MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #7

DrippingGoofball (0):
Xlos (1): WhemeStar (654)
Almost50 (1): Xlos (765)
Jake the Wolfie (0):
MathBlade (2): Galron (724), Almost50 (762)
Titus (0):

nomnomnom (4) (F-2): DrippingGoofball (466), Titus (661), Toogeloo (670), T3 (671)

Not Voting (3): MathBlade, Jake the Wolfie (665), nomnomnom (718)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Friday, July 2, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-02 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Monday, July 12, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-12 21:45:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.
3: A day was added for American Independence Day.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: theslimer3 : They/them
8: T3 : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them
13: nomnomnom : He/him

[DrippingGoofball]

I had no choice but to claim

YOU CLAIMED MILLER

[DrippingGoofball]

Don't kill the person who claims friendly neighbor without giving them a chance to confirm themselves + risk/reward analysis for why.

They'll "confirm" to their buddy or claim roleblock.

[nomnomnom]

I claimed my role
pedit: look listen we can make a deal and you can leash my FN to someone if you're so scared of me being scum and trying some play
at some point scums have to kill me or I'm confirmed, you're making the game easy for scums by limming me today

[nomnomnom]

Like really as much as you think my role is stupid it's my role, if I was scum making a fakeclaim it'd look way more convincing than that and I've been nommed for brilliant fakeclaims before it's not pure hubris
I came in today feeling so bad because I have the kind of role people simply won't believe because it sounds outlandish and they just see my play as bad play, but again I played like this for a reason, if I can confirm myself I don't need to claim miller and eat a vig shot in the process, good way to waste my role
just give me a chance to confirm myself and allow scums to make a mistake here, by not limming me you are forcing scums to make a decision around my slot and you'll see i'm not lying

[nomnomnom]

like we wouldn't be in this mess if toog didn't roleblock me for starters, i just got entirely shafted, people wouldn't go around claiming my play to be garbage for not claiming miller day 1 if I didn't get blocked and you did receive my FN because then you'd understand my process and understand i'm just town

[DrippingGoofball]

Like really as much as you think my role is stupid it's my role, if I was scum making a fakeclaim it'd look way more convincing than that and I've been nommed for brilliant fakeclaims before it's not pure hubris
I came in today feeling so bad because I have the kind of role people simply won't believe because it sounds outlandish and they just see my play as bad play, but again I played like this for a reason, if I can confirm myself I don't need to claim miller and eat a vig shot in the process, good way to waste my role
just give me a chance to confirm myself and allow scums to make a mistake here, by not limming me you are forcing scums to make a decision around my slot and you'll see i'm not lying

Could it be

Because you claimed miller after you got caught?

[DrippingGoofball]

like we wouldn't be in this mess if toog didn't roleblock me for starters, i just got entirely shafted, people wouldn't go around claiming my play to be garbage for not claiming miller day 1 if I didn't get blocked and you did receive my FN because then you'd understand my process and understand i'm just town

If you were town, you'd be screaming that Toog is a scum roleblocker.

[DrippingGoofball]

I have succumbed to the temptation and suggested they might be a scum RB before, myself.

[nomnomnom]

like we wouldn't be in this mess if toog didn't roleblock me for starters, i just got entirely shafted, people wouldn't go around claiming my play to be garbage for not claiming miller day 1 if I didn't get blocked and you did receive my FN because then you'd understand my process and understand i'm just town

If you were town, you'd be screaming that Toog is a scum roleblocker.

Why would a scum roleblocker claim they blocked me it makes literally no sense
Like if they're a scum roleblocker that blocked my ass why would they come forward and say they roleblocked me? Claiming they roleblocked me here actually feels pretty town to me, scum would just happy to let me get limmed and entertain the theory that I'm just a lying bitch lmao, the only thing claiming a roleblock on me does is proving I'm not lying about any of this shit and that my role is real
your arguments are so bad you don't even think them through and i'm starting to think you might actually be bullshitting me with your weird 1-shot cop claim to make me look even worse and literally lying about things that happened this game and making nonsensical arguments to somehow prove I am scum

[DrippingGoofball]

like we wouldn't be in this mess if toog didn't roleblock me for starters,

If you're town, how could you not foresee that SCUM would roleblock you if you claimed to earn a power if the day ends on a prime number page?

And you were merely roleblocked, while Flea who had claimed nothing was killed. If you're scum, the scum won't NK you, if you get my drift.

[WhemeStar]

I think claiming flavor is really dumb

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nom, if you had just claimed miller D1 you wouldn't have been checked. Anyone who would have claimed to check you woulx probably be axed.

In addition, you probably wouldn't have been rolevlocked (although that depends on the whims of the roleblocker)

[DrippingGoofball]

Why would a scum roleblocker claim they blocked me it makes literally no sense

They're your buddy covering yo'ass
and
they hope they can pass as town roleblocker

How can you not see that? It's pretty obvious.

[nomnomnom]

Nom, if you had just claimed miller D1 you wouldn't have been checked. Anyone who would have claimed to check you woulx probably be axed.

In addition, you probably wouldn't have been rolevlocked (although that depends on the whims of the roleblocker)

Why would a scum roleblocker claim they blocked me it makes literally no sense

They're your buddy covering yo'ass
and
they hope they can pass as town roleblocker

How can you not see that? It's pretty obvious.

[nomnomnom]

whoops weird reply, meant to quote

Nom, if you had just claimed miller D1 you wouldn't have been checked. Anyone who would have claimed to check you woulx probably be axed.

