Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Ircher]

so the confirmed town thing also has nothing to do with your role, Ircher?

I imagine it's a side effect of the bomb.

[Robert M Hunter]

What bomb

[Robert M Hunter]

Never mind, it's in the flavor text, got it.

[Robert M Hunter]

Is Tanner confirmed scum?

[Yin]

The man's easygoing demeanor has shifted. He's still all smiles, always smiles, hands up and out and performing every which way, but something's different. There's a stress that wasn't there before.

"Not these kinds of shows... I don't do these kinds. This won't put smiles on their faces." he mutters. Nearly bites his lip before he remembers the audience.

"But that's all part of the excitement! I'm sure everythings fine. Nothing to worry about." Off the hat comes, as the man performs another bow with a flourish of the acessory. But he doesn't put it back on.

Yin

, is there more than 1 criminal inside of Tanner, Amy, Robert, Ydrasse, and Chara?

There's more then 1.

@

Yin

: 你认识多少个汉字？

I don't know enough.

[Robert M Hunter]

It ain't me.

[Robert M Hunter]

Tanner is a criminal.
Infinity was a criminal.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse are not criminals.
Norwe was a not a criminal.

At least one of Pooky/Chara is a criminal.
At least one of Chara/Nakata is a criminal.

More than one criminal in:

Tanner

,

Amy

,

Robert

,

Ydrasse

, and

Chara

we know Tanner is a criminal. Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse are not criminals.

At least one of Chara/Nakata is a criminal. So Chara is a criminal and Nakata isn't.

Tanner and Chara are criminals.

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Taner

[Morning Tweet]

Infinity was a

criminal

.

Norwe was a

not a criminal

.

Tanner is a

criminal

.
Chara is a

criminal

.
One of Flea/clidd/Tweet/Pooky/Nakata is a

criminal

.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse are

not criminals

.

---///---

With no assumptions on Infinity/Norwe..

Tanner is a

criminal

.
Chara is a

criminal

.
Zero to two of Flea/clidd/Tweet/Pooky/Nakata are a

criminal

.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse are

not criminals

.

[Morning Tweet]

Yin

Have I voted a criminal yet and have I voted more than 1 of them?

You've voted at least one.

- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/

Ircher

/Nakata

@robert

, Nakata is still a possible criminal since Yin said "At least one"

Tanner and Chara are confirmed to be criminals by Yin. Assuming Infy is a criminal and Norwe wasn't, there's one criminal left in Flea/clidd/Tweet/Pooky/Nakata. If these assumptions are wrong, there can be zero, one, or two criminals in Flea/clidd/Tweet/Pooky/Nakata.

However, Tanner and Chara are criminals no matter what. Whatever that means

[Morning Tweet]

Tweetie: what's your read on Tanner like?

3p or town

Tanner exhibited a sense of confusion that mirrored my own and also I believe i mind-melded with them a couple times... what was it about..... I think it was about Infy's reaction to Ircher actually

DAMN that's like double good being both a mindmeld and probably one of the first suspicions on Infy. I think that's what it was anyway. Additionally i think the push on Robert isn't with agenda, it seems more like stubborn town to me.... also Tanner could have probably kept the heat on Robert and not started the infy nonsense. Overall it's really good for Tanner

..............but them being a criminal when a flipped scum has a very high chance of being a criminal makes me wonder what's up with that business. Hence i keep 3p in, or a third faction, something that isn't mafia. It's possible!

[Robert M Hunter]

@robert, Nakata is still a possible criminal since Yin said "At least one"

More than one criminal in:
Tanner,Amy, Robert, Ydrasse, and Chara

I don't see how since Tanner is positive, Amy/Robert/Ydrasse are all negative. That leaves Chara.

[Morning Tweet]

Is there an odd number of criminals inside of Morning/clidd/Pooky?
Is there a criminal within Flea/Nakata/Pooky?
Is there an even number of criminals inside of Tanner/Chara/Flea/Pooky?
Is there at least one criminal inside of Amy/Ircher/Morning/clidd?

