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[Val89]

???

Again, I was never to PR hunt in the first place.

Hang about, I am saying that you PR hunting on D2 makes you

less

likley to be scum, and you come in and tell me that WASN'T what you were doing?

[GrandpaMo]

are you saying u will scumread me if i vote val because i dont wanna vote clark

and you will scumread me if i just vote val as scumread?

If you really think Val is scum, why does it matter if Roden would sr you for it? If I was confident on Val!scum, I wouldn’t gaf what Roden or anyone else thought.

I don’t recall in that game we played, you being this self-conscious about being sr. You pretty much pushed whatever you felt like without really much concern for what anyone else thought.

that wasn't my original point. i misinterperted what roden was originally saying and i had thought that if i scumread either or then i would still be a scumread -- so thats why i had made it a problem.

my point was that it didnt matter for me to vote, because i thought there was at least ONE scum between val and clark.

idgaf if i get scumread, heck i careless that im being scumread by roden the most, im more focusing on the weird unvote and votes happening from both of clark and val.

both are playing lamist playstyles and one is just misguided town

Can you give us a readslist? You are the only one necessary to ask this because I’m still not completely sure where you stand.

Are you serious? I already explained where I stand about 5 times now, and it is starting to get frustrating.

Again if you recall and read my posts with the reasonings I post, it should imply that my readlist should similarly look like this.

Clark

Val

Roden

Nancy

Again I will repeat.

At first, I had Roden and Clark as scum in between.

Then I realized that Val, Clark, and Nancy all townread Roden

So I moved the poe to scum between Val and Clark because of Associative.

And so that would make Roden hard null - implied town if there is scum between Val and Clark

Same with Nancy.

Then realized that there would be NO way for an Roden/Nancy elim to happen on this day so no point to push that narrative this day.

[GrandpaMo]

???

Again, I was never to PR hunt in the first place.

Hang about, I am saying that you PR hunting on D2 makes you

less

likley to be scum, and you come in and tell me that WASN'T what you were doing?

No, this is what you kept pushing all of day 2 and it was annoying.

You kept saying that I was PR fishing as scum.

No, that isn't what I was doing.

That was never my intention at least, my intention was the same intention I provided to you yesterday, that I was trying to gamesolve through my playstyle.

[GrandpaMo]

I really need to hear fom Grandpa on what's in James' ISO that makes him think {Clark, Roden}.

I just went back to the start of today to try look at the vote pattern Grandpa is complaining about; and realised that I don't think we ever got an answer to this, did we?

I did, didn't I?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Both Val and Clark seem so townie and Roden townlocking 2 slots is scum suicide. I’m really starting to think it could be Mo.

thats why im having paranoia about roden being scum.

or you possibly pocketing me, then doing this weird flip shit where you scumread me towards eod after townreading me all game, same thing that val did.

you should have thought it was me since day 1 -- and not rely on meta because i am town.

you should be able to townread me based on this game if i was town in ur eyes or scum if i was scum in ur eyes.

i hate when ppl start having this instant pocketing shit then proceed to scumread out of no where.

why do you think i explored the options that YOU or roden could be scum, while not just relying on me, val, clark being scum.

i was the only one to push that narrative where you could be scum, and you even agree with me. i can just easily just set up a chain lim on val today and push clark tmr, or vice versa as scum. i dont see the point for me as scum, to push the narrative that it possibly could be roden when the attention focus is on clark, val, and me and while those 2 INCLUDING U NANCY townreading nancy, i dont think i would take that risk as solo scum.

That is not true, you were sussing on me while I was still hard defending you and I made it clear why: You seem to be the only one who hasn’t made definitive reads. Having everyone in your PoE, based on no one being confitown, looks pretty bad, especially since you’re literally the only one doing that.

Why does scum!Roden townlock both me and Val? If he’s scum, he can presumably only kill one of us and that puts scum!him at a serious disadvantage in Elo.

You can’t give me oh it’s so scummy you’re doubting me when your read on me is the exact same when I was strongly tr you. James was clearly trying to kill me to survive and everyone but you - including Chuck could see that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

are you saying u will scumread me if i vote val because i dont wanna vote clark

and you will scumread me if i just vote val as scumread?

If you really think Val is scum, why does it matter if Roden would sr you for it? If I was confident on Val!scum, I wouldn’t gaf what Roden or anyone else thought.

