MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[T3]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think DBG is the Greatest of all Time

[nomnomnom]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

Scums are given fakeclaims so it's still possible that while the flavor is possible the claim itself is bogus.

[Titus]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

Scums are given fakeclaims so it's still possible that while the flavor is possible the claim itself is bogus.

You're not convincing me that DGB's claim is bogus here unless it's S v S.

DGB doesn't come accusing you immediately unless it knows you flip red (or miller). Trading 1 for 1 with someone who is miselimination bait makes no sense.

[MathBlade]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

I disagree with this but I see where you’re coming from. It’s possible DGB is town I just don’t find it the most probable. I think the most probable is Nom+DGB.

I think explaining why I think that is really anti town.

[nomnomnom]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

Scums are given fakeclaims so it's still possible that while the flavor is possible the claim itself is bogus.

You're not convincing me that DGB's claim is bogus here unless it's S v S.

DGB doesn't come accusing you immediately unless it knows you flip red (or miller). Trading 1 for 1 with someone who is miselimination bait makes no sense.

in a world where DGB is scum, it does this play specifically because it knows I'm miller and knows it can get away with it, that's my point

[Titus]

DGB softed the guilty prior to your miller claim.

[Titus]

I think DBG is the Greatest of all Time

Dyslexia wins the thread.

[nomnomnom]

DGB softed the guilty prior to your miller claim.

No you fail to see what I'm trying to say.
I am saying that DGB could have just done all of this because it learned my role overnight and decided to claim a guilty on me knowing I'd claim miller. That's my point.

[DrippingGoofball]

Fanciful

[MathBlade]

DGB softed the guilty prior to your miller claim.

No you fail to see what I'm trying to say.
I am saying that DGB could have just done all of this because it learned my role

overnight

upon confirmation. and decided to claim a guilty on me knowing I'd claim miller. That's my point.

Ftfy lmao

Like I feel like I am being trolled at this point.

Is there like a candid camera mod or something?

[Titus]

DGB softed the guilty prior to your miller claim.

No you fail to see what I'm trying to say.
I am saying that DGB could have just done all of this because it learned my role overnight and decided to claim a guilty on me knowing I'd claim miller. That's my point.

But if it had your role pm, then it pushing you so hard only confirms the existence of a rolecop.

Second, that requires scum checking the lynchbait with their rolecop.

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #8

DrippingGoofball (1): nomnomnom (818)
Xlos (1): WhemeStar (654)
Almost50 (1): Xlos (765)
Jake the Wolfie (0):
MathBlade (2): Galron (724), Almost50 (762)
Titus (0):

nomnomnom (4) (F-2): DrippingGoofball (466), Titus (661), Toogeloo (670), T3 (671)

Not Voting (2): MathBlade, Jake the Wolfie (665)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Friday, July 2, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-02 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Monday, July 12, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-12 21:45:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: theslimer3 : They/them
8: T3 : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them
13: nomnomnom : He/him

[Galron]

@Xlos, why doesn't the argument you make against A50 apply to you seeking if people were algebra geometry or calculus?

A50 has a role that gives reason to believe role flavor impacts the game, I dont.
A50 is asking for specific role flavor, I was asking for something weaker.
Since peoples roles are all calculus based, anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling. Otherwise no info is leaked.

I don't understand this. Are all roles calculus based? You're talking role flavor right? Other than the derivitaves I have no idea (because calculus). I mean the color mentions algebra, geometry and calculus. And what does it mean that "anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling?" What is not analysis? Does that mean not problem solving? Like someone would have to be Pythagorean Thoerem but not Set Theory?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why are we talking about flavor and mech instead of analyzing the players?

[Galron]

I think claiming flavor is really dumb

I don't know that it's a great idea either. It seems the math geeks could figure out the roles from the flavor, which leaves me out. I pretty much exhausted my math knowledge with Pythagorean Thoerem.

[Titus]

I think claiming flavor is really dumb

I don't know that it's a great idea either. It seems the math geeks could figure out the roles from the flavor, which leaves me out. I pretty much exhausted my math knowledge with Pythagorean Thoerem.