^^^^^^^ @anyone if you don't have a question for Yin i would be honoured if you used any of these

[Morning Tweet]

@robert, Nakata is still a possible criminal since Yin said "At least one"

More than one criminal in:
Tanner,Amy, Robert, Ydrasse, and Chara

I don't see how since Tanner is positive, Amy/Robert/Ydrasse are all negative. That leaves Chara.

Ydrasse and Amy are confirmed not criminals because there are 0 criminals in Ircher/Ydrasse/Amy. Robert is confirmed not a criminal because there is 0-1 criminals in Amy/Robert/Tanner and Tanner is confirmed a criminal.

Chara is confirmed a criminal because there are multiple criminals in

Tanner

/Chara/

Robert/Amy/Ydrasse

Moving on, there's 1-2 criminals in

Chara

/Nakata. So we don't know Nakata yet.

Norwe

Amy
Ircher
Robert
Ydrasse

Flea
clidd
Morning
Pooky
Nakata

Tanner
Chara

Infinity

Even if the Norwe/Infy assumptions are wrong, the last 0-2 criminals are inside the blue

[Robert M Hunter]

@Yin

Is there a criminal within Flea/Nakata/Pooky?

[Robert M Hunter]

@Yin

Is there a criminal within Flea/Nakata/Pooky?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Yin

Is there an odd number of criminals inside of Morning/clidd/Pooky?

[Robert M Hunter]

Does it make sense that a game could be solved this way, in terms of setup? I'll let the more experienced players speak.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not really but I don't see why we wouldn't try

until Yin says something provably false there's no real reason to doubt him?

[Morning Tweet]

Ircher i assume you did not place the bomb on yourself yes?

- chara. i'm not very certain on this, and it's mostly a nullread coupled with "its infinity vote made me raise an eyebrow" and some posts around her feeling "hmm". i haven't yet put too much thought into this, since sorting chara is probably Not Easy, and i don't like using up effort if i don't know if i'm gonna see tomorrow to present that effort. and i know "this person have stronk scumgaem so null" is an extremely annoying thing to hear (i lose my shit every time innocentvillager does it to me, even though more often than not it's a joke), so in advance i'm apologizing for doing that, but. yeah.

lol well it is a truly frustrating read to receive but i dont disagree

I think Chara would fit nicely with Nakata town and Infy scum in terms of pushes and when they were timed

if you don't mind Tweetie, can you talk more about how you're reading me this game?

as for Tanner's read, i think i'd find it more frustrating if he wasn't aware of how shitty it would be just to leave it at that, but it seems like he isn't going to.

i think my read on you is gonna take some extra effort to go and review, one moment

What i meant by pushes i suppose was how you stuck to Nakata for the majority of the day, i dont think you ever joined ircher, and im not sure if your thoughts on infy came very early in her wagon. Which would make sense for scum that wants ircher to go thru, have tons of targets on the next day and not come under fire. assuming nakatas town, which with Infy's afk push on them seems a tad more likely

Does it make sense that a game could be solved this way, in terms of setup? I'll let the more experienced players speak.

no it doesnt really

Yin keeping consistency with who is a criminal and who isn't makes it feel purposeful at least

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Taner

Does it make sense that a game could be solved this way, in terms of setup? I'll let the more experienced players speak.

why're you voting tanner then exactly?

[Flea The Magician]

Love how we're going from "We can't trust yin!" to stating to form a mechsolve around yin.

Anyway, here's my tracking.

Spoiler: stuff

• There are 4 criminals (286) across 3 factions (503)
  
  
• The public masonry is not criminal free. (503)
  
  Chara,

  Norwee

  and Pooky
  (282)
  
  
• Pooky has voted for a criminal as of post 981
  
  Ydrasse, Tweetie, Tanner, Chara
  (982)
  
  
• There is a maximum of 1 criminal in Amy, Robert and Tanner (1254)
  
  
• A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. (1254)
  
  Nakata,

  Infinity

  ,

  Ircher
  
  
  
• Amy has voted at least 1 criminal.
  
