Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[Val89]

i think everyone should rr now!

Do you still think this?

[GrandpaMo]

omg i read chuck as clark this whole time . this changes something ima explain in a few

[GrandpaMo]

i think everyone should rr now!

Do you still think this?

no. i realized there was 1 mafia left and realized that either tmr or today is a good day to rr.

we don't have to nor it's not optimal for town to rr.

we can and still probably have the same outcome, well that's how i think about it.

[GrandpaMo]

I was sick today, mild head cold and I'm rebounding. Being sick in the summer is the worst.

Quick question to newcomers (and welcome!) how do you feel about the dissolution of the Grandpa wagon and the quick reforming of the James/Blurry slot?

Hm.

[GrandpaMo]

Also I am sitting back and looking at a scumcase for everyone here.

[GrandpaMo]

For not voting D1, not weighing in on James at all (he only ever mentions Blurry), and not pursuing his SR of me.

how willing do u want an elim on chuck today and if they flip town, we condemn u

If I were 100% on Chuck being scum I'd take you up on that. As it is I feel that slot is the best place for my vote for the reasons provided. We can debate that reasoning, and as that debate goes on how sure I am about whether or not Chuck is scum will go up or down.

I want to know how Clark feels about this statement now that Chuck did flip town. They seemed not to be sure, and was thinking other options at that time perhaps. Actually who did you think Chuck was scum with clark?

Who do you think is scum now? Clark come back

[GrandpaMo]

I really need to hear fom Grandpa on what's in James' ISO that makes him think {Clark, Roden}.

yea i just came back with work...

expect like a complete analysis on james readlist on why i do expect its clark / roden in a couple of hours


tldr; this is manly based on james interactions with clark nd roden (the post that nancy pointed out of james) i noticed it from that and started quick skimming jame's iso and seeing their reads.

Oh, you actually are suspecting me. I guessed that was a typo because your earlier post said Chuck instead of Clark, and it looked like you were accusing Nancy of thinking that.

Either way, we've already been over this. For me to be scum I'd have to have hard bussed Blurry/James before the replacement even came in. Psyche had scum read Blurry first, but the wagon didn't start until I repeatedly kept bringing attention to Blurry and soft accused Val of trying to divert attention by arguing with Nancy. Even when James subbed in, I kept my vote on his slot and continued to pressure him.

It's not like I couldn't pivot out to another wagon either. Nancy had multiple people going after her and I'd already stated that I didn't trust Val's intentions at the time. If I was scum, all I'd have to do is completely ignore Blurry and help Val put pressure on Nancy. Literally all I'd have to do is shut up and James would likely still be in the game.

If you don't believe me, go look back at what happened. It starts around page 10 I believe. I specifically say that I think the early wagon on you was bad and that we should look more at Blurry.

That doesn't clear you as town. Just because you shoved attention to someone who you weren't even the driving force at that time, that doesn't make you town. Note that James scumleaned you. Also notate that Val, and I believe Clark had scumread Blurry as well and so that makes you scumreading them more NAI. Also for the second part is not true, you could have done the same Clark done and scumread Chuck out of no where and find yourself to explore a scumspot. If you would have shut up, there would still have been the CC and hammer still would have still proceeded with or without your input.

[GrandpaMo]

Can you give me why you are town not mentioning EoD of day one nor mentioning anything regarding your reads?

[ClarkBar]

Since the game's just slowing to a crawl here, can I ask everyone to give an updated reads list?

Nancy: If she is scum then she deserves the win. Town.

Grandpa: I don't know. I really liked his response to his E-1 wagon. Since then his posting has been confusing. It's so scummy it... isn't scummy?

You know, "push the narrative" is such an unfortunate choice of phrase.

Coming from you, Grandpa, it may well be NAI

, but you don't half make this difficult for us.

It's quite a meta to cultivate if it's intentional. I can't make a town case for Grandpa outside of his reaction to the D1 wagon.

Roden: The first on the James wagon (according to VC's, but I think Psyche voted that slot first). Still, that would be a

hard

bus, as he pointed out. Didn't bite on the Chuck wagon. Very likely town.

Val: Hammering James is the right move as a scum partner. The wagon was clearly not going away, so it's best to end the day before James inadvertently gives something away as well as benefiting from being on the wagon. I haven't Iso'd Val. I think the early back and forth with Nancy wasn't great for me reading Val. Every time I see the hat avatar my eyes automatically glaze over. Without doing a lot of homework I can't make a town case for Val.

