MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[WhemeStar]

I think most everything is one or two shot. A50's "check" doesn't confirm Wheme as town. DGB is one shot, which leaves it prone to the bussing argument. Toog is unlikely to stop a kill. It follows scum are limited shot as well. We've likely blown our payload.

What’s his check? Sorry must have missed it

[MathBlade]

@Titus: I

am

using Math theories. nom was "Derivatives" and had a Flavour

Cop

shot. T3 was Second "Derivative" Test and was a Modified Role

cop

. DGB is First "Derivative" Test, and claimed 1-shot Alignment

Cop

. If Flavour is indicative of ROLE (which it is from the Mod's quote I quoted yesterday) then Derivativ(s) = Cop. This should be enough for me to put DGB as an IC already.

Now I am a "Test" and so is Wheme, so I am assuming ... WAIT! Wheme isn't clear by this. He could be "Informed Scum" still. I'll let MATHBLADE decide on it. Wheme is "Root Test".

@Wheme

Still lurking as I can will address stuff later

[Galron]

I see. Root Test is a math term. I missed that.

[Galron]

So there are Tests, Thoerems and Derivatives. The Derivatives are not AI. I guess there's no reason to expect that the rest of them are either. So all this flavor fishing/hunting whatever was for naught. But why would there be a flavor cop?

[Galron]

Xlos, Mathblade are there things equivalent to Tests, Thoerems and Derivatives that I'm missing?

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #6

Xlos (2): Almost50 (1133), Toogeloo (1134)
Almost50 (2): Xlos (1135), MathBlade (1124)
Jake the Wolfie (1): Jake the Wolfie (1004)
Titus (0):

Toogeloo (3) (F-2): Galron (976), DrippingGoofball (1074), Titus (1075)

Not Voting (1): WhemeStar

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-08 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-14 21:45:00).

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Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them

[Galron]

I guess Flea was a Method and Murdercat was a Limit. So I don't know what flavor has to do with anything really.

[Galron]

Should we wait for Galron's slot to come back before we axe Toog, or nah? I don't really feel comfortable axing Toog if Galron's slot didn't want to axe them, but on the other hand if Toog is scum then I don't really care what Galron says.

Don't like Jake rushing to lim Toog.

Excuse me? I'm not even voting Toog here, let alone rushing to axe them. What the hell, Titus.

You're kinda driving that way. We've got lots of time left and you're talking about burning him without any further discussion.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: snip!

It assumes that Toog was unsuccessful.
Toog could have submitted it as was driven/redirected elsewhere.
It doesn’t assume Toog didn’t block Wheme.

Wait what? I don't understand any of this.

I did only score a C+ in Cal II... I'm very proud of the "+" but it's not helping me in this game.

This is my suggestion (assuming you are town)
Toog submits to the moderator “I want to RB Nom”
Nom submits “I want to flavor cop Wheme / Y”
Scum submits either redirect Toog to X
Or Toog and Y busdriven

Then when Nom gets guiltied he fake claims out his butt and Toog then announces he blocked Noom which then makes the fake claim plausible and scum learn of a roleblocker.

In this world scum A50’s team checked Wheme and since Wheme didn’t go “I am not Root Test” you scummy mcscumscum then it’s safe to say that is accurate knowledge.

So A50 neighbor hider informed flavor doesn’t make sense but A50 scum does

Nom's claim doesn't make sense with a bus driver. He was either blocked or scum with Toog.

So you're saying Nom was.. Fakeclaiming?

Possible but not certain.

Either a) Toog blocked him or b) Toog is scum.

Nom doesn't claim blocked without backup.

Did I miss where Nom flipped friendly neighbor scum?

Of course he was fake claiming. How is that not certain.

Nom has to claim blocked because *gasp* fake claim.

Like I just can’t. I was going to catch up but I am kinda wondering if Titus is trying to townslip with just how bad that post is. Or if she is trying to fake not knowing something and did so badly.

Jake DGB thoughts?

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: snip!

It assumes that Toog was unsuccessful.
Toog could have submitted it as was driven/redirected elsewhere.
It doesn’t assume Toog didn’t block Wheme.

Wait what? I don't understand any of this.

I did only score a C+ in Cal II... I'm very proud of the "+" but it's not helping me in this game.

This is my suggestion (assuming you are town)
Toog submits to the moderator “I want to RB Nom”
Nom submits “I want to flavor cop Wheme / Y”
Scum submits either redirect Toog to X
Or Toog and Y busdriven

Then when Nom gets guiltied he fake claims out his butt and Toog then announces he blocked Noom which then makes the fake claim plausible and scum learn of a roleblocker.

In this world scum A50’s team checked Wheme and since Wheme didn’t go “I am not Root Test” you scummy mcscumscum then it’s safe to say that is accurate knowledge.

So A50 neighbor hider informed flavor doesn’t make sense but A50 scum does

Nom's claim doesn't make sense with a bus driver. He was either blocked or scum with Toog.

So you're saying Nom was.. Fakeclaiming?

Possible but not certain.

Either a) Toog blocked him or b) Toog is scum.

Nom doesn't claim blocked without backup.

Is everyone just now reaching this conclusion?

Considering it doesn’t count Toog being redirected or bussed as one of the possibilities, no I am not there.

[Titus]

Most mods consider that bastard.

[MathBlade]

Not bastard just not normal.

We are in a theme game.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Normal rules

[Jake The Wolfie]

Here's the Game Queue post.