The mod specifically said calculus or some form of Math wasn't required to play. Otherwise, I would have pleaded for Math to be a hydra with me this game. Then we definitely would have gotten post 314. #notsalty

[MathBlade]

Chica while Math isn’t required to play it is coloring my reads a bit. It’s not required to play but DGB’s claim is an action while everyone else’s claim so far is a theorem/property. Sure it’s first derivative but the test on it is odd.

That type of test also requires a bit of intuition/mental calculation while other properties so far have been facts.

That’s I think the safest way I can say what I want I think?

[Galron]

Why are we talking about flavor and mech instead of analyzing the players?

There are really only about five players actually saying anything. I count myself as not pulling my weight as far as that goes. So boredom? But A50's role apparently means he's a neighbor infmored about a specifc flavor matching a specifc role. I think that's where it started. As I type that out it sounds about as convo;uted as nom's claimed role.

pedit: So I guess that probably means flavor and roles don't really match.

[Galron]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

And this kind of says the oppsite.

[Galron]

I don't know why I'm dropping so many letters.

[Xlos]

@Xlos, why doesn't the argument you make against A50 apply to you seeking if people were algebra geometry or calculus?

A50 has a role that gives reason to believe role flavor impacts the game, I dont.
A50 is asking for specific role flavor, I was asking for something weaker.
Since peoples roles are all calculus based, anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling. Otherwise no info is leaked.

I don't understand this. Are all roles calculus based? You're talking role flavor right? Other than the derivitaves I have no idea (because calculus). I mean the color mentions algebra, geometry and calculus. And what does it mean that "anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling?" What is not analysis? Does that mean not problem solving? Like someone would have to be Pythagorean Thoerem but not Set Theory?

Some terminology: anything that is calculus is analysis. Analysis is also a bit more, I might even say that "real number" falls into analysis, though it's also algebra. I'm basing analysis as things covered by Spivak's textbook on analysis. Things that are algebra and not analysis could be abstract algebra (Group/Ring Theory) or linear algebra (matricies/vectors). Things that are geometry are not analysis. Lots of other math is not analysis (topology, number theory, statistics).

Every role flavor claimed so far has definitely been analysis, plus A50 said their flavor was "calculus". So it stands to reason that all roles are from analysis, so if someone had claimed to have a geometry role, it would be very suspicious, and I would have treated it as a scumtell.

[DrippingGoofball]

but DGB’s claim is an action

People were asked to flavor claim, I'm the only one who has actually claimed a role in addition to the flavor.

That's why my claim is singularly an action - so far.

QED

[Galron]

I guess I see your point, but it would take a math person to pick up on that. That seems a little too in the weeds from a game writing perspective. But if I recall correctly, The Baker did a guitar player based game a while back, and I'm thinking that the flavor may have matched up with the role and that was more familiar to me.

[Galron]

@Xlos, why doesn't the argument you make against A50 apply to you seeking if people were algebra geometry or calculus?

A50 has a role that gives reason to believe role flavor impacts the game, I dont.
A50 is asking for specific role flavor, I was asking for something weaker.
Since peoples roles are all calculus based, anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling. Otherwise no info is leaked.

I don't understand this. Are all roles calculus based? You're talking role flavor right? Other than the derivitaves I have no idea (because calculus). I mean the color mentions algebra, geometry and calculus. And what does it mean that "anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling?" What is not analysis? Does that mean not problem solving? Like someone would have to be Pythagorean Thoerem but not Set Theory?

Some terminology: anything that is calculus is analysis. Analysis is also a bit more, I might even say that "real number" falls into analysis, though it's also algebra. I'm basing analysis as things covered by Spivak's textbook on analysis. Things that are algebra and not analysis could be abstract algebra (Group/Ring Theory) or linear algebra (matricies/vectors). Things that are geometry are not analysis. Lots of other math is not analysis (topology, number theory, statistics).

Every role flavor claimed so far has definitely been analysis, plus A50 said their flavor was "calculus". So it stands to reason that all roles are from analysis, so if someone had claimed to have a geometry role, it would be very suspicious, and I would have treated it as a scumtell.

I guess I see your point, but it would take a math person to pick up on that. That seems a little too in the weeds from a game writing perspective. But if I recall correctly, The Baker did a guitar player based game a while back, and I'm thinking that the flavor may have matched up with the role and that was more familiar to me.