Newbie 2067 - Pizza! - End!

[Zyla]

Ggs. Still think you all played into interactions too much.

See, you say this, but in the end, I put too

little

onto STD and Luke's interactions, which is why I voted HC

[StrangeMatter]

Looking back, and I said this in dead PT, what about STD’s lack of questions. That seemed a bit scummy to me.

[StrangeMatter]

To me it seemed oddly informed for all the time he was here.

[Pavowski]

I have to say I fully expected scum!Haschel to vote me when I first cast my vote on the last day. Like, if you had, I would have been *sure* you were scum. The fact that he didn't came *that* close to making me switch my vote. As it was, I was only slightly more confident than a coin flip.

But at the same time, Haschel on that last day just didn't feel at all like Haschel at earlier points in the game. Felt to me like he was giving up, in a way. Ugh. Sorry, HC.

And well played Luke and STD.

[fferyllt]

Mod Notes: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86871
Mafia: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86872
Dead: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86873

If I gave you a personal PT and you would like it made public, let me know!

[Pavowski]

I just wanna say that Luke almost legit hurt my feelings on d2 when you turned that wall on me. To the point where it kinda made me start playing things closer to the vest, I think. I really could not get a read on you one way or the other, but I found myself feeling like you were town, and then when I thought about it I couldn't really say why, which made me think you might be scum, and round and round I went.

Anyway you threw enough garbage into the water that it worked; in the end I put a lot more stock in trying to figure out Luke, the confirmed scum, than I did trying to figure out the 2 possible scum players, which I guess was my mistake. Lesson learned?

Oof.

[Save The Dragons]

gg guys

I think Luke did a great job, he came up with most of the ideas as evidenced by the mafia PT. I'm surprised we pulled it off, we got really wrecked by the jailkeeper, but i think luke's push on me D2 really helped.

Thanks fferyllt!

[Lukewarm]

I just wanna say that Luke almost legit hurt my feelings on d2 when you turned that wall on me. To the point where it kinda made me start playing things closer to the vest, I think.

Oh....
I'm sorry :/

I mean, I was trying to frame you, but I never meant for it to hurt your feeling or anything. I made comments on that the scum team would be pushing their partner hard, right after I pushed you really hard.

I actually told STD that the path to victory was likely:
Day 3: Elim Zyla or Hockey
Day 4: Elim Pav.

HC actually a bit of a back up plan. Basically exactly what you said here:

He has to know anything he says will be measured and turned inside out. But that brings me back to Haschel, whom he mostly steers away from in those final posts. That feels tactical.

I was pretty sure that one of Zyla or Hockey had to be going down Day 3, because I had pocketed them hard enough that they both defended me at various points, and I also defended them. But for day 4, I tried to set it up so that "if they think I was scum reading/pushing my partner, then they will miselim Pav" but, on the other hand "if they think I would avoid scum reading my partner, they will miselim HC" I tried to situate my real partner kind of in the middle of that dichotomy

[Lukewarm]

gg guys

I think Luke did a great job, he came up with most of the ideas as evidenced by the mafia PT.

I'm surprised we pulled it off, we got really wrecked by the jailkeeper

, but i think luke's push on me D2 really helped.

Thanks fferyllt!

This. 100% this. Azeru nearly singlehandedly won the game for town. I was pretty sure we lost as soon as Day 2 started

What did helped us turn it around was that the very first post of Day 2 was Cyrus claiming that I did not move. -- Scum normally do not know if they were the target of the jailkeeper, or if their NK target was. But as soon as I saw that, I immediately knew exactly how both of the PRs had targeted, which helped me have a better plan for Day 2.

But even then, it was an uphill battle from the moment Azeru targeted me

[Lukewarm]

Night Actions

Night 1:

Azeru Jails Lukewarm - succeeds
cyrus62 tracks Lukewarm - succeeds. Lukewarm goes nowhere

Night 2:

Azeru jails Zyla -- succeeds
cyrus62 tracks Zyla -- succeeds (Zyla went nowhere)

Azeru and Cyrus thinking the same way both days lol

[StrangeMatter]

Really wish I could’ve gotten Town off me, but oh well.

