Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata thinks Amy Dunne’s suggestion that he’s trying to create a distraction is misplaced, or that she should be TRing him for it if that’s what she really thinks he’s doing. If Nakata were scum trying to save a buddy, then Amy Dunne is right that Nakata would be foolish to try and mislim Morning Tweet. However, if Nakata thinks he’s likely to die soon (which he does) then it makes sense for Nakata to use his vote to bring attention to slots that are neglected for any players that decide to review Nakata’s takes once he flips town. Admittedly, Nakata doesn’t have great reads so he might be wrong, but Nakata thinks Morning Tweet has created a pocket on her “townbloc” and now just wants to powerwolf through the game by limming those not in said townbloc.

[Morning Tweet]

I don't see how my ircher read doesn't add up? The narrative of say he's gonna play this game differently --> plays differently by doing nothing still makes zero sense to me as scum, even if he doesn't want to play scum he can at least give a couple reads or something.

His play not making sense as scum doesn't make him town

Plus like, I think it does make sense for him to WIFOM self hammering as scum

If Ircher were town, don't you think he'd be explaining to us why he's not voting or barely doing any reads rather than act like it's some kind of experimental playstyle like he called it earlier? He's not working with us at all, he's being secretive

knowing this series, if someone knows something I dont and is being mysterious, that's not a terribly good sign. It doesnt have to make sense to me -- I'm the uninformed one, he probably isnt

[Satoru Nakata]

Yin, is Morning Tweet informed?

Yang, is Morning Tweet informed?

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata thinks Amy Dunne’s suggestion that he’s trying to create a distraction is misplaced, or that she should be TRing him for it if that’s what she really thinks he’s doing. If Nakata were scum trying to save a buddy, then Amy Dunne is right that Nakata would be foolish to try and mislim Morning Tweet. However, if Nakata thinks he’s likely to die soon (which he does) then it makes sense for Nakata to use his vote to bring attention to slots that are neglected for any players that decide to review Nakata’s takes once he flips town. Admittedly, Nakata doesn’t have great reads so he might be wrong, but Nakata thinks Morning Tweet has created a pocket on her “townbloc” and now just wants to powerwolf through the game by limming those not in said townbloc.

Im curious why you think you're likely to die soon.

You were JUST voting Ircher with me. How can you turn around and suspect that I'm trying to get an easy miselim on Ircher and then kill off whoever next. That is so confusing

[Morning Tweet]

THINK, NAKATA, THINK! If I'm trying to get an easy miselim on Ircher, that means Ircher is town and just limbait

However, you yourself thought that Ircher was suspicious up til now. And nothing about Ircher has changed.

So......???????????????

That's why your switch is boggling

[Infinity 324]

His play not making sense as scum doesn't make him town

Yes it does?

If ircher isn't town he certainly isn't trying to avoid getting limmed. I guess he could be a jester or something. Either way I don't think he's trying to survive until endgame and I don't think anything good comes out of limming him.

[Morning Tweet]

Even if Ircher is town, the fact that he is suspicious hasn't changed. The fact YOU found him suspicious hasn't changed.

So why is me suspecting him a problem? AND WHY ME SPECIFICALLY

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata thinks scum are making the classic play of trying to pivot to a third wagonable town player to preserve easy mislims for later in the game. Nakata thinks it very likely that he will be mislimmed on D2 or D3 and he thinks he wasn’t pushed through because it was decided that Nakata is an easier push then than keeping ircher around would be.

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata thinks his line of thinking is very clear and he’s done the same thing before when he’s been scum and has had multiple juicy options. Nakata thinks one mustn’t be too hungry for the honey, which means saving the easier mislims for later. Nakata thinks Ircher was slightly more work to get wagoned than he was or friend Infinity 324 was, which feeds into his theory that scum want to preserve us for later.

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata would also like to point out he has a very consistent line on Morning Tweet and that his voting her doesn’t clash with his prior expressed reads. Nakata called her scummy earlier for pushing him. Nakata is simply following up.

[Morning Tweet]

His play not making sense as scum doesn't make him town

Yes it does?

If ircher isn't town he certainly isn't trying to avoid getting limmed. I guess he could be a jester or something. Either way I don't think he's trying to survive until endgame and I don't think anything good comes out of limming him.

I feel like we're not reading the same game

He has specifically targetted Nakata and Robert while they were the wagons with the most heat on them. He didn't outright suspect them, he just shaded them without committing to an opinion adding heat to the fire.

