FFVII Mafia: Over

[armlx]

Define eager.

Liam also wanted to lynch Zac over xtoxm/myself. I actually completely missed that cop that claimed first post in my reread of the scenario. Probably bumps him up to on par with Zac, maybe even Zakeri.

[Dead Rikimaru]

Vote Count Number Ten: The funeral votecount

Albert B. Rampage - 4

(

DynamoXI, Zac, Grimmy, MBPikamon

)

CallMeLiam - 3

(

Zakeri, iamausername, Albert B. Rampage

)

Zakeri - 1

(

armlx

)

MBPikamon - 1

(

Empking

)

Zac - 0

armlx - 0

iamausername - 0

wolframnhart - 0

Jebus - 0

Empking - 0

Cludsy - 0

Grimmy - 0
Yosarian2 - 0
kloud1516 - 0
SpamWise - 0
DynamoXI - 0
GhostWriter - 0
MrBuddyLee - 0
TonyMontana - 0
christiano drago - 0
Westbrook_Owns_U - 0
Cavebear with a toothache - 0

With 22 alive, it takes

12

to lynch.

[Empking]

Wow a lot of people aren't voting.

By eager I meant quick to follow.

[armlx]

Didn't I say everyone vote within a week?

Yeah, do that NOW.

[Yosarian2]

I still don't see a good reason to not lynch Albert here.

I mean, has he done anything this game that's seemed like a pro-town action?

[armlx]

I mean, has he done anything this game that's seemed like a pro-town action?

In his own magical fantasy land, he has.

Also known by the word meta.

[Yosarian2]

No, I don't think that's true. Even granting that Albert's meta means that lying about his role is not itself an inherent scum tell for him, you still can to look at how he did it, when, and why, and figure out if it makes sense as a possible pro-town action or not. In this case, it really dosn't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The proof is in the pudding guys. Xtoxm lied about his role and his investigation as a town-motivated player. I share that same win condition.

I don't think Yosarian can be town this game, because a town Yosarian would obviously know how I play from 10+ games of experience with me lying through my teeth as town to get scum busted.

If you have played with me before, you are either scum or fucked up, because everybody knows my meta:

When I play seriously, I am always scum.

When I play batshit crazy, its because I'm town.

You would think that I would eventually take advantage of this meta, but NO. After 50+ games, I've always done the same thing over and over because it WORKS. The argument "wow Albert hasn't attempted anything this game, that's suspicious" will NEVER get me lynched, and that's why I NEVER pull a crazy gambit as mafia or SK; I play it cool and act rational.

Now I know Yosarian knows this, and the fact that he invents reasons to attack me must mean that he's very likely scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP

If you have played with me before and are voting me now, you are either scum or fucked up, because everybody knows my meta:

[Yosarian2]

I don't think Yosarian can be town this game, because a town Yosarian would obviously know how I play from 10+ games of experience with me lying through my teeth as town to get scum busted.

I don't think I've ever seen you claim cop, on day 1, just to try to get someone you thougt was lying scum lynched. I've seen you do it in endgame, or if you wanted to get nightkilled for some reason, but day 1, when the guy was probably going to be lynched anyway?

If you have played with me before, you are either scum or fucked up, because everybody knows my meta:

When I play seriously, I am always scum.

When I play batshit crazy, its because I'm town.

Eh? I'm not sure I've seen that much difference between your scum and town play. Besides, I think you're playing quite seriously here; I think you saw you had a chance to confirm yourself as cop on day 1, knowing that if it failed you could just fall back on your normal meta to stop from getting lynched.

Now I know Yosarian knows this, and the fact that he invents reasons to attack me must mean that he's very likely scum.

Lol. You think I need to invent reasons to attack you here?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me reiterate. As scum, I play safe. Do you know the meaning of the word safe, Yosarian?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Safe, Yosarian, is not counter-claiming a day-cop, because if that person really is one, you get vigged. Hell, if that person is town, you get vigged, with no doc protect. Are you suggesting I am a bulletproof scum, Yosarian?

[Yosarian2]

Safe, Yosarian, is not counter-claiming a day-cop, because if that person really is one, you get vigged. Hell, if that person is town, you get vigged, with no doc protect. Are you suggesting I am a bulletproof scum, Yosarian?

Yeah, that is exactally what I am suggesting; in fact, I already said that.

More likely, I think, is that you're some kind of scum (SK, or member of a second scum group, or something) who thought Xtoxm was probably lying scum of a different flavor (not a hard guess to make, considering how scummy he acted all day) and decided to try to use the situation to get yourself "confirmed" by pretending to be a cop and faking a guilty investigation on someone you were sure was scum. Bad luck on your part that it turned out he was really just a dumb townie; if he had been scum, you could have rode that fake-claim all the way through to endgame, especally if you are a NK-immune SK or something.

So, yes, I do think you are a nightkill immune scum, probably a SK. That's why I'm voting you.

Although, I'm not sure how claiming daycop makes you get "vigged"; you sure you don't mean nightkilled? And it was pretty clear there wasn't going to be any other counterclaims to a daycop claim, at the point when you claimed; not that that's especally likely anyway, it's a pretty rare role.

[Yosarian2]

As for the "when scum you play it safe" meta, that might be true; I haven't seen you enough times as scum to know if it is or not. Do you play it safe as SK? Because, IMHO, "playing it safe" a SK is actually a bad idea, since a SK has a hard time winning unless he takes some big risks.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So rare that it is completely implausible for Xtoxm to be one. But with posts like these,

lol some people are way too gullible.