In addition, you probably wouldn't have been rolevlocked (although that depends on the whims of the roleblocker)

I tried something else man, I didn't want to claim miller and get my ass vigged when I'm a form of invest that can get themselves confirmed so I tried something else

Why would a scum roleblocker claim they blocked me it makes literally no sense

They're your buddy covering yo'ass
and
they hope they can pass as town roleblocker

How can you not see that? It's pretty obvious.

you're entertaining theories that make no sense
first of all I'm not scum so no I'm not going to see your weirdass theories about Toog being my partner
second of all you're basically asking me to believe in a version of the game where Toog claims roleblocker to gain townpoints and risk saving a town player that is looking extremely bad (aka me) rather than shutting the hell up and cackling as I get lynched, it's a strategical bad choice coming from scum and it's less likely. Then again this is mafia and people can make weird ass plays for a myriad of reasons but let's be real here Toog is in the vast majority of cases town here. I refuse to believe he comes today and claims the roleblock on me as scum.

[nomnomnom]

as I get limmed* I am really sorry and I'm going to get scolded again for this jesus christ

[Titus]

Okay I'll play.
Let's imagine the world where I am scum here.
I got roleblocked last night by Toog, that is confirmed by them. A kill happened last night, and in a world I am scum it can't possibly come from me. So that means in that hypothetical world I am scum, you are banking your theory that the third partner had to be some sort of investigative that targeted DBG. That is very unlikely, and that wasn't was happened.
Ockam's razor says I am simply town here. Think about it two seconds.

I'm not depending on you and Toog being partners, although it would make things easier. You'd just have to know someone blocked you as scum. There are several avenues towards this without having Toog be scum. Some of them include you being a straight up goon.

I don't get the same Razor calculations that you do at all.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball that insistence on Toog being scum and dgb insisting to try and fit every scenario into me being scum without any real consideration, plus the weird 1-shot claim, plus the no reconsideration when I claimed miller before any type of guilty was claimed is just not right

Okay I'll play.
Let's imagine the world where I am scum here.
I got roleblocked last night by Toog, that is confirmed by them. A kill happened last night, and in a world I am scum it can't possibly come from me. So that means in that hypothetical world I am scum, you are banking your theory that the third partner had to be some sort of investigative that targeted DBG. That is very unlikely, and that wasn't was happened.
Ockam's razor says I am simply town here. Think about it two seconds.

I'm not depending on you and Toog being partners, although it would make things easier. You'd just have to know someone blocked you as scum. There are several avenues towards this without having Toog be scum. Some of them include you being a straight up goon.

I don't get the same Razor calculations that you do at all.

okay so your theory is that I might be scum that knows I got blocked
I'll give it to you it's possible
That still doesn't explain how, as scum, I could magically predict that DGB is cop here. Like yeah it's the easiest deduction to make but everyone knows on this site that cop is a role that doesn't make it often into games because it's seen as strong and bad design and moderators prefer to put other invests in games. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.
The only reason I suspected DGB might be cop with a guilty on me is because I'm miller so i know there's a higher chance of a cop being here, that's the simplest explanation.
I am just town and I got seriously unlucky this game by getting blocked

Edit: Vote adjusted for VCer.
~Ircher

[Titus]

Nom, talk to me about your nonDGB reads.

DGB, talk to me about your nomnomnom reads.

This 1 v 1 makes it harder to read the rest of the game.

[nomnomnom]

Nom, talk to me about your nonDGB reads.

DGB, talk to me about your nomnomnom reads.

This 1 v 1 makes it harder to read the rest of the game.

try saying nonnomnomnom 5 times really fast you're in for a trip
as I said I think toog is town, no reason for them to out their roleblock on me from my POV as scum, definitely town
I've had town gutpings on Xlos and A50 before
Also I saw nobody talking about this, nobody did a wagon analysis on Flea before which is weird

Flea The Magician (7) (HAMMER @ 422): WhemeStar (189), Toogeloo (299), Titus (312), DrippingGoofball (352), Almost50 (368), T3 (398), nomnomnom (422), Jake the Wolfie (430^)

There's almost certainly scum on that wagon right, and I think Toog is most definitely town, I am town, and I've got gutpings on A50 being town here, so like again there should be scum in {wheme,Titus,T3,Jake} (i count him in despite him not counting for the hammer just because of how he voted on Flea)
I think Jake looks the worst here but I'm curious about you guys opinion on this, like there must be scum that has created this wagon in the first place

@Titus

: you have history with mathblade I wanna know your thoughts about him so far, I've had some pings about the fact he didn't want to hammer me and from my POV that just could be scum that is scared of making me flip

[nomnomnom]

I forgot DGB in there you get the idea

[Titus]

@Titus: you have history with mathblade I wanna know your thoughts about him so far, I've had some pings about the fact he didn't want to hammer me and from my POV that just could be scum that is scared of making me flip

I'm finding the way Math's treating me as odd but nothing's out of his townrange. Math's on my watch list. Him being so deferential is odd but his thought processes are closer to town Math.

[Jake The Wolfie]

whoops weird reply, meant to quote

Nom, if you had just claimed miller D1 you wouldn't have been checked. Anyone who would have claimed to check you woulx probably be axed.

In addition, you probably wouldn't have been rolevlocked (although that depends on the whims of the roleblocker)

I tried something else man, I didn't want to claim miller and get my ass vigged when I'm a form of invest that can get themselves confirmed so I tried something else

No vigilante worth their salt would kill a miller claim for claiming miller. Any vigilante who does that might as well fake a redcheck on another townie.

[Xlos]

Don't kill the person who claims friendly neighbor without giving them a chance to confirm themselves + risk/reward analysis for why.

They'll "confirm" to their buddy or claim roleblock.

676690
Are you really going to question the TL;DR and ignore the answer I already gave? You should've at least read 676.

I think claiming flavor is really dumb

And how do you feel about the fact that A50 made us do it for no reason?

I feel like I should point out 792 again. A50's claimed role is 100% a lie.