MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #4

Xlos (0):
Almost50 (2): Xlos (989), Toogeloo (1093)
Jake the Wolfie (1): Jake the Wolfie (1004)
Titus (1): MathBlade (1066)

Toogeloo (3) (F-2): Galron (976), DrippingGoofball (1074), Titus (1075)

Not Voting (2): WhemeStar, Almost50

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-08 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-14 21:45:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them

[Jake The Wolfie]

What if, wild guess, scum have a redirector/bus drivor?

That's something scum would say.

Why is that something Scum would say?

I mean DGB wrote that entire post as if I am town then put in the shade later like omg.

Maybe it's because I don't know your alignment and I keep wavering? Every post of yours I read, I go back and forth a dozen times.

If you had to give an irreversible read on MathBlade right now, what would it be?

At the top of the next page I am done will look after work / cooking tonight but Titus blatantly sheeping DGB seems wrong.

If the Toog elim succeeds and Toog is town I want in A50/DGB period. I know Toog is in my super elim pool but I want the scum in that trio.

Players that you'd think aren't in this game just reading MathBlade's iso:

Xlos
Galron
Jake The Wolfie
WhemeStar

Yeah, I'd like to see more from MathBlade about these players too. Especially because taking a break from reanalyzing the players you've been reading can help youdevelop better angles you didn't see before.

[Toogeloo]

unless Toog is some higher tier scum player (which to be fair I don’t remember/haven’t seen their scum game).

Just saw this.

Uh... Don't look at my Mafia Aligned games in my wiki.

[Xlos]

Is Toog...

• a town roleblocker
  who happened to
  block a player who claimed to be a conditional PR
  ?
  
• scum (any role or goon)
  who
  pretended
  to have blocked nom to give credence to nom's claim of having been roleblocked?

I don't think it's the second option because I don't think scum cared that much about saving nomnomnom much. He was doomed - as soon as he claimed friendly neighbor, he was guaranteed to die at some point in the next few days.

And I didn't feel that there was that much support for postponing the nomnomnom annihilation. (As the only person pushing for it, it would have been reassuring) Most of the reason it took so long is cause people were willing to give time for discussion first. Nomnomnom was even trying to get himself hammered. Scum would need to risk sticking their neck out just to use nomnomnom's power the next night, and it wasn't really that great of a power (scum doctor?). I wouldn't be that surprised if all 3 scum were on that wagon.

The friendly neighbor claim doesn't really make any sense to me though.

I do agree that other things Toog did are scummy because of their strange night actions that they still haven't explained and what you mentioned in 1033. But IMO the second option in your list doesn't make sense.

A50 and Xlos deserve further consideration. ... Xlos was seeking categories which made a flavor check easier.

The categories couldn't have made a flavor check easier, see below.

@Xlos, why doesn't the argument you make against A50 apply to you seeking if people were algebra geometry or calculus?

A50 has a role that gives reason to believe role flavor impacts the game, I dont.
A50 is asking for specific role flavor, I was asking for something weaker.
Since peoples roles are all calculus based, anyone claiming not analysis would have been scumtelling. Otherwise no info is leaked.

I personally think it was a good series of posts D1. Even if there were algebra/geometry people, the categories aren't related to the roles so town loses nothing. Though my gambit was similar to A50's, mine was much safer.

[Titus]

I don't think it's the second option because I don't think scum cared that much about saving nomnomnom much. He was doomed - as soon as he claimed friendly neighbor, he was guaranteed to die at some point in the next few days.

Why was Nom so hard to eliminate if scum weren't trying to swing it elsewhere? Like you were.

[DrippingGoofball]

A bunch of players were gunning for MY head, so personally I didn't find nomnomnom an easy elim at all,

au contraire

.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ Jake

• Why is that something Scum would say?
  Bringing up redirectors is a great way to sow confusion, which you really want to do as scum. Speaking for myself...
  
  
• If you had to give an irreversible read on MathBlade right now, what would it be?
  Really bad town, maybe? He's usually so good at reading me, it's suspicious to me that he's failing so bad. I'm also bothered by the chunk of the player list he's choosing to ignore.

[Titus]

A bunch of players were gunning for MY head, so personally I didn't find nomnomnom an easy elim at all,

au contraire

.

I think the only reason nomnomnom got through at any rate of speed is because I had nom doubts (wanted Toog more at the time) but we needed town to work together as a block. If I don't make that bargain, town doesn't vote together as a unit.

[Toogeloo]

I do agree that other things Toog did are scummy because of their strange night actions that they still haven't explained and what you mentioned in 1033.

I have explained both my night actions. As for DGBs 1033, well, that's not something I can explain, I guess.

[Toogeloo]

I think the only reason nomnomnom got through at any rate of speed is because I had nom doubts (wanted Toog more at the time) but we needed town to work together as a block. If I don't make that bargain, town doesn't vote together as a unit.

How egotistical.

[Titus]

I could see Math as scum. Math was really early to want to hammer and being obtuse about why people would want more discussion but I think DGB's read is correct. Waffle.

[Titus]

I think the only reason nomnomnom got through at any rate of speed is because I had nom doubts (wanted Toog more at the time) but we needed town to work together as a block. If I don't make that bargain, town doesn't vote together as a unit.

How egotistical.

I have my moments.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

Let me know if you decide to wagon Xlos anytime soon. Else, I am not voting a townie, and won't be here to see you lose the game for town.

