Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[ClarkBar]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

So what does the choice tell you? Who has constantly been discussing PR's, been confused by claims, and came into today under the impression that T3 was a tracker? Whose choices have been erratic and unconventional? Val, your question here is may be you as scum gloating a bit. I have heard that surprise/puzzlement over a NK is a mild scumtell, but I don't think this is the case in this instance. I've been wrong all game, so who knows.

Screw this. Yes, 131 is compelling but I have to go with my gut here. My vote on Val is pure PoE. The mountain of scummy stuff from Grandpa overwhelms what Blurry said on page 6.

UNVOTE: Val89

VOTE: GrandpaMo

[Nancy Drew 39]

if nancy is scum, they already won. and also im down to vote clark

I wish. I’m town, how are you still this terrible at reading me?

if nancy is scum, they already won. and also im down to vote clark

I wish. I’m town, how are you still this terrible at reading me?

@Mo, since I’ve been hard defending you since D1, why are you the only player who’s still suspicious of me?

you arent confirmed nor anyone is. soloscum is alive and it can be anyone atp.

you aren't cleared just because of x and x no one is.

thats why im epxloring every possible choice right now.

and like i said if you are scum, then gg you win because roden, clark, and val won't vote you so it would be impossible for me to even try to build a scumcase on you because it would be no point.

just because you defended me is also no reason for me to townread you. you could obviously be pocketing me here.


just like how james did.

thats why im paranoid.

James was also clearly trying to kill me but you make a good point. It’s probably not you then.

[Nancy Drew 39]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

So what does the choice tell you? Who has constantly been discussing PR's, been confused by claims, and came into today under the impression that T3 was a tracker? Whose choices have been erratic and unconventional? Val, your question here is may be you as scum gloating a bit. I have heard that surprise/puzzlement over a NK is a mild scumtell, but I don't think this is the case in this instance. I've been wrong all game, so who knows.

Screw this. Yes, 131 is compelling but I have to go with my gut here. My vote on Val is pure PoE. The mountain of scummy stuff from Grandpa overwhelms what Blurry said on page 6.

UNVOTE: Val89

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Since when is surprise/puzzlement over an NK a scumtell? It’s usually town indicative at best and NAI at worst.

[Nancy Drew 39]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

It seems like they did us a favour in eliminating someone I might well have been worried about today.

The "deep dive" I said I was doing at the start of D2 was looking at the newbie games T3 had played in, and looked at where he had fake claimed. He's played 8 completed games, 4 of which were scum, and he faked crumbed/fakeclaimed in 3 of the 4. As town, he never crumbed before (at least none that I saw or were discussed) even when he did roll PR (2057, and 2063 where his Mason partner did the job for him); so if both me and T3 had survived, I would be giving serious consideration to making a case we should be considering T3 as scum today. I can't get my head around why they thought that was the right kill.

T3 was my most confident tr and I thought that even before James flipped.

[ClarkBar]

I was saying at that time that you weren't 100 percent sure. So you must have had a back thought that he was town MAYBE for x and x, that means you had a backup scumread just in case they were town. correct?

634 may be helpful for you. Yes, I had a back thought that he was town. No, I didn't have a backup scumread. It was the beginning of the day and Chuck had the most points against him (in my view) for me to explore.

because that's usually how it is for me when I am not 100 percent sure on my scumread, I explore the thought that person could be town and explore why this person is town and that makes x scum etc.

Of course. My chief issues with Chuck was the lack of a vote despite having scumreads as well as the nature of his scumreads. Why was that a problem that made me not be 100% sure Chuck was scum? There wasn't much time for him to finish his reads before D1 ended. However, with the absence of much else for me to work with that left me pursuing Chuck as a start to D2. I did not anticipate his elimination coming in just 4 pages or so.

[ClarkBar]

Since when is surprise/puzzlement over an NK a scumtell? It’s usually town indicative at best and NAI at worst.

I recall it being used against somebody (maybe me!) by an SE after a puzzling NK. I think there was a term for the tell and maybe a wiki that was linked about it. I kinda agree with you about how strong a tell it is, but it stuck in my mind.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was saying at that time that you weren't 100 percent sure. So you must have had a back thought that he was town MAYBE for x and x, that means you had a backup scumread just in case they were town. correct?

634 may be helpful for you. Yes, I had a back thought that he was town. No, I didn't have a backup scumread. It was the beginning of the day and Chuck had the most points against him (in my view) for me to explore.

because that's usually how it is for me when I am not 100 percent sure on my scumread, I explore the thought that person could be town and explore why this person is town and that makes x scum etc.

