MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[MathBlade]

How do you as informed neighbor ensure you + DGB dead? I don’t get that. And wouldn’t you want Wheme or Xlos dead if those are your reads?

And one more time what

exactly

are you informed of assuming you’re town?

[Almost50]

And where is the proof of this?

You not agreeing is proof enough for me. Whatever you say, whatever you believe to eb true MUST BE WRONG every bloody time we play together.

The problem is you do it deliberately when you're Scum, and inadvertently when you're Town, but the end result is always the same: Whatever you say is WRONG!

[Almost50]

I also want to know why everyone took DGB's interpretation of my post for granted. WHO THE FUCK SAID I WAS A HIDER? Because I sure didn't, and I don't know how making sure both I and someone die simultaneously can be interpreted into a Hider claim of any sort.

I did not. Your claim to me is literally ???? It has changed so much until you explain everything and to my satisfaction I see no reason for my vote to move. The most likely explanation is that you’re scum and it’s your responsibility to fix it if you’re town.

I won't be explaining anything to you anymore. I owe you nothing, mate. I probably should've yeeted you on D1 (upon your replacement) but I have this bloody weakness of "trying to be nice" to people I consider friends, and it almost always comes back to bite me in the ass.

[Almost50]

And wouldn’t you want Wheme or Xlos dead if those are your reads?

WHO AM I FUCKING VOTING?? WHO THE FUCK HAVE I BEEN CALLING SCUM ALL DAY?? ARE YOU BLOODY READINGT??

[Almost50]

How do you as informed neighbor ensure you + DGB dead? I don’t get that. And wouldn’t you want Wheme or Xlos dead if those are your reads?

And one more time what

exactly

are you informed of assuming you’re town?

Like, seriously.. even if you8're not reading .. you're stuck on a post where I said I'd make sure both I and DGB are dead

IF YOU BLOODY FLIP XLOS

AND HE FLIPS GREEN

[Almost50]

I'm done here.. Xlos + Wheme is my final solve. You guys do as you wish

[MathBlade]

I also want to know why everyone took DGB's interpretation of my post for granted. WHO THE FUCK SAID I WAS A HIDER? Because I sure didn't, and I don't know how making sure both I and someone die simultaneously can be interpreted into a Hider claim of any sort.

I did not. Your claim to me is literally ???? It has changed so much until you explain everything and to my satisfaction I see no reason for my vote to move. The most likely explanation is that you’re scum and it’s your responsibility to fix it if you’re town.

I won't be explaining anything to you anymore. I owe you nothing, mate. I probably should've yeeted you on D1 (upon your replacement) but I have this bloody weakness of "trying to be nice" to people I consider friends, and it almost always comes back to bite me in the ass.

Excuse me for being a stubborn obstinate player who was pushing scum instead of exposing our rolecop to scum without an explanation that makes sense. Please go on and shade me instead of working to get your elim to happen or explaining your numerous incongruences. That will 100% convince me your reads are accurate.

Secondly if you bothered to look at my scum game and even if you assume I am scum the number one rule of me scum is I lie as little as possible. So if you really want Wheme or Xlos as the elim start from the beginning and explain why you flavor fished. Xlos laid out a good post of your inconsistencies you just ignored.

If you flip green I would consider one of those but not both.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm vibing A50 town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I could see scum in Wheme or MathBlade.

Xlos? Maybe. A lot of players are scum reading Xlos, maybe I'm missing something.

=======================

Toog is still scum for his stated target choices.

When you are a town roleblocker, your hope is to stop a NK. That's why the choice of roleblocking nom, who claimed to be a PR, makes no sense at all from a town perspective. Toog was merely providing nom cover for his disastrous fakeclaim.

Same for Galron, why target Galron?

[MathBlade]

Not me:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10626911

Self hammer threat as scum.

[Almost50]

@Math: I am going to try to be as nice as I can be under the circumstances, and request that you

bloody kill them both

for me if you flip me first. This is MY GAME, and you're a replacement. You know I keep records of games I play from the start, and so far I am 2W-10L this year (and more to it 2W/7L as Town), It's not fair that you join my game to tunnel me and then "do as you wish" after you get me flipped too.

So, if you want my flip.. let's do it.. but you owe me the flips of Xlo & Wheme afterwards. Was that nice enough?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hmmmm

Maybe my vibe is off...

[DrippingGoofball]

@Math: I am going to try to be as nice as I can be under the circumstances, and request that you

bloody kill them both

for me if you flip me first. This is MY GAME, and you're a replacement. You know I keep records of games I play from the start, and so far I am 2W-10L this year (and more to it 2W/7L as Town), It's not fair that you join my game to tunnel me and then "do as you wish" after you get me flipped too.

So, if you want my flip.. let's do it.. but you owe me the flips of Xlo & Wheme afterwards. Was that nice enough?