[Xlos]

I don't think it's the second option because I don't think scum cared that much about saving nomnomnom much. He was doomed - as soon as he claimed friendly neighbor, he was guaranteed to die at some point in the next few days.

Why was Nom so hard to eliminate if scum weren't trying to swing it elsewhere? Like you were.

For me, it's easy to say there was little resistance because I was the main person providing resistance. So from my perspective scum seems to have done a lot less. Also, postponing the annihilation on nom is not that unreasonable of a move IMO, so I think some resistance is to be expected. But I think that town had basically decided by 699, after that,

Most of the reason it took so long is cause people were willing to give time for discussion first.

Surely you can at least agree that scum had given up by 696? Maybe you can get some reads from before that point.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: A50

Let me know if you decide to wagon Xlos anytime soon. Else, I am not voting a townie, and won't be here to see you lose the game for town.

Are.. you implying that you are not town?

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: A50

Let me know if you decide to wagon Xlos anytime soon. Else, I am not voting a townie, and won't be here to see you lose the game for town.

Are.. you implying that you are not town?

I'm hearing the self vote is a vote for scum.

[WhemeStar]

Im so lost with this game. I want xios still. I feel like I always agree with TItus but I keep thinking Titus is scum so idk theyre probably town.

Jake is a good vote.

A50 is 50/50 for me right now.

mathblade is confusing.

DGB hard town will probably sheep them.

[Xlos]

I do agree that other things Toog did are scummy because of their strange night actions that they still haven't explained and what you mentioned in 1033.

I have explained both my night actions. As for DGBs 1033, well, that's not something I can explain, I guess.

How could you leave me to crawl through your ISO for 1073 and 940

You feeling suspicious of nomnomnom entering N1 as you indicated in post 940 seems inconsistent with your early D2 posts which, iirc, had a more favorable/neutral position on their alignment.

[MathBlade]

I do like A50's request to kill xlos, with the "tonight I guarantee," caveat, however.

A50 is going to hide with Xlos, if A50 dies then we know Xlos is scum. That's super townie.

A50's hide is a joke IMO.

Why in the world would you hint this?

If A50 is scum then you’ve given him an out.

If A50 is town you’ve nuked his attempts to draw the night kill.

I don’t get you right now Titus.

Catching up while waiting for oven to preheat then Critical Role we will see how far I get.

[MathBlade]

I do like A50's request to kill xlos, with the "tonight I guarantee," caveat, however.

A50 is going to hide with Xlos, if A50 dies then we know Xlos is scum. That's super townie.

A50's hide is a joke IMO.

Who am I to stop a vanilla townie from trying to draw the kill?

Okay DGB gets some Townie points for this. Maybe it did just get a guilty.

[MathBlade]

I do like A50's request to kill xlos, with the "tonight I guarantee," caveat, however.

A50 is going to hide with Xlos, if A50 dies then we know Xlos is scum. That's super townie.

A50's hide is a joke IMO.

Who am I to stop a vanilla townie from trying to draw the kill?

Fair enough. I was wrong.

Titus admitting she’s wrong?

*scum pings x1000*

[MathBlade]

What if, wild guess, scum have a redirector/bus drivor?

That's something scum would say.

I don’t think so. I think Jake knows when to holster his trolling and when to town and I think I am starting to see it.

I just hope he can see what I can enable or could depending on how he sees English/history or whatever

[MathBlade]

At the top of the next page I am done will look after work / cooking tonight but Titus blatantly sheeping DGB seems wrong.

If the Toog elim succeeds and Toog is town I want in A50/DGB period. I know Toog is in my super elim pool but I want the scum in that trio.

Players that you'd think aren't in this game just reading MathBlade's iso:

Xlos
Galron
Jake The Wolfie
WhemeStar

That’s correct.

Because I am looking for the active scum.

With the exception of Xlos scum in those slots exist they will absolutely be crushed by this player list.

I am more concerned about a Titus/A50/Toog scum than I am the others.

Xlos if scum I can tell doesn’t seem to have a grip on mechanics so if he’s scum we can probably just fluster him and he will break.

Galron is pretty much lurker at this point which is NAI.

Jake is trolling and I think I am starting to put him together. Definitely not an elim today.

WhemeStar is pretty content lite active lurking. I want to see Townie pings from him.

But that’s about as much time as I want to devote to those slots with the triad going. I see maybe one scum at best and think it’s a waste of time to focus there.

[MathBlade]

At the top of the next page I am done will look after work / cooking tonight but Titus blatantly sheeping DGB seems wrong.

If the Toog elim succeeds and Toog is town I want in A50/DGB period. I know Toog is in my super elim pool but I want the scum in that trio.

Players that you'd think aren't in this game just reading MathBlade's iso:

Xlos
Galron
Jake The Wolfie
WhemeStar

That’s correct.

Because I am looking for the active scum.

With the exception of Xlos scum in those slots exist they will absolutely be crushed by this player list.

I am more concerned about a Titus/A50/Toog scum than I am the others.

Xlos if scum I can tell doesn’t seem to have a grip on mechanics so if he’s scum we can probably just fluster him and he will break.

Galron is pretty much lurker at this point which is NAI.

Jake is trolling and I think I am starting to put him together. Definitely not an elim today.

WhemeStar is pretty content lite active lurking. I want to see Townie pings from him.

But that’s about as much time as I want to devote to those slots with the triad going. I see maybe one scum at best and think it’s a waste of time to focus there.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: A50

I should be voting in my trip despite how much Titus is pissing me off atm. She’s better than this.