[cyrus62]

@mod my pt can be made public

Gig well played my pt should be made public soon

[Lukewarm]

gg guys

I think Luke did a great job,

You did a great job too. You got put into a 1v6, and you managed to pull that off.

Good job man

[Pavowski]

I just wanna say that Luke almost legit hurt my feelings on d2 when you turned that wall on me. To the point where it kinda made me start playing things closer to the vest, I think.

Oh....
I'm sorry :/

Nah it's all good man. I did say almost!

What I meant was it just blindsided me that you made this huge case that "Pav is scum and here's why". I was just straight-up bamboozled. And after you dropped it, I was afraid it was gonna turn into a miselim on me there d2.

In the end though, turns out I was right to be skurrd of scum!Luke

[Lukewarm]

Really wish I could’ve gotten Town off me, but oh well.

It is hard. Once people start to doubt you, they often start looking at you more closely, which leads to them finding things to nitpick over, and doubt you even more. It is often really hard to pull it back, once a few people are suspicious -- especially in your first game.

I think you did pretty good overall, I mean you went down voting for STD day 1

[Pavowski]

gg guys

I think Luke did a great job, he came up with most of the ideas as evidenced by the mafia PT.

I'm surprised we pulled it off, we got really wrecked by the jailkeeper

, but i think luke's push on me D2 really helped.

Thanks fferyllt!

This. 100% this. Azeru nearly singlehandedly won the game for town. I was pretty sure we lost as soon as Day 2 started

What did helped us turn it around was that the very first post of Day 2 was Cyrus claiming that I did not move. -- Scum normally do not know if they were the target of the jailkeeper, or if their NK target was. But as soon as I saw that, I immediately knew exactly how both of the PRs had targeted, which helped me have a better plan for Day 2.

But even then, it was an uphill battle from the moment Azeru targeted me

I can point to several moments where Cyrus's chaos threw a monkey wrench into this game. Having him gone d4 calmed things down significantly... But I think the change of pace made me impatient, too.

[Pavowski]

Really wish I could’ve gotten Town off me, but oh well.

It's hard to do. I was just in a mini normal where I made a couple of lazy reads, got scum read for it, and got quick hammered. As soon as somebody gets their eye on you, you almost have to hope for somebody else to create a distraction to take it off.

[fferyllt]

@mod my pt can be made public

Gig well played my pt should be made public soon

Done! https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86878

[fferyllt]

Once again, thank you all for playing!

Players, you're encouraged to keep playing newbies as long as you like, of course, but I humbly suggest trying out some of the other queues, if you're feeling brave and would like to check out other game styles and sizes!

If you liked the "solve the setup" interactions with a semi-open setup like the NewD3 setup, check out the open queue!
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12853107

There's also the Micro Queue! 9 Player Maximum, and all sorts of setups!
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12868308

Prefer to keep things a little more secret, and try out a larger pond? Try the Mini Normal queue!
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12854020

Would you like to try out a high-flavor or mechanically complex game? The Mini Theme queue might be just right for you!
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12867664

[Lukewarm]

Once again, thank you all for playing!

Thanks for modding

[cyrus62]

Did either of you look at my pt

[fferyllt]

I forgot to give all of you props for this! I can't remember when (or if!) last I've modded a newbie game that didn't require a single replacement.

Good onya!

[Lukewarm]

I forgot to give all of you props for this! I can't remember when (or if!) last I've modded a newbie game that didn't require a single replacement.

Good onya!

This does make for a much better game !!

(I have seen as many as 6 replacements by the end of Day 1 in Newbie games )

[cyrus62]

Now that's dis appointing no ones talking about my pt.

[Lukewarm]

I did not think that you would like my thoughts, so I withheld them