Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[cowsloveSushirolls]

as much as i want to take this d1 elim very seriously the two replacements are staring at me with them big ol eyes

might reread, my top d1 elim (bulge) is not something im satisfied by at all

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-12

A New Orleans style fried shrimp Po-Boy.

At the turn of the century on the Gulf Coast, 25 cents would buy -- not a dozen -- ONE HUNDRED oysters. A hollowed out loaf of French bread would hold about a dozen fried oysters. In the mid-1910s, two brothers named Bennie and Clovis Martin moved to New Orleans to work as streetcar conductors. In 1922, the brothers then decided to open up their own restaurant, Martin Brothers' Coffee Stand and Restaurant, specializing in French loaf sandwiches with anything you wanted on them. In 1929, these sandwiches became known as po-boys. Members of the Amalgamated Association of Street and Electric Railway Employees of America, Division No. 194, went on a four-month- long strike. Over a thousand union streetcar workers had no source of income during the strike. The Martin brothers, to show their support for the workers affected by this strike, wrote a letter to one of the local newspapers, stating that they would give a free meal to any members of Division 194. Legend has it that when the brothers saw one of the union workers walk into their restaurant, one of them would yell, "Here comes another poor boy!" Since the free meal given to these workers often included the customary sandwich, the name "poor boy" gradually became associated with the sandwich itself.

T3

(2): VFP, JamesTheNames

cowsloveSushirolls

(1): HockeyFan

Looker

(1): GrandpaMo

VFP

(1): T3

Not Voting

(4): cowsloveSushirolls, The Bulge, Looker, Clasko

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 16, Midnight US Eastern Time

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-15 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

fferyllt-Cabd combined ISO for vote counts
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[HockeyFan]

I had a look through the bracketed 4 in more depth.
Mo hasn't voted for the longest duration, which is weird but the game is slow I guess, I don't think he's scum here.
cowsloveSushirolls is being sporadic, it is really hard to tell if it scummy or townie for me.
The Bulge is a lurker/coaster. Along with the not voting and reasoning I think there's a good chance he's scum.
StrangeMatter is scum, they've had 160 odd posts and haven't even contributed a read yet, weird. They comment on their opinions of Lurkers whilst lurking/coasting, without giving names or being cued. I'll tell you why this is scummy. This is kind of the opposite of bussing. With bussing you want to get your own scum member pressured, and you want to seem as town like by being the main person pushing the wagon. In this case, they don't want to name any actual lurker, so when a town flips, they weren't pushing the wagon and would garner no suspicion.

I'm confident the 2 scum are in [T3, The Bulge, Looker].
It's unfortunate StrangeMatter got replaced when I noticed this, so I'm not going to push Looker too hard as they can't explain everything behind a predecesor. I'm not hammering anyone outside of these 3 D1.

I like this from james, james town for d1 althought thier POE is a bit wack

Sorry - to quote the bangles, it's just another manic monday.

Will read up now and provide reads/thoughts very soon. (:

Hello looker~

this is a very specific entrance. why the greetings to looker and not to us where you have replaced as well?

ignoring 564 pfft

Look looker, I know you rolled scum. Please confess?

pressure complete, returning to shadows

UNVOTE: HockeyFan

I am so tempeted to omgus u for pillow pushing me and then just taking off all the gas like what? I dont understand your read on me

hockey

in the reality that you didn't OMGUS me in you got mad at yourself because of all of the INFORMATION you missed out on
do not resist the urge
pillow push me back

my read is that i have no read until you make the decision

I still think the cows/VFP pair exists btw

imagine scumreading me in the beginning then proceed to sheep me at eod, classic hockey

Not everything I do has to be based on your reads smh

i'm sure they can, but i guess it's the same reason i attribute anti-town actions to town: scum has no incentive to do them if there's way more effective ways of carrying out something

Scum do infact have an incentive to be "anti-town" so ppl can just go them calling "omg they're tstbs"(which is basically what you're doing rn)

rolling around in my head right now

as far as i know only 2 people have used TBTBS right now in order to support a read: me and grandpamo

i don't think people saying that is as common as you think, if i remember correctly 2 people have been against using those sort of reads (you and bulge) which means we are evenly matched. i don't think this is actually the case and there's a lot more people that don't use TBTBS than do

sure the lurking part of VFP's play is likely to be excused by newbies, but the general reaction of a newbie i'd think when subjected to their again, kinda vague cases would be frustration and also puzzlement
so, why deliberately try it, when they haven't played like this before (presumably)?

This just confused me more tbh.