Clarkbar: The towniest townie whoever towned.

I'll say it again: D2 was absurdly lazy. People are unmotivated/overburdened with other games. Kinda sucks. D1 was 25 pages of discussion, multiple wagons, and real attempts at solving the game which resulted in scum being eliminated. D2 was 4 pages of speculation on claims and PR's. I have never been scum before (which is getting nuts) but when it happens I sincerely hope the town spends their efforts on setup/role speculation.

I was wrong on Chuck, but I had real and valid reasons for my vote. I engaged and argued those points with Chuck. I feel I am the only person in this game that provided specific reasoning for my vote on Chuck. I became deeply concerned that people joined the Chuck wagon without really discussing my reasons or Chuck's defense. Tuesday was a busy day and I didn't have time to make a meaningful post. It was on my mind to unvote, and I wish I had made the time to just quickly do that. My opinion of Chuck hadn't changed, but I was uneasy about how his wagon was forming.

The Chuck wagon: I am town. T3 was town. Val and Grandpa? Scum is one of those two. Nancy says she won't vote for Grandpa, but I don't immediately recall why. I'll reread that bit before I place a vote.

[ClarkBar]

Also notate that Val, and I believe Clark had scumread Blurry as well and so that makes you scumreading them more NAI.

Nope, I appreciated Psyche's critique of Blurry's 1 real post, but I didn't scumread Blurry.

Also for the second part is not true, you could have done the same Clark done and scumread Chuck out of no where and find yourself to explore a scumspot.

Not sure what the last bit is supposed to mean, but I can help you with the first part. I would invite you to read virtually any of my posts on D2. That will help you understand my reasons for scumreading Chuck. It wasn't "out of nowhere". If you are town and want to win this game I urge you to bring a little more effort.

[Val89]

Can you give me why you are town not mentioning EoD of day one nor mentioning anything regarding your reads?

I'm sure we had this conversation last game, Grandpa. I don't think it means anything to ask someone why they are town, and it means even LESS to say "don't use X or Y".

As an excersise, can you tell us why you must be town?

[ClarkBar]

Nancy says she won't vote for Grandpa, but I don't immediately recall why. I'll reread that bit before I place a vote.

Ok, because Blurry endorsed the Grandpa wagon.

For now I think keeping Grandpa as the lead contender for the guillotine is the right move, as they do have an erratic posting style that may cause confusion later in the game, but hopefully there is something more substantive to base a day 1 lynch off of in the next few days, and we haven't yet heard from the two AFK players.

While this can be a distancing tactic or a recognition that Grandpa could be a huge liability due to "erratic posting style" I can buy this as good enough reason to believe Mo is more likely to be town than not at this point.

VOTE: Val89

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy and Roden are town, Clark and Grandpa scum. Call me a copy cat if you like.

This is a 9 player game, so I think you have 1 too many.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if nancy is scum, they already won. and also im down to vote clark

I wish. I’m town, how are you still this terrible at reading me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town:

lunar

val clark

psyche nancy

everyone else: everyone else.

Interesting that he’s got 3 of these correct.

[Val89]

This is a 9 player game, so I think you have 1 too many.

I thought "there is one scum between" Clark and Grandpa went without saying, but OK.

I'm 90% sure it's Clark, but Grandpa has given me some reasons to think he might be scum in this game. That appears to be his superpower, though, even as town.

The pool yesterday was {Val, Clark, Chuck}. If we don't flip right today, the NK is 100% either Nancy or Roden; they aren't going to kill me or Clark when we have such suspicion on us.

I would rather flip ClarkBar today over myself obviously, but if Nancy is adamant that Grandpa is town and is happy to bet the game on it, then I would rather you limmed me today so I'm not alive in the LyLo; as long as Clark is going tomorrow for the gg's.

VOTE: ClarkBar

[Nancy Drew 39]

if nancy is scum, they already won. and also im down to vote clark

I wish. I’m town, how are you still this terrible at reading me?

@Mo, since I’ve been hard defending you since D1, why are you the only player who’s still suspicious of me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is a 9 player game, so I think you have 1 too many.

I thought "there is one scum between" Clark and Grandpa went without saying, but OK.

