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[cyrus62]

Kitty lived agin I think they are scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

I just realized something.

If I'm right that we are in 2 scum 1 traitor on each team. We are playing in 11 v 6.

That means we are in ELo now.

11 v 6 - Originally
9 v 5 - Elsa, ActionDan, NDMath dies
6 v 5 - Gamma Emerald, nomnomnom, T3 dies

If we lose one more, it would be 5v5 and both scum team will have majority. One of them will win —

and that is the team other than the Werewolves (our theory is the Mafia)

. This is because the Werewolves are missing a member right now, and the Mafia will have the numbers.

So today, the Werewolves have no choice but to hunt the mafia with us or else they lose as well.
We can still elim Werewolves and get out of ELo. We'll get out of even more shit if they killed each other in the night.

Of course, we will know if it's actually 2/2 depending on what moves would our Werewolf PoE be doing today.

I think we should hunt inside Elsa's first wagon:
Dunnstral,

nomnomnom

,

humaneatingmonkey

, KittyTacky,

NDMath

,

T3

, cyrus62,

Elsa Jay

,

ActionDan

(I made myself green. If you don't like it, make your own.)

Unless I misread the signals of our dearly departed, I think KittyTacky is the sure option here. VOTE: VOTE: KittyTacky Bonus points: If someone on the Werewolves bussed, it's probably KittyTacky as well. (Elsa Jay defending him early on could just be ditched in favor of bussing each other.)

I'll take a day off the grass to really get into this game.

[Titus]

I think you should green Dunn given nomnomnom's resistance to the Dunn wagon.

If we do hunt there, I am fine with either but prefer Cyrus.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I wanted to purposely not discuss this because I wanted to give the Masonry some space, but I think we should be massclaiming anyway.

Both Dunn and Cyrus was met with an unconditional townread from nomx3. So I think PoE will be clearer after the massclaim.

[cyrus62]

I think you should green Dunn given nomnomnom's resistance to the Dunn wagon.

If we do hunt there, I am fine with either but prefer Cyrus.

ofc you are VOTE: titus so the reason you killed nom over me is im easyer miselim

[Titus]

You're a particularly hard correct elimination most likely.

I haven't voted you because your blatant transgression is not enough to eliminate you.

My goal for today is to sort Tess. I remember their avatar but not much they have said.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If the Masonry exists outside of Dunn and cyrus, there's a good chance one of them is Mafia.

[cyrus62]

im not a mason im just vt so good luck with that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

unless cyrus was trying to go for a preemptive bus, i doubt KittyTacky vs cyrus is aligned.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think there's a chance that Elsa wagon was all town. I'm guessing there's a high chance that at least one mafia is in there, and a fair chance that at least one Werewolf bussed.

[cyrus62]

.... i wonder if getting my self elim is rule breaking most likely. game has become steal which is boring for me since im just vt.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why are we acting like cyrus is an Innocent Child again?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Are there even VTs in this game? lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm gonna bounce now. Might not be here for a while. Got a lot of things coming up. Just don't rush this day phase. We want to get really close and familiar with everyone today.

[Nero Cain]

Since I have to post while on vacation...

@hem y is it better to vote off of the else wagon than the gamma wagon?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, Cyrus was on both wagons and he could be scum ig but a do nothing andre is also something I'm a bit warry of

[Testarossa]

Elsa Jay (9): Dunnstral,

nomnomnom

, humaneatingmonkey, KittyTacky,

NDMath

,

T3

, cyrus62,

Elsa Jay

,

ActionDan

Gamma Emerald (8): Iecerint, cyrus62, Andresvmb, Dunnstral,

nomnomnom

,

T3

, Titus,

Gamma Emerald

Since both days were pretty one-sided there isn't unfortunately much wagon analysis to do. Looking at both major wagons though I think it's noteworthy that Dunn and cyrus were the only ones (alive) that were on both wagons. Now one of them is most likely out of the pool for obvious reasons. Independent of that I still get no particular scummy vibes from Dunn.

By vote placement and the fact that Elsa threw the towel after his vote cyrus couuuld possibly be a wolf bus, I still don't believe it because of the N1 kills though. Maybe other scum, however he is after those who I suspect to be other scum, so I am less interested in him unless he has a busser reputation.

[Testarossa]

For now I am off Iecerint. His response to my little push was actually decent, especially regarding Elsa, and made me understand more of his mindset, so I am cool here.

We

need

more from Andres today. His whole contribution to this game comes down to a naked Gamma vote, which is, considering the result, not so cool. Hardly readable.

[Testarossa]

I am carefully leaning town on hem and I agree with him that going by the Elsa wagon Kitty is the scummiest player there. My general take is that some scum like it to let the heat cool down after they have been on a lim and looked scummy and he kind of fits that criteria how he fosed Gamma, when a strong wagon was already building up there. Imo a good shot.

As for the Gamma wagon, Andres aside, I dislike Titus vote the most. By placement as well as the situation it was creating a momentum for a speedlim, that I can see coming from scum. For me that was sudden, because I kind of sympathized with her being meh on both D2 wagons and then suddenly she put the gun at Gamma's head. Care to explain where you changed your mind about the Gamma wagon? Maybe it was by 1249, but I don't get what exactly you are meaning there.

[Testarossa]

What is giving me the final push on Titus is her D3 opening though. Her agreeing with Arc please to not speedlim today. I find that difficult to buy. She made the fast Gamma lim possible by literally voting Gamma up to E-1 when at least someone (Kitty) was already circling above Gamma (that Gamma would self-hammer was nothing to expect though). I think she knew very well what she was doing there. Therefore for now VOTE: Titus

[Nero Cain]

I would like a hard claim from Dunn. I understand why people think he's a mason but nom could still defend a non mason and I feel like Dunn's d2 was yuck

[Iecerint]

Catching up

[Iecerint]

VOTE: Arcangel

I think their D2 catch-up post that starts with quoting Dunn about "scum knowing the town well" is extremely vapid/IIOA. Their stance toward Gamma doesn't make any sense -- seeming to want Gamma to engage with them ("who do you think is the scum gamma") but then not appearing concerned with Gamma not wanting to play (ignoring that Gamma posts to say something vapid). If she is scum, I suspect her scumfriend was already on Gamma-wagon, given the roundabout way she communicated a desire to join the wagon.

[Iecerint]

Gamma wagon when she was reticent: [Iecerint], cyrus62, Andresvmb, Dunnstral, [nomnomnom]

That would mean the buddy is probably Cyrus or Andres.

Disclaimer: I haven't played with AA in a very long time and don't remember if there's something idiosyncratic about how they play that accounts for their behavior.

[Titus]

What is giving me the final push on Titus is her D3 opening though. Her agreeing with Arc please to not speedlim today. I find that difficult to buy. She made the fast Gamma lim possible by literally voting Gamma up to E-1 when at least someone (Kitty) was already circling above Gamma (that Gamma would self-hammer was nothing to expect though). I think she knew very well what she was doing there. Therefore for now VOTE: Titus

Situations changed. I felt mechanically that Gamma had to be scum. I also didn't expect town!Gamma to blindly self hammer rather than give reads. The way Gamma played that was all wrong. My vote was incorrect but I didn't encourage Gamma's self hammer.

Here, we need to take things slower. I wanted to specifically look at you today and you immediately pop out with a vote on me.