Newbie 2072: All Guns Blazing!! - Ended

[Lukewarm]

Zyla and Pav -- your experience with me has been 2 nearly flawless games, back to back.

Marci -- you have at told me that you you think I am good at this game.

Alstro, I know this is second hand, but as you can see, I have left good impression in my past games

I want to play with the famous "rising star"

This is me saying that this is it. This is the time that I am trying to call in that impression I have left behind. I am asking that your past expeiecen with me buy me exactly 1 day 1 vote -- if I am wrong, then you can never follow me anywhere in future games

[Lukewarm]

I do feel like I should be pretty obviously in my town game for anyone who has played with me before, especially [..] Zyla

This is also kind of interesting to me however, we've established in our previous game that I'm not yet sure on how to differentiate town! and scum!Luke, so why would it be obvious?

Why would scum me, ever dive head first into this, and volunteer myself to be the flip tomorrow after a Val flip? This is a suicidal play as scum, and I feel like that should be fairly obvious

And to be frank, I would have expected to see the similarities in how this is playing out in my town game. Where I reached 100% certainty that T3 was scum, and then whipped up the votes

[Lukewarm]

I think that Val taking the "see, he is scum trying to mis elim me" angle, instead of settling into a "Luke is town, just misguided town" is frankly a misplay in his part. I think that my current play is fairly obviously town (even if I am wrong, which I seriously doubt)

[Val89]

[Lukewarm]

I would also point out, that he seems completely unworried about the possibility that I am tunneled town, and that my absolute certainty could lead to 2 town miselims back to back Instead, he is settling into just say that I am flailing scum (which, again, Zyla and Pav have seen my scum game - and come on)

And he is so sure I am scum because,

I, uh... think he is scum?.. and...
**checks notes**
took his early posts seriously


That is enough for him to be unphased by the idea of us both going getting elim'ed?

[Zyla]

These ISO posts are not going to be scum or town cases, just my general read and a few posts that I wanted to comment on

Alstro - Town Lean

[.. I was] comparing your town play in 2068 with your scum play in The Backrooms (2065), and at the time I thought I was seeing more in line with 2065. The most recent string of posts (starting 140ish) makes me feel better, putting you more at a null.

Fair enough, I'm not quite sure I see it, but that seems reasonable

At the time of [my] voting, your ISO .. had mostly questions to other people (68, 70, 84, 119) ... and ... which is fair but in my opinion not the most productive area of focus.

How come? Questions seem essential in this game to me, they let you see where people are coming from, and can be helpful in both creating useful cases and discarding poor ones. Readlists and the like are useful, but IME they're most useful in something that you talk about with other people - when they ask questions about them

So, I don't know if what the article is saying about [self-voting] being "unreadable and inherently unhelpful" is necessarily true in this case.

The article does

mostly

seem to be about RVS votes, so while it does mention scum self-hammers, I mostly read it as self-RVS being bad more than anything

[Zyla]

Skipping Luke for double ISO with Val

Marci - Null

[In response to 13-23]
yeah it was a scum team accusation

To clarify if anyone is still confused, I did know that it was a (joking) scum team accusation, but at least to me it's a funny joke with Luke

[Zyla]

Not_Mafia - Null

It's a game, and you seem to be having fun, which is good. I hope Luke is correct that you're good at scumhunting
Also, I may have said that I was down for PE earlier (partially for reactions), but I'm down for you helping us remember that it is, after all, just a game. Apologies if I seemed rude earlier

If I were voting seriously at this point, I'd be voting Lukewarm

Has this changed with more information? If it's Luke or Val today, would you still pick Luke?

[Portia]

Things I know I never like: self voting.

Things I know: I’m aggrieved hammered again (this week is the one I took off work)

Things I want to know: why Zola and Astro haven’t made any impression on me so far.

Things I want to do : bullshit at mafia for a bit.

Whos with me?

[Portia]

As for nm, he is actively following which is more than I would expect given meta.

[marcistar]

239 wtf luke? i dont think i've ever seen u self vote before o-o

I do feel like I should be pretty obviously in my town game for anyone who has played with me before.

usually ur so obvious town, but this game doesnt feel like the other ones ive seen from you.. granted i dont think ive ever seen u so sure of something on d1

@Marci - the last time you saw me this sure on a read, it was in regards to how Bingle played Day 1 of our last game, which narrowed the suspects down to exactly [Hopkrik, Vanders] - Bingle later confirmed everything I theorized about him

• I am calling you in for your vote as well.

Marci -- you have at told me that you you think I am good at this game.

i do think ur very good. at this point ur going

so hard

at it, i think one of luke/val as an elim would be best, i don't think anyones heads will be clear unless we get some answers from this
i don't want to rush into it though, we have a while still.

And to be frank, I would have expected to see the similarities in how this is playing out in my town game. Where I reached 100% certainty that T3 was scum, and then whipped up the votes

can anyone confirm?

