I guess you can argue that after a check has been done, yes.
Although at that point, either I'm lying and Assassin has a guilty on me where it's irrelevant anyway, or Assassin has a not guilty and logically I'm not the favoured lim in this pool.
I'm not sure how I feel on Sabers claim as scummy here.
What's the thought of it being scummy? The fact Saber said it was powerful late game or because of the power?
If you don't believe that Saber thought it was a powerful role then why do they claim it here? Either Saber thinks its powerful as either align or keeps quiet if scum who doesn't think it's a powerful role.
My scum read on Foreigner is stronger, but in regards to saber, it could help us look at who was/wasn't supporting him Day 0 based on the flip.
I am not sure how many votes that is -- will double check count before voting
I thought your case on Saber was more convincing, personally.
Possibly. I think the my read on Foreigner feels stronger to me, just because almost every post that comes from them makes it stronger, where are Saber has their moments
The points you have against saber highlight specifically a mentality where they often contradicted themselves in trying to explain why they wanted their master vote and why their NP would be useful. It's based on posts they've made that don't add up. With regard to foreigner it seems to be mostly related to them trolling/not caring. Slots like that can flip scum, but they don't always. I've never felt most of the cases there to be fully formed beyond "plays weird, trolls too much". (Also, I straight up disagree with your assessment of 801 - I wouldn't expect scum to openly antagonize the clear right away)
I’m with alter here - the discrepancy/inconsistency in thought process is more concerning than someone dicking around
There is probably something significant about foreigner and saber both voting moon cancer and then both becoming the counterwagons to moon cancer but I don’t yet know what that means
In post 896, Servant Beast wrote:Addressing this, "why didn't beast play "their shielder knowledge some otherway. " approach.
Shielder did give information on interest for master, they said they "weren't against" it. Given their activity and Berserker's position and my own, I found it pretty unlikely that I could push through a shield er position, I also feel I waited enough, Just because Shielder was largely absent doesn't mean I was planning to just lurk until they showed up. I had opinions and I pushed my opinions. I could very well have been wrong on Saber, but I don't know that. I was also content just letting shielder be under the radar. For mechanical reasons and also because it allowed me to see who pushed the lurker slot. I had no way of knowing that Shielder could look town or not because they hadn't posed yet. I was keeping track of the finger pointing in their direction however. I think only two players did, Alter and one other player. Ultimately they didn't do anything with it, so I didn't know what to make of it either.
But sure I could have played it more optimally I guess by...getting them elected? somehow. In retrospect I'm not even sure that would be a good idea because I already know they're town and the grail wouldn't help sort them in retrospect. I already explained why I just outed them as town, I was crumbing and I didn't want to hurt alter's feelings anymore if they were being legit so I just explained it. It wasn't a very optimal move from a win condition perspective, but I'm not really made of stone either. And no I don't blame Alter for me revealing that, it was just a poorly thought out way to crumb.
I don’t think this addresses the primary concerns that others and I had, which was why choose that particular moment to reveal? Shielder wasn’t getting that much attention, and they weren’t even at risk of being eliminated because of the nature of the phase. Wouldn’t you be trying to play your cards close so as not to reveal too much too early? You were even strongly advocating to reveal as little as possible in the beginning.
You could be struggling to understand this.
Or their could be a reason you don't want to resolve this with an "oh, okay, I guess you're town that doesn't act consistently"