Of course. My chief issues with Chuck was the lack of a vote despite having scumreads as well as the nature of his scumreads. Why was that a problem that made me not be 100% sure Chuck was scum? There wasn't much time for him to finish his reads before D1 ended. However, with the absence of much else for me to work with that left me pursuing Chuck as a start to D2. I did not anticipate his elimination coming in just 4 pages or so.

I did not expect the day to end so early.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Since when is surprise/puzzlement over an NK a scumtell? It’s usually town indicative at best and NAI at worst.

I recall it being used against somebody (maybe me!) by an SE after a puzzling NK. I think there was a term for the tell and maybe a wiki that was linked about it. I kinda agree with you about how strong a tell it is, but it stuck in my mind.

In Cards Of Destiny, scum!FL knew exactly why town!Pooky was the NK’d and a townie that I wrongly had suspicions on had no clue. I think it’s nai.

[GrandpaMo]

wait let me answer everyone else's question before asking another one

[GrandpaMo]

oh fuck didnt reload the page dammit dont mind the quote 808

[GrandpaMo]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

So what does the choice tell you? Who has constantly been discussing PR's, been confused by claims, and came into today under the impression that T3 was a tracker? Whose choices have been erratic and unconventional? Val, your question here is may be you as scum gloating a bit. I have heard that surprise/puzzlement over a NK is a mild scumtell, but I don't think this is the case in this instance. I've been wrong all game, so who knows.

Screw this. Yes, 131 is compelling but I have to go with my gut here. My vote on Val is pure PoE. The mountain of scummy stuff from Grandpa overwhelms what Blurry said on page 6.

UNVOTE: Val89

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Okay now you are just guilttripping / manipulating context. You are putting Val's words into your thought process and being influenced.

I think Roden becomes likely town here.

And last scum lies between Val / Clark.

One of them is just misguided.

[GrandpaMo]

I was saying at that time that you weren't 100 percent sure. So you must have had a back thought that he was town MAYBE for x and x, that means you had a backup scumread just in case they were town. correct?

634 may be helpful for you. Yes, I had a back thought that he was town. No, I didn't have a backup scumread. It was the beginning of the day and Chuck had the most points against him (in my view) for me to explore.

because that's usually how it is for me when I am not 100 percent sure on my scumread, I explore the thought that person could be town and explore why this person is town and that makes x scum etc.

Of course. My chief issues with Chuck was the lack of a vote despite having scumreads as well as the nature of his scumreads. Why was that a problem that made me not be 100% sure Chuck was scum? There wasn't much time for him to finish his reads before D1 ended. However, with the absence of much else for me to work with that left me pursuing Chuck as a start to D2. I did not anticipate his elimination coming in just 4 pages or so.

It was pretty late into the day and you already had tunneled him. You also should have been awared that there were multiple people scumreading them at the same time. Heck, I even thought chuck was scum and don't know why they flipped town.

I thought you were more townier than chuck in the case. And chuck's vote makes it an omgus. We literally agreed on that part.

[GrandpaMo]

He voted for me today, so who do you think it was, Grandpa?

He isn't voting for you anymore sadly.

[GrandpaMo]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

So what does the choice tell you? Who has constantly been discussing PR's, been confused by claims, and came into today under the impression that T3 was a tracker? Whose choices have been erratic and unconventional? Val, your question here is may be you as scum gloating a bit. I have heard that surprise/puzzlement over a NK is a mild scumtell, but I don't think this is the case in this instance. I've been wrong all game, so who knows.

Screw this. Yes, 131 is compelling but I have to go with my gut here. My vote on Val is pure PoE. The mountain of scummy stuff from Grandpa overwhelms what Blurry said on page 6.

UNVOTE: Val89

VOTE: GrandpaMo

"131 is compelling, but grandpa is scummy, and val is scummy because of poe" poe implies that i would have been town in your case. or "townier"

can u explain the scummy stuff i did? i felt like i justified everything. im playing the same as my town

[GrandpaMo]

t3 why did u have to die:( come back i need ur help

[GrandpaMo]

nancy ima just trust u for now, idk who it is anymore.

but if we are all agreeing its either clark / val. im down to sheep u and go to a f3 with a determiner of who scum kills at night.

heck, if yall want me to kill me today, go for it if it progresses town (no im not playing lamist, im being serious)

[GrandpaMo]

i dont wanna go to a f3 tho, this f3 is scary

me, val, clark in a f3, instant loss for town and scum easily wins of whomever is scum between val and clark

[GrandpaMo]

heck even nancy staying alive in a f3, would be very worrisome of its own.

roden, idek if ur town but i believe if ur scum, then you won as well so gg

[GrandpaMo]

This is a 9 player game, so I think you have 1 too many.

