MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[nomnomnom]

We really probably should take a deep look at that d1 wagon and see where the scum is and debate between ourselves about it.
Toog isn't it for starters, Titus.
Titus probably town for actually bothering to sort me out and drive discussion, ++town right there

[MathBlade]

Right, it's not in the role PM, but my role is a technique in analysis, so I assume that all roles are techniques in analysis, algebra or geometry.

He goes from this to all VTs are real numbers. It's odd.

So? My theory has also evolved with more flavor claims. I originally thought scum would have stats instead of calculus. Until all flavor is known being able to narrow it down will be impossible. For anyone who is town it's educated guesses. My guesses are just that. Scum has knowledge of what their flavor is. I think that if you want to convince me of Xlos more than A50 flavor is not the way to go about it.

Pedit: Can do Jake if it gets super long.
Yeah Titus that needs a lot of explanation I think. I don't see how you're getting there.

How does the Flea elimination happen D1 if that's the case? Can you do something besides flavor?
Like where is your usual "casing" or "going back" and examining prior play?
I know you normally don't do VCA but it's odd that you're not at least trying to refer back to D1.

[MathBlade]

We really probably should take a deep look at that d1 wagon and see where the scum is and debate between ourselves about it.
Toog isn't it for starters, Titus.
Titus probably town for actually bothering to sort me out and drive discussion, ++town right there

Ewwww....Nom + Titus?

Ewwww

*Shivers*

[nomnomnom]

We really probably should take a deep look at that d1 wagon and see where the scum is and debate between ourselves about it.
Toog isn't it for starters, Titus.
Titus probably town for actually bothering to sort me out and drive discussion, ++town right there

Ewwww....Nom + Titus?

Ewwww

*Shivers*

Do you disagree?
Surely the scums were on the Day 1 wagon right? What's wrong with any of what I said?

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #10

DrippingGoofball (1): nomnomnom (818)
Xlos (2): WhemeStar (654), Titus (885)
Almost50 (2): Xlos (765), Galron (862)
Jake the Wolfie (0):
MathBlade (0):
Titus (0):
WhemeStar (1): Almost50 (870)

nomnomnom (3) (F-3): DrippingGoofball (466), Toogeloo (670), T3 (671)

Not Voting (2): MathBlade, Jake the Wolfie (665)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Friday, July 2, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-02 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Monday, July 12, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-12 21:45:00).

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Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
8: T3 : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them
13: nomnomnom : He/him

[MathBlade]

VOTE: nom

What's wrong is that Titus didn't want me to hammer you then has a theory you're town and doesn't explain any of it hardly at all and then you back her up because she's defending you. It's very very ugly.

And now that you can't quick hammer without both Titus and you (assuming you're both scum) here's my vote.

If Titus actually believes you're town then she'll have to put up or shut up.

[Titus]

Like where is your usual "casing" or "going back" and examining prior play?
I know you normally don't do VCA but it's odd that you're not at least trying to refer back to D1.

I literally just referred back to D1 by asking where it ended.

Can you do your own reasonless readslist?

[Toogeloo]

This is on page 18 rolling into 19. I don't doubt for a minute now that nomnomnom has a role that benefits from being on a prime number. I think he had a problem with understanding his role and got lucky the game rolled onto page 19. nom likely thought the day ended with hammer rather than including twilight. Otherwise that post is really odd to start the defense before getting guiltied.

The issue then becomes that nom³ is now required to have the mod end the day on a favorable page. What if the mod is busy and can't end the day on a prime number page?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: nom

What's wrong is that Titus didn't want me to hammer you then has a theory you're town and doesn't explain any of it hardly at all and then you back her up because she's defending you. It's very very ugly.

And now that you can't quick hammer without both Titus and you (assuming you're both scum) here's my vote.

If Titus actually believes you're town then she'll have to put up or shut up.

This is a very ugly attack, trying to push me because I recognize someone trying to sort me out as townie and trying to frame it as impossible.
math gaining scumpoints very rapidly!

This is on page 18 rolling into 19. I don't doubt for a minute now that nomnomnom has a role that benefits from being on a prime number. I think he had a problem with understanding his role and got lucky the game rolled onto page 19. nom likely thought the day ended with hammer rather than including twilight. Otherwise that post is really odd to start the defense before getting guiltied.

The issue then becomes that nom³ is now required to have the mod end the day on a favorable page. What if the mod is busy and can't end the day on a prime number page?