Everything Ircher has done recently, which is threatening to self hammer but not doing it, ghosting from the thread, and so on just seems like a last ditch low effort attempt to live. There's no solving or helping us even though he's online.

He essentially covered up his future weird play at the beginning of the game by saying he was trying out a new playstyle. I think this is something influencing him because A.) he won't tell us and B.) he didnt do any voting in the early game either. He's been doing this weird play all along

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata -- why do you think Ircher is town now? What changed between you voting him and now?

I understand your idea that scum wants to save miselims for future days -- although, I would say I haven't cared nearly as much abt Infinity/you as I have Ircher, so idk.

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet changing from voting him to voting ircher means ircher is likely to be town.

[Morning Tweet]

Also I think Ircher is the easiest wagon to get thru by far since he's not even fighting back

If I were scum trying to save miselims, I'd probably lean really hard into the "Ircher is jester!" tinfoil and make up excuses not to vote him. I'm kinda confused how you think someone volunteering to kill himself is somehow harder to elim than you/infy

[Morning Tweet]

So you're reading Ircher using your read of me and are apparently so tunneled onto me that Ircher's scummy play has been overridden by my desire to kill him. Okay

Out of curiosity, have we played together in the past by the way?

[Amy Dunne]

what if we're all actually dead and we're actually voting for players to be brought back to life?

[Infinity 324]

@tweet

In what way does any of that contribute to a traditional scum wincon?

I think it's more likely he's just town who agreed with some of the consensus points on nakata/robert and is just...playing weird idk

It could be scum doing a weird WIFOM play but that seems out-of-character for ircher and also really dumb

[Morning Tweet]

@tweet

In what way does any of that contribute to a traditional scum wincon?

I think it's more likely he's just town who agreed with some of the consensus points on nakata/robert and is just...playing weird idk

It could be scum doing a weird WIFOM play but that seems out-of-character for ircher and also really dumb

The last iteration of this setup forced me to play in a way that I thought was dumb and suboptimal. The defense you're using for Ircher would be just as valid for me in that iteration, but I was scum there

I think you're thinking too traditionally

And him playing weird isn't the only problem. He's not engaging with us at all about this. It seems VERY intentional. I am super confused how you find this town indictative -- NAI, maybe, but towny?

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata wouldn’t describe himself as tunnelled and thinks Morning Tweets attempt to portray his scumread on her as a tunnel is disingenuous.

Nakata and Morning Tweet have played a number of games together.

[Morning Tweet]

Nakata wouldn’t describe himself as tunnelled and thinks Morning Tweets attempt to portray his scumread on her as a tunnel is disingenuous.

Nakata and Morning Tweet have played a number of games together.

If you're basing your read of Ircher entirely on your read of me, that's a tunnel. You're viewing the gamestate thru a single read.

It doesn't make sense when you just had Ircher as suspicious. How can you find me so suspicious that you would override that?

[Satoru Nakata]

If I were scum trying to save miselims, I'd probably lean really hard into the "Ircher is jester!" tinfoil and make up excuses not to vote him.

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet may have just TMI’d that ircher is town and hence a mislim?

[Morning Tweet]

If I were scum trying to save miselims, I'd probably lean really hard into the "Ircher is jester!" tinfoil and make up excuses not to vote him.

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet may have just TMI’d that ircher is town and hence a mislim?

Are you serious?

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata wouldn’t describe himself as tunnelled and thinks Morning Tweets attempt to portray his scumread on her as a tunnel is disingenuous.

Nakata and Morning Tweet have played a number of games together.

If you're basing your read of Ircher entirely on your read of me, that's a tunnel. You're viewing the gamestate thru a single read.

It doesn't make sense when you just had Ircher as suspicious. How can you find me so suspicious that you would override that?

Nakata was basing his read on the gamestate. Morning Tweet (who is likely scum) shifting from voting confirmed town (to Nakata) to somewhere else, when Nakata was very mislimmable, was a major shift in the gamestate. That allowed Nakata to see that ircher is likely town.

[Satoru Nakata]

If I were scum trying to save miselims, I'd probably lean really hard into the "Ircher is jester!" tinfoil and make up excuses not to vote him.

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet may have just TMI’d that ircher is town and hence a mislim?

Are you serious?

Yes, and Nakata hopes that other players in the list note this clear attempt to discredit Nakata and to cover up a TMI-slip!

[Satoru Nakata]

Friend Amy Dunne, look at the above and reconsider your Morning Tweet TR please!