This game is not bastard under the Theme Queue's rules.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: snip!

It assumes that Toog was unsuccessful.
Toog could have submitted it as was driven/redirected elsewhere.
It doesn’t assume Toog didn’t block Wheme.

Wait what? I don't understand any of this.

I did only score a C+ in Cal II... I'm very proud of the "+" but it's not helping me in this game.

This is my suggestion (assuming you are town)
Toog submits to the moderator “I want to RB Nom”
Nom submits “I want to flavor cop Wheme / Y”
Scum submits either redirect Toog to X
Or Toog and Y busdriven

Then when Nom gets guiltied he fake claims out his butt and Toog then announces he blocked Noom which then makes the fake claim plausible and scum learn of a roleblocker.

In this world scum A50’s team checked Wheme and since Wheme didn’t go “I am not Root Test” you scummy mcscumscum then it’s safe to say that is accurate knowledge.

So A50 neighbor hider informed flavor doesn’t make sense but A50 scum does

Nom's claim doesn't make sense with a bus driver. He was either blocked or scum with Toog.

So you're saying Nom was.. Fakeclaiming?

Possible but not certain.

Either a) Toog blocked him or b) Toog is scum.

Nom doesn't claim blocked without backup.

Did I miss where Nom flipped friendly neighbor scum?

Of course he was fake claiming. How is that not certain.

Nom has to claim blocked because *gasp* fake claim.

Like I just can’t. I was going to catch up but I am kinda wondering if Titus is trying to townslip with just how bad that post is. Or if she is trying to fake not knowing something and did so badly.

Jake DGB thoughts?

Jake I asked you a question dude.

[Jake The Wolfie]

snip!

Nom's claim doesn't make sense with a bus driver. He was either blocked or scum with Toog.

So you're saying Nom was.. Fakeclaiming?

Possible but not certain.

Either a) Toog blocked him or b) Toog is scum.

Nom doesn't claim blocked without backup.

Did I miss where Nom flipped friendly neighbor scum?

Of course he was fake claiming. How is that not certain.

Nom has to claim blocked because *gasp* fake claim.

Like I just can’t. I was going to catch up but I am kinda wondering if Titus is trying to townslip with just how bad that post is. Or if she is trying to fake not knowing something and did so badly.

Jake DGB thoughts?

I think when Titus said that, she meant he wouldn't claim that without backup from his scumbuddies.

That or Titus legitimately didn't know that Nom was scum, but I don't find that likely.

[Toogeloo]

Either a) Toog blocked him or b) Toog is scum.

Translation...

Toog is either town or scum.

[Toogeloo]

I just want to understand why I'm being scum read. Because all I see is that some people don't believe that I blocked nom, and thought I was trying to save them. Is that the gist of it? No damning evidence, no other associatives, just the refusal to believe that I blocked nom.

[MathBlade]

Mine is mechanics is why you’re in my PoE.

(For this argument assume all claimed are town)
We have a claimed 1shot cop, a flipped rolecop, and a flipped doctor. Primary thing to counter that is a roleblocker, and a claimed whatever A50 is, a claimed roleblocker (you), and likely a vig by Nom’s flip.

If the vig fires n1, one shot cop n1, rolecop N2 worse case for scum three guilties/flips.
Ergo scum have some obscene level of power that hasn’t flipped or someone claiming is scum.

The latter seems more probable and roleblocker is pretty likely given rolecop and doctor flips.

[Toogeloo]

Seems like a pretty steep rabbit hole.

[MathBlade]

What seems like a steep rabbit hole?

[Xlos]

I just want to understand why I'm being scum read. Because all I see is that some people don't believe that I blocked nom, and thought I was trying to save them. Is that the gist of it? No damning evidence, no other associatives, just the refusal to believe that I blocked nom.

The funny thing is that this is the towniest thing about you from my perspective

Xlos, Mathblade are there things equivalent to Tests, Thoerems and Derivatives that I'm missing?

I doubt it. Unless scum got a very detailed flavor->role explanation from Ircher, I think they have info like this

"you know that <player flavor>'s power is <specific power>."

[Titus]

Math, you're creating roles that don't exist. A vig likely would have shot their payload.

[MathBlade]

Math, you're creating roles that don't exist. A vig likely would have shot their payload.

They could have shot at someone who died or holstered.

A vig makes more sense than giving scum a useless power that would be CC’d.

[Galron]

I just want to understand why I'm being scum read. Because all I see is that some people don't believe that I blocked nom, and thought I was trying to save them. Is that the gist of it? No damning evidence, no other associatives, just the refusal to believe that I blocked nom.

The funny thing is that this is the towniest thing about you from my perspective

Xlos, Mathblade are there things equivalent to Tests, Thoerems and Derivatives that I'm missing?

I doubt it. Unless scum got a very detailed flavor->role explanation from Ircher, I think they have info like this

"you know that <player flavor>'s power is <specific power>."

So you think scum were both informed and had a flavor cop?

[Titus]

Math, you're creating roles that don't exist. A vig likely would have shot their payload.

They could have shot at someone who died or holstered.

A vig makes more sense than giving scum a useless power that would be CC’d.

Could have could have. That's the key word. You're speculating theories to fit your opinion rather than your opinion to fit the facts.

The arguably bad design by the mod (nom would be cced) is true regardless of if a vig exists or not. Nom would look better in that cc because he's gated, like everyone else.

There's no certainty scum must exist in the PRs. They can exist but hunting exclusively there is bad.