Can we compromise and flip Toog>Wheme>Xlos?

[Almost50]

@Math: here's another request.. In the future; please don't replace into games I am in. Let's be friends outside games, but I don['t want to play with you anymore, as I can't take this anymore without eventually snapping. Thank you.

[DrippingGoofball]

Stahp

Can't we kumbaya and yeet Toogeloo?

[MathBlade]

@Math: I am going to try to be as nice as I can be under the circumstances, and request that you

bloody kill them both

for me if you flip me first. This is MY GAME, and you're a replacement. You know I keep records of games I play from the start, and so far I am 2W-10L this year (and more to it 2W/7L as Town), It's not fair that you join my game to tunnel me and then "do as you wish" after you get me flipped too.

So, if you want my flip.. let's do it.. but you owe me the flips of Xlo & Wheme afterwards. Was that nice enough?

Assuming you’re town, they would go towards the top of my suspect pool. I don’t plan elims ever. They’d get the same grilling I gave you.

Pedit long as we get the scum in A50/DGB/Toog I do not care which order.

I just kinda want this day to end and I think A50 is the best chance of those three.

Pedit: I am sorry that this game is frustrating you. I don’t know how to respond to that as it seems to skirt some of the new mafia rules I just hope you know I am not intending nor will ever intend to hurt you as a person.

[Almost50]

@Math: I am going to try to be as nice as I can be under the circumstances, and request that you

bloody kill them both

for me if you flip me first. This is MY GAME, and you're a replacement. You know I keep records of games I play from the start, and so far I am 2W-10L this year (and more to it 2W/7L as Town), It's not fair that you join my game to tunnel me and then "do as you wish" after you get me flipped too.

So, if you want my flip.. let's do it.. but you owe me the flips of Xlo & Wheme afterwards. Was that nice enough?

Can we compromise and flip Toog>Wheme>Xlos?

Honestly, I don't see Toog flipping Scum here at all. Put yourself in his shoes.. would you have faked to save your p, knowing your p flipping at any time would make you suspect??

Here me out: I personally would not have tried to save nom with a claim like that if I was scum with him, because I wouldn't want to be tied to him when/if he flips. I also think Toog is a better player than I am (although he doesn't talk that much so not many take notice of his skills). Toog is not the kind of player that likes to gambit either, so I'd say it fully out of his scum range to do this.

[DrippingGoofball]

Honestly, I don't see Toog flipping Scum here at all. Put yourself in his shoes.. would you have faked to save your p, knowing your p flipping at any time would make you suspect??

Why not? You can always try to pass as a town roleblocker. it's working on you.

[Almost50]

Stahp

Can't we kumbaya and yeet Toogeloo?

How about we sing kumbaya and then you put my talk in proper comprehensible phrasing?

1- I am an Informed Neighbor
2- My Neighbour is WhemeStar
3- My Flavour is Ratio Test
4- Whme's Flavour is Root Test
5- Given the flips we already have it looks like Flavour is indicative of role
6- It thus follows "my neighbor" should also be Informed

Now all I want is for Wheme to tell us what he was Informed of for starters.

I trust you DGB, and I depend on you to get this simple task done. Thanks in advance

[Galron]

VOTE: xlos

Xlos has been shaky all game. If A50 is right wheme should probably be first. And toog still doesn't make sense. But a pissed off A50 isn't theater ime.

[Galron]

Seriously, shouldn't it be wheme first?

[MathBlade]

I’ve pretty much resigned myself to A50 probably not happening even though he should be elimmed and just going to sigh when a green flip happens whoever else we do get then try again tomorrow to explain.

[DrippingGoofball]

Seriously, shouldn't it be wheme first?

I would do Wheme before A50.

[WhemeStar]

So there are Tests, Thoerems and Derivatives. The Derivatives are not AI. I guess there's no reason to expect that the rest of them are either. So all this flavor fishing/hunting whatever was for naught. But why would there be a flavor cop?

Because WHEME IS AN INFORMED SCUMSTER, and he was Informed of someone's FLAVOUR (Just as I was), with ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE: "flavour" is a "Role"

You need a flavour Cop to try and find that flavour so you can shoot the player with that Role.

So, unless you are ready to kill Xlos today, we can kill me, see my role is indeed Informed neighbor, suddenly get smart (not you, Math.. God forbid) and realize Wheme is Informed SCUM (which makes perfect sense and explains why he didn't claim his flavour when I asked him to), them kill him.

The question remains: Will there still be enough townies with brains above their shoulders to execute Xlos eventually? Or will you all insist on yeeting Toog because of some bizarre play theories than only Mathblade and DGB are capable of imagining?

Like, if I had the money I'd recruit them both to do a plot for a movie and be guaranteed a huge blockbuster revenue

What

[DrippingGoofball]

Can you flesh out your objections a little bit more?