[Zyla]

And to be frank, I would have expected to see the similarities in how this is playing out in my town game. Where I reached 100% certainty that T3 was scum, and then whipped up the votes

can anyone confirm?

I believe he is referring to our Newbie 2065

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

239 wtf luke? i dont think i've ever seen u self vote before o-o

I do feel like I should be pretty obviously in my town game for anyone who has played with me before.

usually ur so obvious town, but this game doesnt feel like the other ones ive seen from you.. granted i dont think ive ever seen u so sure of something on d1

@Marci - the last time you saw me this sure on a read, it was in regards to how Bingle played Day 1 of our last game, which narrowed the suspects down to exactly [Hopkrik, Vanders] - Bingle later confirmed everything I theorized about him

• I am calling you in for your vote as well.

Marci -- you have at told me that you you think I am good at this game.

i do think ur very good. at this point ur going

so hard

at it, i think one of luke/val as an elim would be best, i don't think anyones heads will be clear unless we get some answers from this
i don't want to rush into it though, we have a while still.

And to be frank, I would have expected to see the similarities in how this is playing out in my town game. Where I reached 100% certainty that T3 was scum, and then whipped up the votes

can anyone confirm?

Marci -- you literally just saw me go at least this hard (if nor harder) in that neighborhood game lol

[Portia]

I don’t want to eliminate Val or Luke. They keep thread Alice to an e stent I think town suffers regardless of the flip. I want to see where they push off each other. Bet that might just be me.

[Zyla]

Portia - Null Scum

There’s something about the implicit contradiction in that post that just rings town to me.

I don't know about this. Too scummy to be scum just doesn't seem very reliable.

I was finding your tunnel unhelpful.
..
I don’t think you v p person is tvt.

As for the earlier question about how I could not like the 1v1 and still find it alignment/tone indicative

Now hold on a moment, you didn't say you didn't like it, you said it wasn't useful, there's a big difference there

Zola

Hehe, that's a new spelling

[Zyla]

Umlaut and Luke vs Val will wait until tomorrow as something just came up and I'll need to head to bed after dealing with it

[marcistar]

Marci -- you literally just saw me go at least this hard (if nor harder) in that neighborhood game lol

i dont remember it being on d1 tho, i thought it was later on..? am i misremembering

[Portia]

Yea spellings not my forte

Please explain the difference between not liking it a d. It finding it useful. To me they confirm the same idea.

And there was nothing about the post I called out as scummy. Rather it’s two surface ideas that don’t cohere. And the willingness to post both in one spelled a lack of self confidence. Do you disagree?

[Lukewarm]

I don’t want to eliminate Val or Luke. They keep thread Alice to an e stent I think town suffers regardless of the flip. I want to see where they push off each other. Bet that might just be me.

^^ My guess for Val's partner by the way

And has been before this post 227

This is also a strange post on top of it. They have already stated that they believe that the me v "

p person

" Val was detrimental to the thread.

Now they think that we should both be kept alive, because it is better for the town to keep us both?

My guess is that the scum team knows that eliming in Me,Val is bad, but also don't think that Val can be the one to move it away.

Setting up the idea that either one of us / both of us would turn on him is strange angle as well

[Portia]

Not self confidence. Rather lack of self-checking. Lack of self-awareness. Think I. Got it right this time.

[Portia]

The egg will taste good either way Luke

[Lukewarm]

Marci -- you literally just saw me go at least this hard (if nor harder) in that neighborhood game lol

i dont remember it being on d1 tho, i thought it was later on..? am i misremembering

I went pretty hard on that "Everyone should always vote between [Hopkirk,Bingle]" on Day 1.

But I will admit that I went harder on stuff day 2/3

[Portia]

I wasn’t trying to set up the idea that it would turn on me. That was a phone autocurooredt. It was : but maybe that’s just me. Rather than I bet it’s me. I wa showing to leave that autocorrect be though til you called it.

[Lukewarm]

To be clear, I do not think that we should ever pivot to Portia here -- and I would never advocate voting for Portia before a Val flip --

If I am wrong, and Val does somehow flip town, most of my read there would go away -- but once Val flips scum, this is the next place I would look

[Lukewarm]

I wasn’t trying to set up the idea that it would turn on me. That was a phone autocurooredt. It was : but maybe that’s just me. Rather than I bet it’s me. I wa showing to leave that autocorrect be though til you called it.

I see. I will edit my post accordingly

^^ My guess for Val's partner by the way

And has been before this post 227

This is also a strange post on top of it. They have already stated that they believe that the me v "

p person

" Val was detrimental to the thread.

Now they think that we should both be kept alive, because it is better for the town to keep us both?

My guess is that the scum team knows that eliming in Me,Val is bad, but also don't think that Val can be the one to move it away.

Setting up the idea that either one of us / both of us would turn on him is strange angle as well