I thought "there is one scum between" Clark and Grandpa went without saying, but OK.

I'm 90% sure it's Clark, but Grandpa has given me some reasons to think he might be scum in this game. That appears to be his superpower, though, even as town.

The pool yesterday was {Val, Clark, Chuck}. If we don't flip right today, the NK is 100% either Nancy or Roden; they aren't going to kill me or Clark when we have such suspicion on us.

I would rather flip ClarkBar today over myself obviously, but if Nancy is adamant that Grandpa is town and is happy to bet the game on it, then I would rather you limmed me today so I'm not alive in the LyLo; as long as Clark is going tomorrow for the gg's.

VOTE: ClarkBar

does clark voting me, make u want to vote me too?

[GrandpaMo]

ok im just gonna vote now.


VOTE: ClarkBar

[Nancy Drew 39]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

So what does the choice tell you? Who has constantly been discussing PR's, been confused by claims, and came into today under the impression that T3 was a tracker? Whose choices have been erratic and unconventional? Val, your question here is may be you as scum gloating a bit. I have heard that surprise/puzzlement over a NK is a mild scumtell, but I don't think this is the case in this instance. I've been wrong all game, so who knows.

Screw this. Yes, 131 is compelling but I have to go with my gut here. My vote on Val is pure PoE. The mountain of scummy stuff from Grandpa overwhelms what Blurry said on page 6.

UNVOTE: Val89

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Okay now you are just guilttripping / manipulating context. You are putting Val's words into your thought process and being influenced.

I think Roden becomes likely town here.

And last scum lies between Val / Clark.

One of them is just misguided.

I agree with this. If you recall, I had T3, you and Roden as likely town.

Roden was adamant about James and not me being the lim, where as Val first wanted to kill me, then Psyche and Clark was pretty much not doing much.

[GrandpaMo]

T3 being the NK last night seems very, very odd to me.

So what does the choice tell you? Who has constantly been discussing PR's, been confused by claims, and came into today under the impression that T3 was a tracker? Whose choices have been erratic and unconventional? Val, your question here is may be you as scum gloating a bit. I have heard that surprise/puzzlement over a NK is a mild scumtell, but I don't think this is the case in this instance. I've been wrong all game, so who knows.

Screw this. Yes, 131 is compelling but I have to go with my gut here. My vote on Val is pure PoE. The mountain of scummy stuff from Grandpa overwhelms what Blurry said on page 6.

UNVOTE: Val89

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Okay now you are just guilttripping / manipulating context. You are putting Val's words into your thought process and being influenced.

I think Roden becomes likely town here.

And last scum lies between Val / Clark.

One of them is just misguided.

I agree with this. If you recall, I had T3, you and Roden as likely town.

Roden was adamant about James and not me being the lim, where as Val first wanted to kill me, then Psyche and Clark was pretty much not doing much.

wait... val wanted to kill u?

[GrandpaMo]

oh wait ik what ur talking bout

[Val89]

Yes, I scum read Nancy D1.

[ClarkBar]

I'm going to harp on the Chuck wagon again because scum is on it and it went too fast and I don't feel votes were justified.

Vote #1: Me for reasons I discuss all D2.

Vote #2: T3. No reason provided, but he was town so we can move on.

Vote #3: Val89. The end of 708 shows that there is a scum pool that Val is picking from, and he picked Chuck. Why? Because my argument was strong? Because Chuck's defense was weak? In 714 Val bolsters his reasoning for voting Chuck...

I think the likleyhood is 90% that it is between you and Clark. My vote is on you, and I think you should flip first, because I think there is a slightly higher chance it is you over Clark, but it's a close call.

but unless I missed it I am unclear why there was a higher chance (in Val's mind) that Chuck was scum over me.

Vote #4: The hammer is courtesy of Grandpa. He asks permission to hammer but never receives it before doing so. 732 is odd. Quotes Val about a topic unrelated to Chuck while hammering Chuck. Grandpa also never really mentions the arguments I made against Chuck. Grandpa does ask Chuck to make a town case for me, and when Chuck understandably (and reasonably) declines that appears to be the strike against for Grandpa, though Grandpa doesn't vote at that time. 701 is reasonable, but is essentially aping of part of my existing argument against Chuck.

I am aware I'm the likely elimination today, so I want to bring up as much stuff that is running through my mind as possible, and that includes which vote is the most opportunistic between Grandpa and Val.