I find it annoying to have nonsensical accusations made against me from slots that are almost 99% town. That's not remotely close to a true representation of how I've been playing the game.
In post 924, Servant Ruler wrote:Also pending certain things, i think sabers claim is believable enough
I don’t think the question is if his claim is believable or not.
The issue is, Saber made a big deal on how powerful their Noble phatasm is and there is a very small amount of characters that i can see holding such a phatasm
I can also see the mindset of what they were thinking and why the believe it to be a powerful tool early on and not as much later on given that i also agree that most of the toxic 1v1s happen earlier rather than later.
I'm also unsure that this is how scum campaign to sacrifice themselves to better their team
In post 924, Servant Ruler wrote:Also pending certain things, i think sabers claim is believable enough
I don’t think the question is if his claim is believable or not.
The issue is, Saber made a big deal on how powerful their Noble phatasm is and there is a very small amount of characters that i can see holding such a phatasm
I can also see the mindset of what they were thinking and why the believe it to be a powerful tool early on and not as much later on given that i also agree that most of the toxic 1v1s happen earlier rather than later.
I'm also unsure that this is how scum campaign to sacrifice themselves to better their team
And you think this is a more powerful tool than a cop? I’m going to need some more from you once you are done your catch-up because you have some very weird takes
All factors considered I find it unlikely fake but I'm holding conversations about this here until further notice
If you know that characters are independent of alignment, why mention that there's a small amount of characters you can see holding that phantasm? Isn't that completely irrelevant?
In post 921, Servant Rider wrote:No. Archer said Foreigner's comment was designed to make us question Berserker's judgement. I disagree and believe he made that comment because he may have been frustrated with the way his scumread (Caster) was being treated by Berserker. 801 was also a direct response to my 799, which was me questioning his 798.
Nowhere did I mention whether I believed that comment was town- or scum-motivated
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I also happen to be voting Moon Cancer. The two are unrelated.
If I really wanted to defend someone, I would actually
defend
them.
I don't really think you can have two unrelated opinions about a player in a mafia game. Since it's pretty closely intertwined. But the wording isn't quite there for a clear argument that foreigner is town, so I'm wrong in that aspect.
Place me in the camp where 1v1 toxicity isn't actually a good reason to run for Master. Toxic 1v1's can and do resolve. Sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse.
Also, pretty sure that some scum roles would have their abilities adjusted just because the designer rarely has every possible combination in mind for balance. They likely tweeked town roles and scum roles for balance post alignment roll.
Let's spice this up. I don't buy the claim in accordance with how they played the first phase, I don't like how safe their reads were, and I don't like how they've fallen off the map now that we've moved to actually playing mafia. Plus one more ~secret reason~
In post 924, Servant Ruler wrote:Also pending certain things, i think sabers claim is believable enough
believable /= town
I am pretty sure this is the point berserker is trying to get at. Is saber's NP their true NP? (it doesn't really matter but) if town, probably. if scum, he is probably claiming the true NP or something close to it so as not to mess up any details. Even if the claim is true though, that does not mean that saber is town by default. Are you townreading him?
My scum read on Foreigner is stronger, but in regards to saber, it could help us look at who was/wasn't supporting him Day 0 based on the flip.
I am not sure how many votes that is -- will double check count before voting
I thought your case on Saber was more convincing, personally.
Possibly. I think the my read on Foreigner feels stronger to me, just because almost every post that comes from them makes it stronger, where are Saber has their moments
My scum read on Foreigner is stronger, but in regards to saber, it could help us look at who was/wasn't supporting him Day 0 based on the flip.
I am not sure how many votes that is -- will double check count before voting
I thought your case on Saber was more convincing, personally.
Possibly. I think the my read on Foreigner feels stronger to me, just because almost every post that comes from them makes it stronger, where are Saber has their moments
The points you have against saber highlight specifically a mentality where they often contradicted themselves in trying to explain why they wanted their master vote and why their NP would be useful. It's based on posts they've made that don't add up. With regard to foreigner it seems to be mostly related to them trolling/not caring. Slots like that can flip scum, but they don't always. I've never felt most of the cases there to be fully formed beyond "plays weird, trolls too much". (Also, I straight up disagree with your assessment of 801 - I wouldn't expect scum to openly antagonize the clear right away)
In post 904, Servant Ruler wrote:Dedicating time to this game but I wouldn't expect to much for 24ish hours due to the type of weekend.
A recap would be nice
And then here are a few detailed read lists, with post links and stuff that might help:
Here is Berserkers, it came towards the end of the Day 0, after it was clear Berserker was getting the master: 504
Here is mine: 901 / 902
Rider: 855
Previous Ruler: 834 cases town reads + 890 cases scum reads
I missed the assassin post there.
Well if Assassin targets anyone outside of me, it's a scum claim.
I think Ruler, Archer, Beast, and Ego are all town so far. I also had Rider as town but I need to te check why.
I'm inclined to believe Assassin as it's easily disproven.