I'm 90% sure it's Clark, but Grandpa has given me some reasons to think he might be scum in this game. That appears to be his superpower, though, even as town.

The pool yesterday was {Val, Clark, Chuck}. If we don't flip right today, the NK is 100% either Nancy or Roden; they aren't going to kill me or Clark when we have such suspicion on us.

I would rather flip ClarkBar today over myself obviously, but if Nancy is adamant that Grandpa is town and is happy to bet the game on it, then I would rather you limmed me today so I'm not alive in the LyLo; as long as Clark is going tomorrow for the gg's.

VOTE: ClarkBar

I still think he is but you would also think that he would be the least likely to be suspicious of me. That’s what’s concerning me, because I’ve been defending him, so it’s starting to worry me a bit.

[ClarkBar]

omg i read chuck as clark this whole time . this changes something ima explain in a few

Did you explain this? I'm confused by it. Also, what is the significance of 778?

For not voting D1, not weighing in on James at all (he only ever mentions Blurry), and not pursuing his SR of me.

how willing do u want an elim on chuck today and if they flip town, we condemn u

If I were 100% on Chuck being scum I'd take you up on that. As it is I feel that slot is the best place for my vote for the reasons provided. We can debate that reasoning, and as that debate goes on how sure I am about whether or not Chuck is scum will go up or down.

I want to know how Clark feels about this statement now that Chuck did flip town. They seemed not to be sure, and was thinking other options at that time perhaps. Actually who did you think Chuck was scum with clark?

This also confuses me. Nothing about my original statement was affected by Chuck's flip. I wasn't 100% that he was scum, but he was my chief scumread for reasons I repeatedly provided. Who do I think Chuck was scum with? Chuck was not scum, but if he were then he would have been scum with James. Because James flipped scum.

[ClarkBar]

For the record, while I will maintain that 131 is enough to hold me back from voting Grandpa, I don't think it is as strong as others do in putting Grandpa firmly in town territory. If you read around that post you'll note that the actual threat of a hammer was fairly low. In fact I unvote Grandpa directly after 131. There is a decent enough chance that Blurry made a darn good play before bowing out.

I share Val's concern about Lylo. If Grandpa is scum then the pool (Me, Val, Chuck) is a train wreck.

[ClarkBar]

Town:

lunar

val clark

psyche nancy

everyone else: everyone else.

Interesting that he’s got 3 of these correct.

He has at least 4 correct.

[Val89]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

It seems like they did us a favour in eliminating someone I might well have been worried about today.

The "deep dive" I said I was doing at the start of D2 was looking at the newbie games T3 had played in, and looked at where he had fake claimed. He's played 8 completed games, 4 of which were scum, and he faked crumbed/fakeclaimed in 3 of the 4. As town, he never crumbed before (at least none that I saw or were discussed) even when he did roll PR (2057, and 2063 where his Mason partner did the job for him); so if both me and T3 had survived, I would be giving serious consideration to making a case we should be considering T3 as scum today. I can't get my head around why they thought that was the right kill.

[GrandpaMo]

if nancy is scum, they already won. and also im down to vote clark

I wish. I’m town, how are you still this terrible at reading me?

if nancy is scum, they already won. and also im down to vote clark

I wish. I’m town, how are you still this terrible at reading me?

@Mo, since I’ve been hard defending you since D1, why are you the only player who’s still suspicious of me?

you arent confirmed nor anyone is. soloscum is alive and it can be anyone atp.

you aren't cleared just because of x and x no one is.

thats why im epxloring every possible choice right now.

and like i said if you are scum, then gg you win because roden, clark, and val won't vote you so it would be impossible for me to even try to build a scumcase on you because it would be no point.

just because you defended me is also no reason for me to townread you. you could obviously be pocketing me here.


just like how james did.

thats why im paranoid.

[GrandpaMo]

I wasn't 100% that he was scum,

Okay so no that isn't what I was saying.

Let me explain so you don't get confused.

I was saying at that time that you weren't 100 percent sure. So you must have had a back thought that he was town MAYBE for x and x, that means you had a backup scumread just in case they were town. correct?

because that's usually how it is for me when I am not 100 percent sure on my scumread, I explore the thought that person could be town and explore why this person is town and that makes x scum etc.

[Val89]

He voted for me today, so who do you think it was, Grandpa?