talking but quickly gets off, probably knowing haschel's not going to get eliminated for just not talking and making sure to get off quickly anyway.
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I have already said that I never claimed VT; I was answering an RQS question. I've explained this several times and the fact you are still harping on it is weird.In post 1276, Save The Dragons wrote:D1-
Haschel comments about the vanilla townie in his opening post which at first I thought was fine but the more I think about it the weirder it is. If you're trying to draw the night kill, why claim vanilla townie? you just told scum not to kill you. nah i think it's to make people think he's town.
This is a game with multiple scum in it, and to find all of them we need to talk about other people. Everybody had already given stances on Strange and at the time nobody had given a stance on Zyla. I thought Zyla was scummy at the time. Obviously the case I made on Zyla was wrong. But is there ANYTHING about it that suggests it wasn't made in good faith? No there is not.Haschel chooses Zyla to target but keep in mind he's still scumreading strange. I think he was trying to stay off of Strangematter's mislim here while still shading them.- Pavowski
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Same to you.In post 1276, Save The Dragons wrote:If it's Pav, good job man, you got me fooled.
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Pav, look through STDs iso and tell me if you honestly see any scumhunting at all. My activity has been garbage but at least I’ve been trying when I’ve been here.In post 1278, Pavowski wrote:
Same to you.In post 1276, Save The Dragons wrote:If it's Pav, good job man, you got me fooled.
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I'm on mobile right now so checking an iso will be difficult, but I'll make an effort when I get home this eve.In post 1280, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Pav, look through STDs iso and tell me if you honestly see any scumhunting at all. My activity has been garbage but at least I’ve been trying when I’ve been here.In post 1278, Pavowski wrote:
Same to you.In post 1276, Save The Dragons wrote:If it's Pav, good job man, you got me fooled.
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Problem is, both of you have had periods of "garbage activity" which I don't hold against you, but it has come at times which end up looking suspicious for each of you.
On balance I still lean towards Haschel for scum but I'm willing to UNVOTE: Haschel until tonight to take another look.- Haschel Cedricson
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Your case against me is extremely thin and the reads you have given have either little/no explanation, focus on townreads, or see no follow up.In post 1281, Save The Dragons wrote:I have done scumhunting. My catchup poster d1 illuminate my thoughts and I've made my case against you now. I've posted reads multiple times. My activity has been pretty bad but I've been here- Zyla
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Looking through Pav's ISO, here's the posts that stick out
83, Pavowski RVS votes Luke. NAI for the most part, but it's interesting when you note our last game together (with Luke) where the first thing that I do that gives Luke a clue that I'm scum was say that I'd RVS a scumbuddy
269, Pav reads Luke as null
803, Pav says Luke "has pinged me in a distinctly scummy way."
807, Pav says about Luke/Haschel "I'm not particularly scumreading either of them right now" (not that they were towny, just that they weren't scummy)
But then comes 1040 and 1048. Pav claims that Luke has seemed town all the way. I don't see this represented in his history. Also of note is the "first scummy thing" contridicting 803
914, Pav posts voting summary, he voted for Luke (RVS), Cyrus, and Strange
Which sets up the second part of Luke's 922, and the two of them vote together
This is intriguing, because it feels like reverse tmi, as if Pav knows the truth, but says the exact opposite is the most probableIn post 917, Pavowski wrote:[...]Lack of death doesn't necessarily indicate a doctor. (Although I would admit it seems overwhelmingly likely.)- Zyla
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You know, I'm not sure you ever explained why I thought thisIn post 1206, Haschel Cedricson wrote:GonnaVote: HockeyFan; he's the most likely partner for Lukewarm.- Zyla
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You know, I'm not sure you ever explained why you thought thisIn post 1206, Haschel Cedricson wrote:GonnaVote: HockeyFan; he's the most likely partner for Lukewarm.
Looking through STDs ISO, and honestly? Nothing really stands out, for the most part his progressions on reads seem to make total sense to me.
But then looking over it adding Luke in? I don't really see any meaningful interaction between them, there's almost nothing there. But after Luke is pretty much guaranteed to go down, he starts pushing harder for STD than anyone else. Is he distancing, or just trying to get us to miselim before voting him off?- Pavowski
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I've gone back and forth over what Luke was doing with STD and me there while his time was up and I just dunno what to make of it. Like if he'd flipped town it's good cause to look at both of us, but since he flipped scum - and of course he knew he'd flip scum - what does he expect us to do with that? He can't clear 2 people, as there aren't two scum slots to clear. I just... What?In post 1288, Zyla wrote:In post 1287, Zyla wrote:
You know, I'm not sure you ever explained why you thought thisIn post 1206, Haschel Cedricson wrote:GonnaVote: HockeyFan; he's the most likely partner for Lukewarm.
Looking through STDs ISO, and honestly? Nothing really stands out, for the most part his progressions on reads seem to make total sense to me.
But then looking over it adding Luke in? I don't really see any meaningful interaction between them, there's almost nothing there. But after Luke is pretty much guaranteed to go down, he starts pushing harder for STD than anyone else. Is he distancing, or just trying to get us to miselim before voting him off?
He has to know anything he says will be measured and turned inside out. But that brings me back to Haschel, whom he mostly steers away from in those final posts. That feels tactical.
I just look at all the work Luke did to make it look like STD and I were the team, even after he was cooked. I think he was setting up miselims, and I think he was hoping to get them even after he was gone. I really can't see him bussing his scum partner like that. He was gunning for STD until I voiced some sus on him and then he turned it all on me.
So I'm back to where I started today. I'm back to Haschel.
I looked back for scum hunting from STD. I don't see a lot, but I don't see any association between them despite a fair bit of interaction. Meanwhile there is very little interaction between Luke and Haschel, almost like they're invisible to each other.Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Pav, look through STDs iso and tell me if you honestly see any scumhunting at all. My activity has been garbage but at least I’ve been trying when I’ve been here.In post 1278, Pavowski wrote:
Same to you.In post 1276, Save The Dragons wrote:If it's Pav, good job man, you got me fooled.
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