I don’t recall in that game we played, you being this self-conscious about being sr. You pretty much pushed whatever you felt like without really much concern for what anyone else thought.

that wasn't my original point. i misinterperted what roden was originally saying and i had thought that if i scumread either or then i would still be a scumread -- so thats why i had made it a problem.

my point was that it didnt matter for me to vote, because i thought there was at least ONE scum between val and clark.

idgaf if i get scumread, heck i careless that im being scumread by roden the most, im more focusing on the weird unvote and votes happening from both of clark and val.

both are playing lamist playstyles and one is just misguided town

Can you give us a readslist? You are the only one necessary to ask this because I’m still not completely sure where you stand.

Are you serious? I already explained where I stand about 5 times now, and it is starting to get frustrating.

Again if you recall and read my posts with the reasonings I post, it should imply that my readlist should similarly look like this.

Clark

Val

Roden

Nancy

Again I will repeat.

At first, I had Roden and Clark as scum in between.

Then I realized that Val, Clark, and Nancy all townread Roden

So I moved the poe to scum between Val and Clark because of Associative.

And so that would make Roden hard null - implied town if there is scum between Val and Clark

Same with Nancy.

Then realized that there would be NO way for an Roden/Nancy elim to happen on this day so no point to push that narrative this day.

What does blue mean? You have me in blue?

Yes, it’s posts like these that are giving me the willies. The fact that no one but you is pushing for this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Your readslist isn’t based off so much on who you read but on who you think is likeliest to be elimmed. That’s an ELIMINATION list not a readslist.

[Val89]

Then realized that there would be NO way for an Roden/Nancy elim to happen on this day so no point to push that narrative this day.

Again, Grandpa, this is so scummy it hurts!

If you are town, and you believe scum is in Roden or Nancy, you push them; because the only way we win is for scum to be voted out.

If you truely believe scum is in Roden or Nancy, psuh them, and push them hard, even if you are only one doing it, because your faction winning DEPENDS on you - you are the only one seeing the truth, and if you sit quiet, town loss this game.

Scum on the other hand: the way scum wins this game is to get two town lims. Thats the victory path. So, yeah, scum can decide they aren't gettting a Nancy/Roden lim, and decide they have to go for Clark + Val, in either order; but town!Grandpa CAN NOT have this attitude, so if you are town!Grandpa - wise up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

are you saying u will scumread me if i vote val because i dont wanna vote clark

and you will scumread me if i just vote val as scumread?

If you really think Val is scum, why does it matter if Roden would sr you for it? If I was confident on Val!scum, I wouldn’t gaf what Roden or anyone else thought.

I don’t recall in that game we played, you being this self-conscious about being sr. You pretty much pushed whatever you felt like without really much concern for what anyone else thought.

that wasn't my original point. i misinterperted what roden was originally saying and i had thought that if i scumread either or then i would still be a scumread -- so thats why i had made it a problem.

my point was that it didnt matter for me to vote, because i thought there was at least ONE scum between val and clark.

idgaf if i get scumread, heck i careless that im being scumread by roden the most, im more focusing on the weird unvote and votes happening from both of clark and val.

both are playing lamist playstyles and one is just misguided town

Can you give us a readslist? You are the only one necessary to ask this because I’m still not completely sure where you stand.

Are you serious? I already explained where I stand about 5 times now, and it is starting to get frustrating.

Again if you recall and read my posts with the reasonings I post, it should imply that my readlist should similarly look like this.

Clark

Val

Roden

Nancy

Again I will repeat.

At first, I had Roden and Clark as scum in between.

Then I realized that Val, Clark, and Nancy all townread Roden

So I moved the poe to scum between Val and Clark because of Associative.

And so that would make Roden hard null - implied town if there is scum between Val and Clark

Same with Nancy.

Then realized that there would be NO way for an Roden/Nancy elim to happen on this day so no point to push that narrative this day.

This post doesn’t even make sense. If there is actual scum between Clark and Val, in what universe is Roden a null?

[GrandpaMo]

Both Val and Clark seem so townie and Roden townlocking 2 slots is scum suicide. I’m really starting to think it could be Mo.

thats why im having paranoia about roden being scum.

or you possibly pocketing me, then doing this weird flip shit where you scumread me towards eod after townreading me all game, same thing that val did.

you should have thought it was me since day 1 -- and not rely on meta because i am town.

you should be able to townread me based on this game if i was town in ur eyes or scum if i was scum in ur eyes.

i hate when ppl start having this instant pocketing shit then proceed to scumread out of no where.

why do you think i explored the options that YOU or roden could be scum, while not just relying on me, val, clark being scum.

i was the only one to push that narrative where you could be scum, and you even agree with me. i can just easily just set up a chain lim on val today and push clark tmr, or vice versa as scum. i dont see the point for me as scum, to push the narrative that it possibly could be roden when the attention focus is on clark, val, and me and while those 2 INCLUDING U NANCY townreading nancy, i dont think i would take that risk as solo scum.

