Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Morning Tweet]

yin

, is there a criminal between Flea, Ydrasse, and Ircher?

Now this is a damn good question.

And I will eat the lim if it comes back positive.

i just do not understand this. if we were going to lim based on Yin confirming someone is a criminal it's going to be Tanner or me. if you're elimmed it's not going to be because Yin said so.

you should know you're not scum from your pov, right? if Yin said without a doubt you were a criminal are you then happy to lim yourself, even though that confirmation would mean that being a criminal isn't AI? even if it does have mechanical significance it just does not make sense to me.

This is an incredibly inconsistent point of view from Flea. I just want to highlight this. Flea is trying to eliminate Tanner in order to find out if criminals are scum, but Flea is saying if fae is revealed as a criminal, fae will elim faeself in order to determine if criminals are scum.

What?

Did Flea know fae was going to not appear as a criminal so it was a move for towncred without thinking too much about the implications? I dunno. It makes no sense..

Flea knew Fae would be mechCleared by Yin. Flea also knew if Fae asked the question it could potentially allow for bias

Flea NOW INSISTS WE TAKE OUT THE MECHCONF CRIMINALS.
FLEA ALSO INSIST CHARA AND TANNER ARE LEASHED ON QUESTIONS IN CASE OF YIN HAVING ALTERNATE MECHANICS.

You being cleared as a criminal says nothing. It's really confusing how you don't see this.

[Morning Tweet]

I want to say Flea's obsession with Yin has to be real because it does scum!faer no favours.. it's just hard to believe Flea finds it so helpful when there's no evidence it is

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: morning tweet

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet is scum.

What exactly is the case against Nakata? Nakata was right that Robert was a friend! Remember that Morning Tweet wanted to lim Robert over Infinity on D1, where Nakata was calling Infinity scum.

Hang on

I WAS THE ONLY ONE ADVOCATING FOR SAVING ROBERT YESTERDAY

I GOT HEATED OVER IT

HOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE TOWN FOR DEFENDING ROBERT D1 WHEN I'VE BEEN DEFENDING ROBERT ALL GAMEEEEE

Also saying I wanted to elim Robert over Infy D1 is a blatant lie ??????????????????????

WHAT IIOKjmntipkntgnj

[Morning Tweet]

I have like actually kind of decent TRs on Amy, Robert, and Tanner

i have small gut townleans on clidd, Ydrasse, Norwe

I'm feeling kind of sympathetic to an Ircher elim

Maybe scum Robert got lucky or knew that those posts would reflect as townie, still seems a tad unlikely to me but im considering.

There is also clidd's point earlier this game where Robert illogically attacks Tanner out of the gate even though Tanner had townleaned him prior.

Yeah scum makes mistakes though

reading this reminded me that at the time robert attacked me, i was the most popular collective scumread. is it weird that at this point, i am close to wondering if robert has a post restriction where he's only able to attack whoever is currently the top wagon?

Oh. Hm. So that's at least three times now -- Tanner, Nakata, Ircher.

i have just spent a grand total of 45 seconds skimming robert's iso in this game, and i am back to really wanting to kill him. okay, thanks for listening.

What is it about that game that implies he's scum this game? Ah, it seems like he's trying harder in the beginning, I guess, with big reads posts and the like.

i dont think he's had that deep content this game but i suppose i grant more weight to Robert's wagon reaction than you do

Nakata completely misrepped Tweetie’s wrt to Robert. Nowhere was she ever considering voting him on D1.

NOWHERE HAVE I CONSIDERED VOTING ROBERT

THIS ENTIRE GAME

[Amy Dunne]

And I have no meta on Nakata, so I have no idea what town or scum!him would do but I have see scum blatantly lie in games.

He really isn’t doing much to advance the game other than shade anyone who either expresses suspicion or votes him.

He did absolutely nothing D2 except for tr Clidd for a completely nai post. Other than tunneling on Tweetie, he has said absolutely nothing about either Infinity or Robert yesterday.

It’s strikes me as strange that he thinks anyone sr him is sus when he hasn’t done anything to really to solve. If the srs on him are wrong, he can fix that. I’ve been waiting to see something - anything at all, which would give me a good reason to tr him.

In my experience, scum tends to primarily focus on reads on themselves and very little or at least significantly less on other players.

And unlike Robert, I’ve seen from his towngames like Forest Fire and sf towngames that he is really obvtown and tries hard to solve, which we haven’t been seeing here yet.

[Morning Tweet]

NAKATA ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING THE SAME GAME AS ME

WHAT IS HAPPENINGGGGGGGG

[Morning Tweet]

Do you think Nakata as scum would blatantly lie in the hopes that no one checks the fact?

