MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[MathBlade]

unless Toog is some higher tier scum player (which to be fair I don’t remember/haven’t seen their scum game).

Just saw this.

Uh... Don't look at my Mafia Aligned games in my wiki.

So you’re good scum.

Can you convince me of a good reason you’re town here?

I don’t think it’s a smart scum move what you did on D2 but gonna give DGB a shake here and see if its town and right on you.

I gotta go for Critical Role sorry for the lots posts be back later

Hard to respond to every thing on phone in one post

[Titus]

Xlos if scum I can tell doesn’t seem to have a grip on mechanics so if he’s scum we can probably just fluster him and he will break.

Then why are you stopping us from flustering him?

[MathBlade]

Xlos if scum I can tell doesn’t seem to have a grip on mechanics so if he’s scum we can probably just fluster him and he will break.

Then why are you stopping us from flustering him?

I am not. I am saying it’s suboptimal and bad because it breaks away from the mechanical trio that has to have scum in it so deviating from that trio is scummy to me.

[Toogeloo]

had a more favorable/neutral position on their alignment.

I wouldn't say that... But draw your own conclusions. It is Mafia after all.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

Let me know if you decide to wagon Xlos anytime soon. Else, I am not voting a townie, and won't be here to see you lose the game for town.

Are.. you implying that you are not town?

No, smart one. I am saying TOOG IS TOWN.

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #5

Xlos (0):

Almost50 (4) (F-1): Xlos (989), Toogeloo (1093), Almost50 (1112), MathBlade (1124)

Jake the Wolfie (1): Jake the Wolfie (1004)
Titus (0):

Toogeloo (3) (F-2): Galron (976), DrippingGoofball (1074), Titus (1075)

Not Voting (1): WhemeStar

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-08 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-14 21:45:00).

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2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them

[Almost50]

I want xios still.

If you want Xlos then VOTE XLOS. If Titus wants Xlos she should be voting Xlos. If someone votes Xlos I will join the wagon on Xlos. Just don't you all keep saying it when nobody's doing it.

[Almost50]

If A50 is town you’ve nuked his attempts to draw the night kill.

Says the one pushing for my elimination TODAY

[Almost50]

VOTE: Xlos

Last call for the Xlos train.

But if I am @E-1 and I'm online I will self-hammer, so Scum can rest-assured I am still self-voting in spirit

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: xlos

Sure.

[Xlos]

I do agree that other things Toog did are scummy because of their strange night actions that they still haven't explained and what you mentioned in 1033.

I have explained both my night actions. As for DGBs 1033, well, that's not something I can explain, I guess.

But if I am @E-1 and I'm online I will self-hammer, so Scum can rest-assured I am still self-voting in spirit

My inexperience is really showing, I have no clue why people are self-hammering. Even Flea's posts 322 were pretty close to that...

Well, I guess I can join the jester style competition.

Evil Things Xlos has done/tried to do:
1) Voting Flea
2) Moving towards giving nomnomnom an extra day to use their power.
3) Being inconsistent about wanting flavor
4) Being generally suspicious
Annihilate them now!
VOTE: Xlos
I think that's all for the list, though.

But enough jokes.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Almost50
2 is a pretty crazy move for scum to do. Purposively, getting an extra day to use nomnomnom's power is valuable enough that I'm willing to sacrifice a good chunk of my reputation. And I think I've debunked 3 on the last page. So it just doesn't seem like that great of an elim to me.

I'm wondering if nomnomnom self hammering was an indication that scum didn't want an alternative scum to die. Maybe nomnomnom's power was the weakest of the scum. That might make sense, considering the supposed abundance of power roles. Or maybe they were just tired with the day. It definitely feels like a sacrifice from scumside. Plus the fact that DGB is claiming a 1 shot cop, and they claimed that exact role before... I definitely have gotten some of mathblades paranoia while thinking about all of this. I don't think DGB is a good elim now, but it is pretty strange.

[Xlos]

Also FYI for those that plan to vote on me, the second letter in my name is a lowercase L, not a capital i.

[Jake The Wolfie]

They aren't xlos when they use an eye.

I should probably go find the magical case for why Xlos is town before voting them.

[MathBlade]

I don't think it's the second option because I don't think scum cared that much about saving nomnomnom much. He was doomed - as soon as he claimed friendly neighbor, he was guaranteed to die at some point in the next few days.

Why was Nom so hard to eliminate if scum weren't trying to swing it elsewhere? Like you were.