That is not true, you were sussing on me while I was still hard defending you and I made it clear why: You seem to be the only one who hasn’t made definitive reads. Having everyone in your PoE, based on no one being confitown, looks pretty bad, especially since you’re literally the only one doing that.

This isn't true, it looks you took out of context and you used some basis of assumption on this. If you go back and read, you will see I had definitive reads, it justs I changed them. I gave you readlist prior answering your question to see where you stand, I also answered your question about how many times. Please read. I even have said it in pervious posts such as 817, 821, 815, 810, and more

Why does scum!Roden townlock both me and Val? If he’s scum, he can presumably only kill one of us and that puts scum!him at a serious disadvantage in Elo.

Because if he was scum, he can also town you and Val, kill you tonight, get an elim on Clark on day 4 while pocketing Val since Val thinks there is scum between me and Clark and so Roden would push me today and I flip town. I don't see how that makes Roden towny? You are just not thinking of every sitatuion here.

You can’t give me oh it’s so scummy you’re doubting me when your read on me is the exact same when I was strongly tr you. James was clearly trying to kill me to survive and everyone but you - including Chuck could see that.

Have I said you are scum? No, I haven't. So don't assume this please. And Yes I already said that you were most likely town, how many times do I have to explain, I already that you are probably town for this? And I already said that you could still be bussed and that no one is ever scum. I already said this in post 797. James did the same thing by pocketing me and townreading me and they flipped scum, it could easily be degraded as a bus. While I don't think that is true, you keep making it seem I am 100% scumreading you and wanting you for this etc etc, no that isn't what I am doing. I am giving the rest of the town, all the possible options and how anything and everything could be refuted due to mechanics of the game

.

[Val89]

I did, didn't I?

Would you give me the post number? I think I am going blind...

[Nancy Drew 39]

Then realized that there would be NO way for an Roden/Nancy elim to happen on this day so no point to push that narrative this day.

Again, Grandpa, this is so scummy it hurts!

If you are town, and you believe scum is in Roden or Nancy, you push them; because the only way we win is for scum to be voted out.

If you truely believe scum is in Roden or Nancy, psuh them, and push them hard, even if you are only one doing it, because your faction winning DEPENDS on you - you are the only one seeing the truth, and if you sit quiet, town loss this game.

Scum on the other hand: the way scum wins this game is to get two town lims. Thats the victory path. So, yeah, scum can decide they aren't gettting a Nancy/Roden lim, and decide they have to go for Clark + Val, in either order; but town!Grandpa CAN NOT have this attitude, so if you are town!Grandpa - wise up.

+1

[GrandpaMo]

Then realized that there would be NO way for an Roden/Nancy elim to happen on this day so no point to push that narrative this day.

Again, Grandpa, this is so scummy it hurts!

If you are town, and you believe scum is in Roden or Nancy, you push them; because the only way we win is for scum to be voted out.

If you truely believe scum is in Roden or Nancy, psuh them, and push them hard, even if you are only one doing it, because your faction winning DEPENDS on you - you are the only one seeing the truth, and if you sit quiet, town loss this game.

Scum on the other hand: the way scum wins this game is to get two town lims. Thats the victory path. So, yeah, scum can decide they aren't gettting a Nancy/Roden lim, and decide they have to go for Clark + Val, in either order; but town!Grandpa CAN NOT have this attitude, so if you are town!Grandpa - wise up.

BUT I DON't THATS THE PROBLEM!!!

I don't think its Nancy/ Roden how much times I have to say this. I have already explained this multiple times omg

[GrandpaMo]

are you saying u will scumread me if i vote val because i dont wanna vote clark

and you will scumread me if i just vote val as scumread?

If you really think Val is scum, why does it matter if Roden would sr you for it? If I was confident on Val!scum, I wouldn’t gaf what Roden or anyone else thought.

I don’t recall in that game we played, you being this self-conscious about being sr. You pretty much pushed whatever you felt like without really much concern for what anyone else thought.

that wasn't my original point. i misinterperted what roden was originally saying and i had thought that if i scumread either or then i would still be a scumread -- so thats why i had made it a problem.

my point was that it didnt matter for me to vote, because i thought there was at least ONE scum between val and clark.

idgaf if i get scumread, heck i careless that im being scumread by roden the most, im more focusing on the weird unvote and votes happening from both of clark and val.

both are playing lamist playstyles and one is just misguided town

Can you give us a readslist? You are the only one necessary to ask this because I’m still not completely sure where you stand.