Confirm vote: Xtoxm

Ok, so tell me why we should lynch Xtox given the chance he might really be a daycop that played badly? It's not a high chance, but there's also the fact that at worst we lose a townie (hopefully not a PR) and at best Xtox is bussing for the long run.

FoS: xtoxm

I will go back and point out exactly what posts I do not like, which will most likely parallel posts already quoted by others, but I feel it would be beneficial for me to do so anyways.

At the moment, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and see whether or not your day cop claim is true by going along with the suggestion of lynching either you or armlx. I would much rather not risk losing a power role so early in the game, and so I willl

vote: armlx

one would come to think that the town needs a little push over the cliff to lynch a confirmed liar and possible scum. The SK argument against me would come up whether or not Xtoxm was scum, so that argument is void and meaningless. You are as likely SK as me, as it stands.

From my read, I also dislike the way DyanamoIX jumped on Xtoxm:

Well, I did want X to come back to answer the last few questions for us, but as it seems now (to me and to everyone else) he was confrimed lying and ABR says he is confrimed scum. If nobody else wants to Ill hammer him, or Ill just wait till he gets back before I place another vote onto him.

This, after an unvote, seems pretty wishy washy, non-committal and irresponsible come day 2.

I am currently displeased with the following players:

CallmeLiam
Yosarian
DynamoIX

[Yosarian2]

Oh, I get it...misunderstood your post. You're saying that the reason it wasn't safe was that Xtoxm might have been telling the truth, and then you might get vigged or lynched for lying and getting the cop killed? Ok, that's probably true; but the odds of xtoxm not lying there seem small.

I guess I don't see what you stand to gain making that fake claim as town. When I've seen you make fakeclaims as town before, it's always been for a good reason; like, "I wanted the scum to target me because I'm a bulletproof townie" or something. Getting Xtoxm lynched, when, as you say, you might have been wrong, and when it might have happened anyway, dosn't seem like much of a gain; I mean, you didn't even really TRY to get him lynched normally first; you could have at least made all the arguments you made today, and then fakeclaimed if that didn't work.

So, again; could you explain why you thought that was the right move for you to do as town?

[Yosarian2]

Simulpost.

one would come to think that the town needs a little push over the cliff to lynch a confirmed liar and possible scum. The SK argument against me would come up whether or not Xtoxm was scum, so that argument is void and meaningless. You are as likely SK as me, as it stands.

The SK argument is that you being a SK would give you a good motive for how you acted yesterday. How am I "as likely to be a SK as you"?

[Albert B. Rampage]

As for the "when scum you play it safe" meta, that might be true; I haven't seen you enough times as scum to know if it is or not. Do you play it safe as SK? Because, IMHO, "playing it safe" a SK is actually a bad idea, since a SK has a hard time winning unless he takes some big risks.

See for yourself:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... ht=#671575

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=275

I certainly don't claim cop or counter-claim anyone as SK.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, I get it...misunderstood your post. You're saying that the reason it wasn't safe was that Xtoxm might have been telling the truth, and then you might get vigged or lynched for lying and getting the cop killed? Ok, that's probably true; but the odds of xtoxm not lying there seem small.

I guess I don't see what you stand to gain making that fake claim as town. When I've seen you make fakeclaims as town before, it's always been for a good reason; like, "I wanted the scum to target me because I'm a bulletproof townie" or something. Getting Xtoxm lynched, when, as you say, you might have been wrong, and when it might have happened anyway, dosn't seem like much of a gain; I mean, you didn't even really TRY to get him lynched normally first; you could have at least made all the arguments you made today, and then fakeclaimed if that didn't work.

So, again; could you explain why you thought that was the right move for you to do as town?

Didn't think it would happen unless I forced the hand of fate, considering the number of people who were hesitant to vote for the claimed daycop.

[Yosarian2]

Eh...some people were hesitent, but I think it would have happened. Especally once he either answer Armlx's and my questions, at which point I think it would have been easy to prove he was lying (especally the "when did you investigate Armlx?" question; I don't think he could have answered that one safely); or continued to refuse it. I donno; I was pushing the wagon, and I was pretty confident it'd eventually go to a lynch, the claim was just too hard to believe

[Grimmy]

Personally, I do not like voting or not voting based on Meta, because I give players the credit that they are intelligent enouhg to learn from their mistakes, and alter the way they play with each and every game. The point that is stuck in my mind is this:
ABR plays this way all the time. How often does it get him killed for it? And with that, at what point will it just become "he does it all the time, so there is no reason to lynch him over it" which gives him a free pass to do whatever he wants as either town or scum. This may be the game where he is trying this strategy in order to get by as scum, knowing people will not vote him for this meta, and it gives him a cover to continue.

I dont trust him on this one, so

vote: Albert B Rampage

he is the best candidate so far.

Grimmy

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're already voting for me, numbnuts

[Albert B. Rampage]

And your case is weaksauce

[armlx]

Didn't think it would happen unless I forced the hand of fate, considering the number of people who were hesitant to vote for the claimed daycop.

I'm surprised more people don't get how ABR would think this.....

[Jebus]

Vote: Armlx

Specifically at post 603 where it seems to me that he's pushing for the ABR lynch (and if I'm wrong, please tell me.)

I don't really get how ABR can think this, but he's claimed a pro-town power role under the alias of a semi-major and recurrent character (according to wiki), and since no one's countered, I'm willing to believe his claim for now.

His case against Yosarian seems legitamate as well, though I'm not sure I'm willing to go with ABR on that ~