MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[DrippingGoofball]

OH RLY, A50???

I'm a bit distrustful of Titus' posts today. I'm disinterested in nom³ and actually feel as though they conjured up a perfect storm of unluckiness of their own posts.

I'm willing to clear both DGB and nom³ as town here.

VOTE: Titus

Titus sheep's you and then has been putting in a lot of effort to discredit nom³. If you have a guilty, why put in effort to discredit?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nomnomnom

For me it's a combination of policy and too many coincidences that seals nom³.

Policy in the sense that they should have claimed Miller Day 1, and the fact that they probably wouldn't have drawn my roleblock if they hadn't made a big deal about them having an action.

Coincidence overload in the fact that they just so happen to be a Miller that was going to friendly neighbor the 1-shot cop who guilty scanned them, but got roleblocked by me. Like, I'm not a statististics guy, but this is a math based game, and I would love to hear the odds of all that happening.

This trajectory makes no sense.

[MathBlade]

Of this, if all this is analysis like xlos was talking about, then what distingueshes the green flavor from the red flavor?

I'd like to know that too.

All I see is that anything to do with "Derivatives" has some kind of Cop to it.

Note: They were both claimed already by the time I called for the flavour claim.

If I was to believe that the flavour is alignment indicative I'd confirm DGB as Town (as that wasn't already evident by the nom flip), confirm Wheme (that's the player I was informed of their flavour and I do have "flavour" reason to TR them now IF flavour is alignment indicative), put Titus & Italiano as "same alignment" (both are Theorems).

So, unless we think the remaining 2 scums are exactly Titus+Italiano then scum are in Xlos, Jake, Galron & Toog

This logic is terrible. You said so yourself scum can ask for fake claims.
Secondly I am Italiano/the slimer 3 slot. Italiano never claimed flavor iirc and neither did slimer.
This is the second time you’ve been behind/mistaken/what not when supposedly hunting flavor.
That’s pretty poor.

Discussing flavor I still maintain is very antitown. Whoever is E-1 can claim it with their role if needed. Anyone pushing flavor talks after this post gets the biggest FoS.

[MathBlade]

Like, SERIOULY.. how the FUCK is DGB still suspect? Not only did it get a guilty on nom, but the claimed flavour suggests an Investigative. Did scum get 2 Investigatives??

… This only makes me suspect DGB+A50 even more.
DGB is suspect because this is its MO as scum.
I want to see it to the things it did in Warehouse 13 and other games.
It just isn’t.

[Almost50]

@DGB: OK.. my memory is quite rusty nowadays. I just saw the quotes and thought that was what he wanted.

[DrippingGoofball]

Like, SERIOULY.. how the FUCK is DGB still suspect? Not only did it get a guilty on nom, but the claimed flavour suggests an Investigative. Did scum get 2 Investigatives??

… This only makes me suspect DGB+A50 even more.
DGB is suspect because this is its MO as scum.
I want to see it to the things it did in Warehouse 13 and other games.
It just isn’t.

I'm offended that you think I'd always do the same old tricks as scum, it's a slight on my creativity.

[MathBlade]

@Galron, Why are you voting Toog?

Reading last page of day 2 it seemed fairly clear that if nom flipped red, toogs was probably not a rb.

And you didn't consider the possibility of nom knowing he had been roleblocked by a town toog?

If nom had tried to use his flavorcop and failed, he could have deduced he was blocked.

Then why didn’t you when I said this argument yesterday when I said Toog is town?

Why are you recycling my prior arguments?

Where’s your VCA and something new?

[DrippingGoofball]

CAST OF CALCULASIA

The townies

DrippingGoofball
Xlos
Titus
Galron

Scum MVP

MathBlade

Scum

Almost50
Jake The Wolfie
WhemeStar
Toogeloo

[MathBlade]

@Titus: I

am

using Math theories. nom was "Derivatives" and had a Flavour

Cop

shot. T3 was Second "Derivative" Test and was a Modified Role

cop

. DGB is First "Derivative" Test, and claimed 1-shot Alignment

Cop

. If Flavour is indicative of ROLE (which it is from the Mod's quote I quoted yesterday) then Derivativ(s) = Cop. This should be enough for me to put DGB as an IC already.

Now I am a "Test" and so is Wheme, so I am assuming ... WAIT! Wheme isn't clear by this. He could be "Informed Scum" still. I'll let MATHBLADE decide on it. Wheme is "Root Test".

1) I think you are very much scum for continued discussion of flavor over reads.
2) I think answering your question is very antitown. My previous theory about stats v Calculus is wrong.
3) Flavor cannot be an IC due to scum having the ability to fake claim shit.
4) If I townread or scumread Wheme based on that flavor I will end up with a reads reason to do so as well.

I see zero benefit in outing to scum flavor clues if they haven’t figured out what I believe is accurate.

My theory is to STFU about this and scum hunt.

Who do you scumread?

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't believe town!Toogeloo roleblocked the player that claimed a conditional PR.

I do not believe it.

[DrippingGoofball]

3) Flavor cannot be an IC due to scum having the ability to fake claim shit.

Townies will tell the truth and be at a disadvantage.

[MathBlade]

a claimed RB

I found the anomaly.