[HockeyFan]

will probs re read game tmr to get a better grasp but I like where I am rn

[cowsloveSushirolls]

This just confused me more tbh.

tl;dr: deliberately acting anti-town as scum is risky because people will take it at face value, especially newbies that the person i'm talking about has little to no background info on
i know that this is only one interpretation of VFP's play, and it also banks on it being deliberate: i initally assumed this because i was told that their behavior was out of character (iirc)

[GrandpaMo]

ignoring 564 pfft

woops didnt see that

sorry

[VFP]

T3 is just trying to survive here rather than scum hunt.
Thats not what town T3 does.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

T3 is just trying to survive here rather than scum hunt.
Thats not what town T3 does.

i could see town T3 wanting to survive if they had a certain role, wink wink
but if you think about it, this is really the only vote they can make (other than HockeyFan)
they townread everyone else, or the possible eliminations are replacements that we get very little information out of

aside from people who may want to pivot their vote, their intentions as scum may be to appeal to the non-voters
im going to do entry-level analysis for this so that i dont give scum ideas :^)

a VFP vote would interest Bulge, but not really me given the reactions of others
a HockeyFan vote would eventually interest me, but not really Bulge as they've expressed a townlean on them
besides us, the other non-voters are the replacements. they are wildcards who as far as i know, have not played with anyone here

in a vacuum with just this info, i think scum T3 and town T3 are the same, but i just remembered that i unvoted right after T3 voted hockeyfan, which seemed to have prompted a pivot onto VFP

last note: i find it quite opportunistic that T3 operating under thread consensus and not explicitly their own beliefs

can i hear more about what you think about hockeyfan, T3?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

i know you said you don't know exactly how scum VFP plays, but if VFP playing nothing like they have in previous games, then they really are true null, no?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

small grammar mistake on above, am crying
going to dip now, good night!

[VFP]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

i know you said you don't know exactly how scum VFP plays, but if VFP playing nothing like they have in previous games, then they really are true null, no?

T3 knows how I play as either align.
Don't fall for the lies!

[T3]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

i know you said you don't know exactly how scum VFP plays, but if VFP playing nothing like they have in previous games, then they really are true null, no?

T3 knows how I play as either align.
Don't fall for the lies!

You jioke around a lot and are really stubborn as town.

[fferyllt]

The Bulge has requested replacement. Searching...

Deadline paused.

[VFP]

Scum mad at T3 showing himself as scum! >:|

[JamesTheNames]

This game is cursed.

[T3]

This game is cursed.

Theseus's ship.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

uhhh now that bulge is gone and their slot is basically ineliminable today, i think i can lim anyone in my pool right now and be kinda happy with the sheer INFORMATION it brings
this won't mean that I'll stop trying to find the best condemn, though

[HockeyFan]

T3 is just trying to survive here rather than scum hunt.
Thats not what town T3 does.

i could see town T3 wanting to survive if they had a certain role, wink wink
but if you think about it, this is really the only vote they can make (other than HockeyFan)
they townread everyone else, or the possible eliminations are replacements that we get very little information out of

aside from people who may want to pivot their vote, their intentions as scum may be to appeal to the non-voters
im going to do entry-level analysis for this so that i dont give scum ideas :^)

a VFP vote would interest Bulge, but not really me given the reactions of others
a HockeyFan vote would eventually interest me, but not really Bulge as they've expressed a townlean on them
besides us, the other non-voters are the replacements. they are wildcards who as far as i know, have not played with anyone here

in a vacuum with just this info, i think scum T3 and town T3 are the same, but i just remembered that i unvoted right after T3 voted hockeyfan, which seemed to have prompted a pivot onto VFP

last note: i find it quite opportunistic that T3 operating under thread consensus and not explicitly their own beliefs

can i hear more about what you think about hockeyfan, T3?

I am struggling to find what your actual read on T3 is.

[HockeyFan]

uhhh now that bulge is gone and their slot is basically ineliminable today, i think i can lim anyone in my pool right now and be kinda happy with the sheer INFORMATION it brings
this won't mean that I'll stop trying to find the best condemn, though

what was your pool again?

[T3]

Grandpa and James (I think) know what's up.

[HockeyFan]

okay tbh I just re-read cows iso and maybe I was sr'ing because on conf bias. They have different reads then me on diff ppl. Everything up to 137 was straight fluff imo. But after 138-now, they've progressed the game forward which is a +. I still dont agree with most of thier reads but they may be town

[fferyllt]

Looker replaces StrangeMatter. Please welcome him!

New Deadline: July 16, Midnight US Eastern Time

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-15 21:00:00)

Due to a user error my part, Looker didn't get the role PM until just now. Apologies to all!

[T3]

Looker replaces StrangeMatter. Please welcome him!

New Deadline: July 16, Midnight US Eastern Time

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-15 21:00:00)

Due to a user error my part, Looker didn't get the role PM until just now. Apologies to all!

Now he can look at his role pm!

[Clasko]

All right, giving thoughts now. Instead of my wallposts from previous games, just gonna present these reads in separate posts so people can quote them easier.

[Clasko]

JamestheNames - I like them as town rn. I'm taking the claim at face value. They've had some fluff posts but I particularly like James' #304 - no nonsense, clear thought process. I thought the timing of the claim didn't seem like it had a scum motive - near RVS stage, I imagine scum want to continue it for as long as possible to prevent the game opening up as quickly as it could. Him pushing people to vote also seems pro-town as (surface level reasoning incoming) how else are we supposed to eject scum?