Well first of all I assumed like any reasonable person that the day ends with a hammer, at which point we enter twilight.
Ircher doesn't consider that to be end of day and enters twilight, so I got confused. Now I just understand with my role in the game we basically need to all coordinate to preserve page hammer = to day end, which means little to no twilight posting. I should have asked I guess but I thought how it worked was obvious.

[Titus]

This is on page 18 rolling into 19. I don't doubt for a minute now that nomnomnom has a role that benefits from being on a prime number. I think he had a problem with understanding his role and got lucky the game rolled onto page 19. nom likely thought the day ended with hammer rather than including twilight. Otherwise that post is really odd to start the defense before getting guiltied.

The issue then becomes that nom³ is now required to have the mod end the day on a favorable page. What if the mod is busy and can't end the day on a prime number page?

It makes proving him harder yes, but this game was likely designed around three one shot roles gaining information.

The fact nomnomnom slipped makes him a great choice for a roleblock, particularly if scum can control if he acts again.

[MathBlade]

I'm still building words so I don't know if I can do reasonless but this is my thoughts.

DrippingGoofball : It ==> In Scum PoE
3: Xlos : He/him ==> Mid Tier seems newb
4: Almost50 : He/him ==> Scum role fishing
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any ==> Mid Tier lurker
6: Galron : He/him ==> Mid Tier lurker
7: theslimer3 : They/them ==> Me
8: T3 : He/him ==> Town read (I only see a very specific world in which T3 could be scum but I really think town)
9: Titus : She/her ==> Moon logic town
10: WhemeStar : He/him ==> Gut town (light town read less than T3)
12: Toogeloo : They/them ==> Town by mechanics, I wish they'd do more
13: nomnomnom : He/him ==> Occam's razor says he's scum. Need a damn good reason to vote somewhere else.

[Titus]

@nomnomnom and Toog, Thoughts on my readslist?

[nomnomnom]

@nomnomnom and Toog, Thoughts on my readslist?

I've already mentioned I think Toog is absolutely not scum with how he approached this whole thing today.
I also agree with your take on A50.
I have my doubts about Xlos and I ain't sure I want to pursue there.
I think Jake would be a good vote.
I haven't thought about Wheme much tbh, I've forgotten about him being in the game. Could be scum? Maybe?

[Titus]

I struggle with Toog. I SR his posting but I can't see why he comes forward in a town!nom world unless he assumes you're getting eliminated anyway and goes for the credit.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: nom

What's wrong is that Titus didn't want me to hammer you then has a theory you're town and doesn't explain any of it hardly at all and then you back her up because she's defending you. It's very very ugly.

And now that you can't quick hammer without both Titus and you (assuming you're both scum) here's my vote.

If Titus actually believes you're town then she'll have to put up or shut up.

This is a very ugly attack, trying to push me because I recognize someone trying to sort me out as townie and trying to frame it as impossible.
math gaining scumpoints very rapidly!

This is on page 18 rolling into 19. I don't doubt for a minute now that nomnomnom has a role that benefits from being on a prime number. I think he had a problem with understanding his role and got lucky the game rolled onto page 19. nom likely thought the day ended with hammer rather than including twilight. Otherwise that post is really odd to start the defense before getting guiltied.

The issue then becomes that nom³ is now required to have the mod end the day on a favorable page. What if the mod is busy and can't end the day on a prime number page?

Well first of all I assumed like any reasonable person that the day ends with a hammer, at which point we enter twilight.
Ircher doesn't consider that to be end of day and enters twilight, so I got confused. Now I just understand with my role in the game we basically need to all coordinate to preserve page hammer = to day end, which means little to no twilight posting. I should have asked I guess but I thought how it worked was obvious.

The way I work is based off what's most likely.
It's extremely unlikely you're town.
Therefore I need a case that either makes someone equally or more likely to be scum.
Or a case that you're town that's just as good as the guilty.
This is an incredibly high bar.
If the majority of players (IMHO stupidly) say we aren't elimming you then we can't because of how mafia works but that wouldn't change my opinion about you.

[Toogeloo]

@nomnomnom and Toog, Thoughts on my readslist?

Well, for starters, you have me as probable scum. How do you think I'll think of your read list?

Eliminating one of either DGB or nom³ is the most practical play today, with nom³ being the smart move.

After that is settled, the A50 stuff probably needs resolution.

[nomnomnom]

math doing it just now is weird especially when he was offered the possibility to hammer me earlier
hmmmmmmmm

@nomnomnom and Toog, Thoughts on my readslist?

