MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Xlos]

Now that I got this out of the way, I will explain for the very last time: I am informed that "a specific something" is the flavor of "a specific someone". I don't want to say whose flavor I am informed of because that tips that specific someone to say the truth about their flavor and tips everyone else that they can lie about theirs.

My info is in the form of "you know that <player name>'s flavor is <specific flavor>.

I am not looking for a needle in the barn. I know what I'm looking for and know from whom I want it.

If Wheme is your neighbor, isn't is very reasonable for them assume that you know their flavor, meaning hiding that the person whose flavor you know doesn't do much?

Even excusing this, if you have a separate chat with them, why do you feel the need to push this publicly? You could literally just ask in that thread. Why risk literally everybody's flavor when you have a perfect excuse?

[Titus]

I am using the term right. A50 is doing so much crazy stuff to avoid dying by a nightkill. Hider and bomber, what do they have in common? They are useless night kills. He's generating a wifom.

Toog is frankly better because DGB has been on fire this game. I trust its judgment more than my own currently. If DGB is ever wrong, I'll move back to being independent. I made a deal too and I intend to keep it unless DGB says self vote.

DGB has swingy games. Sometimes it's in bad player jail. Sometimes it's hot. I'm riding the hot wave.

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #7

Xlos (3) (F-2): Almost50 (1133), Toogeloo (1134), Galron (1269)

Almost50 (2): Xlos (1135), MathBlade (1124)
Jake the Wolfie (1): Jake the Wolfie (1004)
Titus (0):
Toogeloo (2): DrippingGoofball (1074), Titus (1075)

Not Voting (1): WhemeStar

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-08 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-14 21:45:00).

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Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them

[MathBlade]

This doesn’t make sense Titus.

A50 denied being a bomber.
If he was a bomber, then no problem he just goes off on his top scumread and scum waste a nightkill.
If he’s not a bomber then why claim it in the first place.

The much more likely solution is he’s scum trying to avoid a vig kill rather than town being weird to avoid a scum one.
He’s claimed nothing important and I see zero reason why A50 would be the night kill even before his shenanigans today.

Why does town want to avoid dying by nightkill when you said town has no more power Titus?
This position is not logically consistent.

Assuming A50 town …(I don’t believe this but for assumptions sake)
If town has no power left and A50 is not a mobile PR then A50 has no fear of death if town and therefore his elim/nightkill helps prove his Wheme/Xlos case.
If town has no power left besides A50 then A50 would agree that there would be scum in DGB/Toog and not have pivoted to Wheme/Xlos when Toog failed earlier. He’d freak out his scumread followed him (as pointed out earlier).

If town has power left (say a vig/exploder/what not) then A50 would be doing his best to not be vig bait.

I just don’t see what you’re getting at Titus.

DGB has not been “on fire”. If we assume it is town, it had one cop check correct and very rarely discusses anywhere else. I agree DGB sometimes has swingy games but I would have much rather it do the walls of thought that it is known for as town. There’s been little pings but nothing like WH13.

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12648256

Look at the amount of work it can do when it tries to explain itself.

This is very rare in its scum games.

I want to see DGB want it.

[Titus]

DGB can't do a scumputer based on this little data. It's the same reason I can't do my VCA.

DGB also has to play differently a little bit so it can sort me. If DGB is double bussing, do you really think it will survive with the two most moonlogicky slots in the game.

In sports, stick with the hot hand. I'll give my reads but DGB has my sword.

[MathBlade]

I don’t think if DGB is scum Toog is.

And yes it can. It did more in Wh13.

Why are you arguing DGB can’t do something and why can’t it argue for itself?

So you’re entire argument to go Toog over the entirely antitown blatantly bad very likely scum is “because DGB says so?”

And that is not how sports or poker work at all. You go with the odds.

Odds are no matter DGB’s alignment nom was scum. Odds are here A50 is scum.

And yes town you can and has done a VCA with a scum flip. It seems like you use the “can’t do VCA” whenever you’re scum and it’s getting to be damn near close to a tell if it’s you and A50.

[Xlos]

I am using the term right. A50 is doing so much crazy stuff to avoid dying by a nightkill. Hider and bomber, what do they have in common? They are useless night kills. He's generating a wifom.

Toog is frankly better because DGB has been on fire this game. I trust its judgment more than my own currently. If DGB is ever wrong, I'll move back to being independent. I made a deal too and I intend to keep it unless DGB says self vote.

DGB has swingy games. Sometimes it's in bad player jail. Sometimes it's hot. I'm riding the hot wave.

What motivation does town A50 have to avoid dying by nightkill? He's already admitted being neighbors and he hasn't been using the daychat effectively to get any reads on Wheme. So they are essentially VT. Shouldn't they be trying to get NKed? Furthermore, there's evidence that this game has a vig, so the most likely result of claiming a vig is that the real vig will counter-claim. I don't see how this is a pro-town move at all.