It makes no sense at all and it's boggling my mind

It doesn't make sense from a town solving PoV but it's also just a really really bad attempt for scum

This game is so confusing. I really hope there isn't a bunch of scum in the townbloc and the scummy players are all just town players playing oddly cause Silent Star bs. I'm starting to get worried

[Amy Dunne]

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Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[6] Robert M Hunter:

Ydrasse, Tanner, Robert M Hunter, Ircher, clidd, PookyTheMagicalBear

HAMMER

[1] Satoru Nakata:

Morning Tweet

[1] Flea The Magician:

Chara

[1] Tanner:

Flea The Magician

[2] Not Voting:

Amy Dunne, Satoru Nakata

With 11 alive, it took 6 to sentence.

The deadline was (expired on 2021-07-17 20:00:50).

Joint moderator ISO.

Tweetie, I never said you did but Nakata specifically mentioned D1.

[Morning Tweet]

Tweetie, I never said you did but Nakata specifically mentioned D1.

Ik, im just adding on to what you're saying. i appreciate the fact checking -- it lines up with my recollection indeed

I'm so lost rn. I'm gonna paranoia remove everyone except... like.... Amy and Ircher from my townbloc and recheck everything later. For prosperity, my reads rn are like

{Ircher}
{Amy}
{Tanner, clidd, Ydrasse}
{Chara, Pooky}
{Flea}
{Nakata}

It just doesnt seem like Flea and Nakata exactly are going to be the team, doesn't it

[Morning Tweet]

What exactly is the case against Nakata? Nakata was right that Robert was a friend! Remember that Morning Tweet wanted to lim Robert over Infinity on D1, where Nakata was calling Infinity scum.

Please tell me this is just scum grasping for straws or something. I mean, taking credit for an elim you weren't a substantial part of is something scum does sometimes

Nakata's read on me is so... confusing, though. I just don't know how anything Nakata has presented all game has convinced him that I'm scum -- or how he expects anyone else to believe it

[Chara]

i think if town Nakata could claim something like that and believe it scum Nakata could believe the exact same thing

[Chara]

This game is so confusing. I really hope there isn't a bunch of scum in the townbloc and the scummy players are all just town players playing oddly cause Silent Star bs. I'm starting to get worried

Robert's play had nothing to do with Silent Star mechanics, and neither did Ircher's, he was just doing something weird. i'm not sure it has anything to do with mechanics at all.

can you talk about your clidd read? i thought his extensive questioning day 1 was pretty fairly but he spent a lot of time trying to move the elim from Infinity iirc.

[Chara]

Nakata or Flea today. i don't think they're both scum, but it's possible. my first guess for scum in the not-immediately-obvious players is clidd, i have reasons to tr all of Amy, Tweetie, Tanner, Ydrasse, Pooky more than clidd though the only ones i'm very sure of are Amy and Tweetie atm.

[Chara]

tbh i don't think any odd play has anything to do with Silent Star weirdness. it seems like it's Yin, Yang, the bomb, and whatever caused the lack of a night/kill. Flea playing in a nonstandard way is nothing new and while i don't townread faer at all the frustrating fixation on mech to the expense of everything else does seem plausible, and less helpful to scum Flea than just trying to hunt would be. like i said fae is capable of it.

[Chara]

that said, it does feel like fae is being purposely unhelpful, i don't know what to make of it. refuge in audacity is always a possibility. like, if it's not working, does continuing to push for it actually help? i feel like i keep trying to ask Flea to explain in an understandable way but it's just getting sidestepped because "i'm better at mech than reads".

[Yang]

We're eliminating clidd today.

[Chara]

Yang

: are you helping mafia? are you mafia?

[Ircher]

Why?

You're 1-1 on accuracy so far.

[Ircher]

@Yang

^

[Amy Dunne]

Chara and especially Tweetie, how are you not locktown on Ydrasse, when she was instrumental in pushing Infinity wagon though. In what world does scum!Ydrasse ever do this?

Both Ydrasse and Pooky are extremely confident trs for me in this game.

[Chara]

i agree, it's really unlikely. i specified you and Tweetie because i can't really fathom either of you being scum, Ydrasse i'm not elimming unless it's her and Ircher/Amy/Tweet as alternatives. but realistically i really don't think she's scum, especially after the interaction with Robert and the ensuing posts. i don't think scum Ydrasse goes that route.

[Yang]

Yang is an NPC. Yang does not have an alignment. Yang may have interests though.

[Yang]

Why?

You're 1-1 on accuracy so far.

Clidd is a gentleman and a scholar.

[Amy Dunne]

Yang is an NPC. Yang does not have an alignment. Yang may have interests though.

Yang

, so there really are 3 factions outside of you and Yin then?

[Yang]

I will not tell you how many factions this game has. It has mafia though. Even though infinity and Robert were both town.