Are you serious? I already explained where I stand about 5 times now, and it is starting to get frustrating.

Again if you recall and read my posts with the reasonings I post, it should imply that my readlist should similarly look like this.

Clark

Val

Roden

Nancy

Again I will repeat.

At first, I had Roden and Clark as scum in between.

Then I realized that Val, Clark, and Nancy all townread Roden

So I moved the poe to scum between Val and Clark because of Associative.

And so that would make Roden hard null - implied town if there is scum between Val and Clark

Same with Nancy.

Then realized that there would be NO way for an Roden/Nancy elim to happen on this day so no point to push that narrative this day.

This post doesn’t even make sense. If there is actual scum between Clark and Val, in what universe is Roden a null?

Hard Null because I switched from it being roden to clark / val im not scumreading roden todya there is no point. why do u think i said "implied town if there is scum between val and clark" holy fuck stop misinterperting my posts

[GrandpaMo]

Your readslist isn’t based off so much on who you read but on who you think is likeliest to be elimmed. That’s an ELIMINATION list not a readslist.

that is a readlist, i just responded to ur post, giving u post numbers where i have explained why and how for literlaly everythin


pls just fucking read.

[Val89]

You just said it in 901! - "no point pushing that narrative this day"....

[GrandpaMo]

omg i read chuck as clark this whole time . this changes something ima explain in a few

@val, i just realized i never submitted and had it in my drafts ...


because i changed it from being roden / clark to clark / val

[Nancy Drew 39]

Scum!Roden killing me and townocking Val puts scum!him at a serious disadvantage. Recall Hopkirk said I was “probably” town going into elo, then of course he lied about townlocking me right out of the gate.

[Val89]

l im not scumreading roden todya there is no point.

No; Grandpa, there is 100% NOT a reason not to scumread Roden today if you think he is scum, none what-so-ever.

If you think there is the remotest chance that Roden is scum, you need to make that case. If we vote off clark today, and the final pool is Me, You, Roden, there is zero,

ZERO

chance, baring some really obvious out of this world slip, that would make me vote Roden over you, no matter how hard you push him. Tomorrow is too late. It has to be today. I can't speak for Clark, but I imagine given his reads list, the same applies if I am the lim today.

You saying "Im not scum reading X because I can't get them limmed today" is the equivilant of saying "I am scum and I'm not going to push people I can't get limmed". Why can't you see that?

[GrandpaMo]

You just said it in 901! - "no point pushing that narrative this day"....

ok and ??? there isn't.

look ima give u baby steps to my thought process.


look >>>>

Roden /

Clark

and Val /

Clark

I bolded the same person that was found in my narrative.

I dropped roden because they were being townread by Clark.

This implies that there isn't scum no longer between Roden / Clark.

And if I am wrong about that, we push the narrative on day 4, if roden isn't town.

i as town, do this shit where i give all perspectives ffs.

u know this!! i did the same ewxact thing in the last game we played and U SCUMREAD ME FOR IT VAL

then there would NO POINT to push the narrative that roden is scum BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO ELIM ON RODEN REGARDLESS IF I DO SCUMREAD THEM OR NOT HENCE WHY THEY ARE NULL IMPLIED TOWN NANCY!!!!


DOES THAT MAKE SENSE

[Val89]

And if I am wrong about that, we push the narrative on day 4, if roden isn't town.

And I have literally just said that is too late!

Did you read my 918?

[GrandpaMo]

a, there is 100% NOT a reason not to scumread Roden today if you think he is scum, none what-so-ever.

do u want me to give a scumcase on roden???

because i will if that helps you evaulate me???

[GrandpaMo]

And if I am wrong about that, we push the narrative on day 4, if roden isn't town.

And I have literally just said that is too late!

Did you read my 918?

just did

[Nancy Drew 39]

You just said it in 901! - "no point pushing that narrative this day"....

@Mo, if Val and Clark were hypothetically onboard with either a Roden or me elim, would you vote whichever one of us that was today, > Clark or Val?

[Val89]

And yet you still tell me you won't "push the narrative" that Roden is scum today because you can't get him limmed?

Let me ask you this another way - if we limmed Clark today, and they turn out not to be scum; and assuming for some currently unfathomable reason Roden isn't the NK, Who do you vote for D4 between me and Roden? What if I am the lim today, who do you vote then, Clark or Roden?