Well, for starters, you have me as probable scum. How do you think I'll think of your read list?

Eliminating one of either DGB or nom³ is the most practical play today, with nom³ being the smart move.

After that is settled, the A50 stuff probably needs resolution.

It's not smart, you are basically negating the possibility of me confirming myself and making the job easy for scum.
If I don't get limmed today and we end the day on prime then scums have to make a choice around me and running the risk of me being confirmed. That's a much smarter play than me getting limmed and everyone facepalming as they see my flip.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm still building words so I don't know if I can do reasonless but this is my thoughts.

MathBlade ==> Me
Toogeloo ==> Town by mechanics, I wish they'd do more
T3 ==> Town read (I only see a very specific world in which T3 could be scum but I really think town)
Titus ==> Moon logic town
WhemeStar ==> Gut town (light town read less than T3)

Xlos ==> Mid Tier seems newb
Jake the Wolfie ==> Mid Tier lurker
Galron ==> Mid Tier lurker

DrippingGoofball ==> In Scum PoE
Almost50 ==> Scum role fishing
nomnomnom ==> Occam's razor says he's scum. Need a damn good reason to vote somewhere else.

I rearranged the reads

[Toogeloo]

At what point did you start town-reading nom³, Titus?

[MathBlade]

I'm still building words so I don't know if I can do reasonless but this is my thoughts.

MathBlade ==> Me
Toogeloo ==> Town by mechanics, I wish they'd do more
T3 ==> Town read (I only see a very specific world in which T3 could be scum but I really think town)
Titus ==> Moon logic town
WhemeStar ==> Gut town (light town read less than T3)

Xlos ==> Mid Tier seems newb
Jake the Wolfie ==> Mid Tier lurker
Galron ==> Mid Tier lurker

DrippingGoofball ==> In Scum PoE
Almost50 ==> Scum role fishing
nomnomnom ==> Occam's razor says he's scum. Need a damn good reason to vote somewhere else.

I rearranged the reads

What are your reads? I see you rearranged mine, but what are yours?

[Toogeloo]

Well first of all I assumed like any reasonable person that the day ends with a hammer, at which point we enter twilight.
Ircher doesn't consider that to be end of day and enters twilight, so I got confused. Now I just understand with my role in the game we basically need to all coordinate to preserve page hammer = to day end, which means little to no twilight posting. I should have asked I guess but I thought how it worked was obvious.

Holding Twilight discussion hostage seems like something scum would want though. Plus, it really just doesn't make sense. Assuming you knew that EoD was based on mod closure, how do you effectively use your role without broadcast advertising people not to spam twilight ahead of time?

[nomnomnom]

Well first of all I assumed like any reasonable person that the day ends with a hammer, at which point we enter twilight.
Ircher doesn't consider that to be end of day and enters twilight, so I got confused. Now I just understand with my role in the game we basically need to all coordinate to preserve page hammer = to day end, which means little to no twilight posting. I should have asked I guess but I thought how it worked was obvious.

Holding Twilight discussion hostage seems like something scum would want though. Plus, it really just doesn't make sense. Assuming you knew that EoD was based on mod closure, how do you effectively use your role without broadcast advertising people not to spam twilight ahead of time?

I didn't know my role worked like that in the first place
also the latter part is why I immediately that, I cannot FN people without coordination.

[Toogeloo]

Roles are meant for you to have a little control, but you have almost no control over yours because you are at the mercy of the mod and spammy players.

And again... The Miller being scanned by the 1 Shot Cop Night 1 is just a statistical anomaly.

[nomnomnom]

Roles are meant for you to have a little control, but you have almost no control over yours because you are at the mercy of the mod and spammy players.

And again... The Miller being scanned by the 1 Shot Cop Night 1 is just a statistical anomaly.

Yes, I have little control, and it's harder to activate with Ircher's rule in place about spamposting. That's quite literally the flavor of the PNT: the longer the game goes, the harder it is to reach prime numbers.
On the flipside if everyone agrees to do exactly that to contribute to me being able to confirm myself, anyone that actually disrupts it is scummy as hell.
You could say the same thing about me being also roleblocked by you, mind you. Statistical anomaly

[Titus]

At what point did you start town-reading nom³, Titus?

I'm not sure exactly when I did. At first, I was looking for this that would refute his claim, but I didn't find any.

I also struggled with how opportunistic the day feels.

Nomnomnom posting this way is generally consistent.