He was mainly hard to eliminate because you begged me not to hammer then people seemed to try to save him both A50 and Xlos. I will have to double check but I think that’s the order on that. You said not to hammer until Tuesday but I never really understood what you wanted to see or your point. Why exactly did you vote Nom before Tuesday?

It kinda makes me feel like by play you and A50 makes sense. You ask me not to hammer yet until you can get something of value. Since I am sorting you thinking you’re town but wondering what you want, then A50 has to do the fishing. If you did after asking for a stall it would be suspicious.

A50 votes me of sheer frustration when I call him out on his BS. He’s never really pushed it though. Each time it’s more shade.

As I have said before when I die my play will become incredibly obvious why I did what I did.

All of it makes sense, so scum can’t actually miselim me. They can’t kill me.

They can only hope to make me look bad.

So here’s where I am torn.

Simply because A50 and Toog back fo back on Xlos is really bad, like that vote movement is hella bad. But if I let it go then I kinda prove my point one of them is very likely scum especially with Toog immediately sheeping A50 after voting him and if I stop it I literally am doing the thing I said I am not doing.

But that wagon movement is so bad that I am kinda convinced Xlos would flip town from it so I am like wtf?

It’s a literal damned if I do damned if I don’t situation.

Like I see Titus + A50 making sense EOD

But Toog voting Xlos right after is so freaking bad.

This literally confuses me. I don’t know what to think.

I am going to bed and will look back in the AM. There has to be something I am missing here.

[Ircher]

Prodding Galron (1d 10h). He has (expired on 2021-07-10 18:00:00) to respond in-thread before I seek a replacement.

[MathBlade]

Woke up too late to do a look back.

Kind of expected Titus and other people to be online.

Where is everyone?

[Jake The Wolfie]

They feel into the hole.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Math, do you primarily thing A50 is scum because they were shading you?

[DrippingGoofball]

Woke up too late to do a look back.

Kind of expected Titus and other people to be online.

Where is everyone?

I'm here for a while.

[MathBlade]

Math, do you primarily thing A50 is scum because they were shading you?

I think A50 is scum because
A> Neighbor with Wheme informed of flavor claim makes no sense. It’s more likely Nom flavor checked Wheme. If we assume DGB is town for the sake of argument and A50 is town for the sake of argument, then you have three people would have ways of alignment/role checks.

This informed flavor also cannot be something that he would have just received from his hood mate Wheme d2 because then no reason to start the flavor claim in the first place.

So I find it very unlikely that on top of this A50 is also a hider.

B> A50 was pushing flavor and not the guilty. A50’s hero solve was DGB town nom town and pushing in Xlos Wheme and you Iirc. This was 100 posts after voting me and not doing a damn thing with it. I think scum A50 thinks y’all are easy miselims. Town A50 posts more and is a lot more consistent.

C> He hasn’t demonstrated how his reads have changed despite declaring DGBvNom TvT. Instead it’s more outlandish claims.

D> When I vote him he tries to barter with me for another day. I don’t barter with scum. Nom tried bartering we elimmed there.

E> Take out a piece of paper and write out all the claims so far including a50s. Put them all in the town column. On the scum side put a one shot flavor cop and a one shot doctor (which implies the presence of a vig so for shits and giggles add a one shot vig to the town column). If you can’t think of a set of powers that would balance this out then the most likely solution is there is a liar in the claims.

At first I tried scum roleblocker (other than Toog) > No one else claimed blocked and if Toog is town they could easily block T3 and setup Toog to take the fall. So roleblocker is out.

Then I thought redirector/busdriver but they would need unlimited shots to account for nights one and two and somehow divine the existence of cops. Once one claimed a check, doc on them. So a strongman would likely exist in this world but again with two shot roleblocker and doctor it would have to be unlimited.

I went through and tried to balance this and I just can’t with such a weak PR flip from Nom.

I think him shading me is all he can do as scum.

Pedit:DGB what do you make of the Xlos wagon?

[MathBlade]

Clocking in now bbl

[Titus]

Woke up too late to do a look back.

Kind of expected Titus and other people to be online.

Where is everyone?

I'm in court.

[Titus]

There has to be something I am missing here.

You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

Hunting everyone can help you find which one or more of your 3 is scum.

[Titus]

A> Neighbor with Wheme informed of flavor claim makes no sense. It’s more likely Nom flavor checked Wheme. If we assume DGB is town for the sake of argument and A50 is town for the sake of argument, then you have three people would have ways of alignment/role checks.

This assumption requires that Toog didn't block wheme.

[Titus]

*Toog didn't block Nom.