If you didn't have DGB's reads, who would you be voting and why?

[Titus]

I would be voting Jake. The game is stale and he's trolling which is of no use. We just finished a scum game together where town imploded. He could be looking for the same thing.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ah, but this time I really am masons, promise *wink*
More seriously, I'm generally confused about what the fuck is happening in the game. Words are being thrown around, players can't seem to make up their mind, and some players are saying things contradictiong what both themselves and others are saying. I'm not really sure what to think, so I'm staying on the sidelines until my assistance is needed. Cutting off deadweight won't help you kill scum, it'll only keep the game noisy and unreadable.

[MathBlade]

Nah not for voting Jake. Could go for a Titus elim if I have to go outside that trio.

[WhemeStar]

e. Words are being thrown around, players can't seem to make up their mind, and some players are saying things contradictiong what both themselves and others are saying

TRUE

[DrippingGoofball]

Day 2 was a cop guilty day. I'm not sure how coloring votes is going to work as opposed to looking at players' reactions.

[MathBlade]

Day 2 was a cop guilty day. I'm not sure how coloring votes is going to work as opposed to looking at players' reactions.

Then do that make your DGB list and then ask your DGB questions and find scum that way.

I think you can do that and would contribute to the game.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ah, but this time I really am masons, promise *wink*
More seriously, I'm generally confused about what the fuck is happening in the game. Words are being thrown around, players can't seem to make up their mind, and some players are saying things contradictiong what both themselves and others are saying. I'm not really sure what to think, so I'm staying on the sidelines until my assistance is needed. Cutting off deadweight won't help you kill scum, it'll only keep the game noisy and unreadable.

Why don't you help?

[DrippingGoofball]

e. Words are being thrown around, players can't seem to make up their mind, and some players are saying things contradictiong what both themselves and others are saying

TRUE

How scumvenient that of all the posts to opine, this is the one you chose.

[DrippingGoofball]

Day 2 was a cop guilty day. I'm not sure how coloring votes is going to work as opposed to looking at players' reactions.

Then do that make your DGB list and then ask your DGB questions and find scum that way.

I think you can do that and would contribute to the game.

Next time I'm on desktop.

[Jake The Wolfie]

e. Words are being thrown around, players can't seem to make up their mind, and some players are saying things contradictiong what both themselves and others are saying

TRUE

How scumvenient that of all the posts to opine, this is the one you chose.

"How dare you agree with someone that the game is confusing? Shame on thee!"

[DrippingGoofball]

There's two whole days and a bunch of claims, what is confusing?

[DrippingGoofball]

There is even a dead scum.

[MathBlade]

What I find confusing is the amount of claims and how they don't all seem to fit in one setup. Ircher and SirCakez are good mods. There are certain "newbie" mod mistakes like folllow the cop that I trust Ircher and Cakez not to make. I think Jake is slowly coming to start joining the game and providing thoughts and not trolling. Or maybe I understand the focusedness he's doing. I kinda want to see what he does.

Role claims list

DrippingGoofball >> One shot cop. Claims guiltied nom.
Xlos
Almost50 >> Claimed Informed Neighbor with Wheme. Claimed/FakeClaimed/Something about exploding/killing DGB.
Jake The Wolfie
Galron
MathBlade
Titus
WhemeStar >> Claimed Informed Neighbor with A50
Toogeloo >> Two Shot RoleBlocker

Dead players

Flea The Magician >> VT
MURDERCAT >> Ungated doctor.
nomnomnom >> Scum Joat Flavor Cop Doc
T3 >> Even Night Modified Rolecop

Likely to exist roles

Some sort of vig/exploder/reason scum have a doctor instead of some other one shot power if really trying to be an innocent to a role cop.

Could this just be A50 and Wheme and they're trying to distance? Despite screaming Wheme is scum A50 is pushing Xlos. A lot of votes on Ircher's vote count don't actually match who is being pushed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

There's two whole days and a bunch of claims, what is confusing?

This song sums up my thoughts on the game right now:

[Almost50]

Why are you lying about your role when you know I already know about your role?

Do you? What is my role? And what did I say it was (that you considered to be a lie). Please be precise.

[Almost50]

@Mathblade: Remember this game? Assuming you're town here; can you please tell me how you play/logic/thought process evolved from back then till now?? because I honestly don't see much difference. "I am right because I'm right, and the things that

are actually true

don't make sense".

I rest my case

[Almost50]

FTR, Math wasn't even playing under his main there. It's just that I remembered how it went and when i tried to search my games for Mathblade I couldn't find it, so I thought if Drealmers and Aris (Aris as the mod). I didn't even remember Titus was in it until I found it.