I mean pretty much I think if you’re town it’s a 1v1 between Toog and A50 at this point and A50 makes more sense by play.

I think Toog A50 and DGB has to contain at least one scum. Down to elim any of those. I think A50 is most likely scum but Toog/DGB safer due to if they’re town they’re out of shots.

[DrippingGoofball]

@DGB: OK.. my memory is quite rusty nowadays. I just saw the quotes and thought that was what he wanted.

Great, can you give an update on your read of Toogeloo?

[MathBlade]

MathBlade, for a paranoid MathDude, you sure are trusting Toogeloo.

I am paranoid but I think they’re town because of how they claimed.

I think it would have to be you Nom and Toog world for Toog to be scum and I wouldn’t even know how to begin proving that can of worms without your flip first since I don’t think scum!Toog claims there without a plan.

[DrippingGoofball]

Are you suggesting I am bus'ing Toog?

[Jake The Wolfie]

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Is Toog...

• a town roleblocker
  who happened to
  block a player who claimed to be a conditional PR
  ?
  
• scum (any role or goon)
  who
  pretended
  to have blocked nom to give credence to nom's claim of having been roleblocked?

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

I like this kind of post. It feels like a Quiz show.

Anyway, this is a bad contentless post. No one asked for this, and (more importantly) you didn't give/restate your thoughts in this post.

[MathBlade]

Pretty much trying to figure out if yesterday Titus was town genuinely stalling for time or if Titus was scum with Xlos A50 or Toog and trying to get a wagon counter to Nom going.

I gotta crash but I kinda have a big would elim list and a super elim list
(Super elim is ToogvA50vDGB) I think a scum has to be in here due to claims and follow the cop problems
(Would elim Titus / Xlos ) << I can’t read Titus to save my life and Xlos I gut Ping town but how hard they tried to save Nom is hard to ignore

The remainder is more if I am still alive territory tbh. I don’t anticipate being alive to get to a more granular level and I gotta go to bed.

Pedit: DGB I am saying that IF Toog is scum you’re a necessary prerequisite unless Toog is some higher tier scum player (which to be fair I don’t remember/haven’t seen their scum game). It is just so weird to claim you blocked a player with a claimed guilty.

[Almost50]

@DGB: OK.. my memory is quite rusty nowadays. I just saw the quotes and thought that was what he wanted.

Great, can you give an update on your read of Toogeloo?

Why an "update" when I said this today:

then scum are in Xlos, Jake, Galron & Toog

I mean, sure.. I turned around on my Wheme read too, and I'm starting to feel Math could be scum too (I buy his monovision on me, but not on you)

[Almost50]

Are you suggesting I am bus'ing Toog?

There's no use trying to deny it now, DGB. You bused nom, are bussing Toog, and tomorrow will commit suicide. Obviously your conscience couldn't take it no more and you are going for redemption by correcting your wrongdoings before you self-terminate.

[Almost50]

Pretty much trying to figure out if yesterday Titus was town genuinely stalling for time or if Titus was scum with Xlos A50 or Toog and trying to get a wagon counter to Nom going.

I gotta crash but I kinda have a big would elim list and a super elim list
(Super elim is ToogvA50vDGB) I think a scum has to be in here due to claims and follow the cop problems
(Would elim Titus / Xlos ) << I can’t read Titus to save my life and Xlos I gut Ping town but how hard they tried to save Nom is hard to ignore

The remainder is more if I am still alive territory tbh. I don’t anticipate being alive to get to a more granular level and I gotta go to bed.

Pedit: DGB I am saying that IF Toog is scum you’re a necessary prerequisite unless Toog is some higher tier scum player (which to be fair I don’t remember/haven’t seen their scum game). It is just so weird to claim you blocked a player with a claimed guilty.

I'll give you an offer you can't refuse: Let's do Xlos, and if that doesn't flip red I'll personally see to it that both I and DGB are dead tomorrow.

[DrippingGoofball]

It is just so weird to claim you blocked a player with a claimed guilty.

Is it weird if your partner claimed to have been roleblocked?

Toog could pretend to be a town roleblocker.

[DrippingGoofball]

Are you suggesting I am bus'ing Toog?

There's no use trying to deny it now, DGB. You bused nom, are bussing Toog, and tomorrow will commit suicide. Obviously your conscience couldn't take it no more and you are going for redemption by correcting your wrongdoings before you self-terminate.

LOL

That's a scum claim to me

[DrippingGoofball]

Is Toog...

• a town roleblocker
  who happened to
  block a player who claimed to be a conditional PR
  ?
  
• scum (any role or goon)
  who
  pretended
  to have blocked nom to give credence to nom's claim of having been roleblocked?

I like this kind of post. It feels like a Quiz show.

Anyway, this is a bad contentless post. No one asked for this, and (more importantly) you didn't give/restate your thoughts in this post.

You're the best game troll. Never stop.

[DrippingGoofball]

(Super elim is ToogvA50vDGB) I think a scum has to be in here due to claims and follow the cop problems

I'm totally on board lim'ing the other too.

We can throw Jake to the sharks.

[WhemeStar]

I'll personally see to it that both I and DGB are dead tomorrow.

???

[Jake The Wolfie]

We can throw Jake to the sharks.

¿Que?