  Chara,

  Ircher

  , Nakata,

  Infinity
  
  
  
• There are no truely criminal in Amy, Ydrasse and
  Ircher
  .
  
  
• There is at least 1 criminal voting Nakata in VC 1.11.
  
  Ydrasse, Amy Dunne, clidd,

  Infinity

  , Morning Tweet
  
  
  
• There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and
  Ircher

Suslist

• Chara (3)
  
• Pooky
  
• Tweetie
  
• Nakata (2)
  
• Infinity
  (3)
  
• Clidd

Grouplist

• MIN 1 -> Chara /
  Norwee
  / Pooky
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Ydrasse
  / Tweetie /
  Tanner
  / Chara
  
• MAX 1 ->

  Tanner

  /

  Amy

  /

  Robert
  
  
• MIN 1 -> Nakata /
  Infinity
  /
  Ircher
  
  
• MIN 1 -> Chara /
  Ircher
  / Nakata /
  Infinity
  
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Ydrasse
  /
  Amy Dunne
  / clidd /
  Infinity
  / Morning Tweet
  
• MIN 1 ->

  Tanner

  /

  Ydrasse

  /

  Norwee

Clearlist

• Ircher
  - 1656
  
• Ydrasse - 1656
  
• Amy - 1656
  
• Robert - PoE bias-clear
  
• Norwee
  - N1 Flip

PRIORITY SORT

• Tanner
  
• Nakata

@Yin

How many scum were voting Infinity in the last vote count of D1?

@Yang

Whats your favourite pokémon?

[Tanner]

did someone say kill robert? VOTE: robert

i think we should get this slot to claim as soon as possible so that we don't waste time there. i probably wouldn't be against yeeting him quickly either.

also, here's a fun snippet i just found when going through robert's is:

after 1792, after which it was possible to deduce that yin calls me a criminal, this was robert's reaction to me musing about it:

Spoiler:

interesting. either the answers really are random, or being a criminal isn't about alignment.

That's one of the reasons I haven't bothered asking questions, I assumed it was going to be BS.

interesting. either the answers really are random, or being a criminal isn't about alignment.

That's one of the reasons I haven't bothered asking questions, I assumed it was going to be BS.

lol i thought i was scum to you?

WOW you're really hell bent on finding fault with everything I say.

I assumed that the yin/yang stuff was going to be a red herring, this has nothing to do with your alignment. Regardless of your alignment, I can agree with things you say.

he was assuming it was going to be bs and wanted to ignore what yin is saying.

so you're telling me that town!robert, who yesterday said that he thought yin's spewing bullshit, apparently reads throughout the end of day 1, sees me at the front of infinity wagon (like, if anyone here has the imagination to tell me that my interactions with infinity are +partner, i'm all ears), and then at the start of day 2, votes me and calls me confirmed scum *because* of yin calling me a criminal? nah. this is not town. there is no internal thought process here.

[Tanner]

Unsure what being a criminal means exactly unless Tanner is hiding something from us, though.

i said this yesterday but i will make it clear now - my alignment in my role pm is town. my role pm says / implies absolutely nothing about me being a criminal, being a miller, or anything of the sort. so whatever is causing yin to call me a criminal, i am not aware of it.

also, i'm gonna point out that if you want to be solving the game yin is giving you, you probably shouldn't be assuming that flipped town is non-criminal and flipped scum is criminal.

@chara, i don't plan to leave my read on you as "lol idk null". but it's also effort i'm not willing to spend right now when i have an extremely strong scumread and, unless i find a literal scum-pt-level scumslip from you, i'm always going to want to flip him first.

also, i just bothered to fully open the spoiler in flea's latest post, and:

PRIORITY SORT

• Tanner

this is a joke, right? are you seriously trying to say you don't have enough to sort me with?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Tanner
Good Point.