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Post Post #2750 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:12 am

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In post 2748, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 2690, Chara wrote:Flea - what question would you want me to ask?
Anything PoE related at this point. From my working out you are not hard mech scum at this point. at least to me.
Chara is confirmed a criminal by Yin.

Are you referring to that?
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Post Post #2751 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:19 am

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Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
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Post Post #2752 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:20 am

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In post 2154, Yin wrote:
In post 2124, Morning Tweet wrote:
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, is there more than 1 criminal inside of Tanner, Amy, Robert, Ydrasse, and Chara?
There's more then 1.
We know that Tanner is a criminal, and we know that Amy/Robert/Ydrasse are not criminals. That makes Chara a criminal.
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Post Post #2753 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:22 am

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Infinity was precious cute sweet town we love her

I am calling her town because we must remember her
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Post Post #2754 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:24 am

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In post 2751, Amy Dunne wrote:Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
Right but if Pooky is scum he still has to fool you whether he likes it or not. That's the game
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In post 710, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Amy do you already know I'm town? :3
I only know that I am. You should be able to tell I am, do you?
In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
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In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
I think you are. I also think it’s beyond obvious we really can’t take what the NPAs say as dogma.
In post 714, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I mean don't you townread me independently of what the NPA says?

I am very townie
Essentially, you're saying Pooky wouldn't talk to you this way as scum. Like a "Can't you see I'm town? Look at me go I'm so town" tone. I understand why you read him town because of that, and I agree it's more towny than not. Would it be really easy to do as scum, yes, but I can see a world where scum Pooky wouldn't do that because he doesn't like actively singling you out to trick you. So perhaps.

It's also possible in my mind that Pooky could be the third faction where he can satisfy not having to trick you (since he's not exactly scum in that case), although we know nothing about the third faction so it's hard to say.
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Post Post #2755 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 am

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Pooky and i are not allowed to go a day phase without cycling through both townreading and scumreading each other. it's one of the unwritten rules of mafia
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Post Post #2756 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:34 am

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In post 2754, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2751, Amy Dunne wrote:Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
Right but if Pooky is scum he still has to fool you whether he likes it or not. That's the game
In post 711, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 710, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Amy do you already know I'm town? :3
I only know that I am. You should be able to tell I am, do you?
In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
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In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
I think you are. I also think it’s beyond obvious we really can’t take what the NPAs say as dogma.
In post 714, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I mean don't you townread me independently of what the NPA says?

I am very townie
Essentially, you're saying Pooky wouldn't talk to you this way as scum. Like a "Can't you see I'm town? Look at me go I'm so town" tone. I understand why you read him town because of that, and I agree it's more towny than not. Would it be really easy to do as scum, yes, but I can see a world where scum Pooky wouldn't do that because he doesn't like actively singling you out to trick you. So perhaps.

It's also possible in my mind that Pooky could be the third faction where he can satisfy not having to trick you (since he's not exactly scum in that case), although we know nothing about the third faction so it's hard to say.
Yes, that’s EXACTLY what I’m saying. Scum!Pooky wouldn’t single me out like that. He isn’t FL who probably would lim his own mother. I’m telling you I KNOW Pooky wouldn’t do that to me. Plus there’s anti-partnery interactions with Infinity and he is usually either emotionally flat or almost menacing when scum. Here he is extremely upbeat - another towntell because he hates playing scum. He is also actively solving, reads uninformed and doesn’t have any agenda I can see.
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Post Post #2757 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:09 am

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In post 2700, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2662, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 2655, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2616, Chara wrote:
In post 2613, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 2602, Tanner wrote:
yin
, is there a criminal between Flea, Ydrasse, and Ircher?
Now this is a damn good question.

And I will eat the lim if it comes back positive.
i just do not understand this. if we were going to lim based on Yin confirming someone is a criminal it's going to be Tanner or me. if you're elimmed it's not going to be because Yin said so.

you should know you're not scum from your pov, right? if Yin said without a doubt you were a criminal are you then happy to lim yourself, even though that confirmation would mean that being a criminal isn't AI? even if it does have mechanical significance it just does not make sense to me.
This is an incredibly inconsistent point of view from Flea. I just want to highlight this. Flea is trying to eliminate Tanner in order to find out if criminals are scum, but Flea is saying if fae is revealed as a criminal, fae will elim faeself in order to determine if criminals are scum.

What?

Did Flea know fae was going to not appear as a criminal so it was a move for towncred without thinking too much about the implications? I dunno. It makes no sense..
Flea knew Fae would be mechCleared by Yin. Flea also knew if Fae asked the question it could potentially allow for bias

Flea NOW INSISTS WE TAKE OUT THE MECHCONF CRIMINALS.
FLEA ALSO INSIST CHARA AND TANNER ARE LEASHED ON QUESTIONS IN CASE OF YIN HAVING ALTERNATE MECHANICS.
You being cleared as a criminal says nothing. It's really confusing how you don't see this.
Well by the same logic, Ircher is the only living mechclear player.
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Post Post #2758 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:12 am

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In post 2712, Chara wrote:Nakata or Flea today. i don't think they're both scum, but it's possible. my first guess for scum in the not-immediately-obvious players is clidd, i have reasons to tr all of Amy, Tweetie, Tanner, Ydrasse, Pooky more than clidd though the only ones i'm very sure of are Amy and Tweetie atm.
Love how you're suddenly on me now the mechconf method is in my favour.
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Post Post #2759 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:13 am

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In post 2713, Chara wrote:tbh i don't think any odd play has anything to do with Silent Star weirdness. it seems like it's Yin, Yang, the bomb, and whatever caused the lack of a night/kill. Flea playing in a nonstandard way is nothing new and while i don't townread faer at all the frustrating fixation on mech to the expense of everything else does seem plausible, and less helpful to scum Flea than just trying to hunt would be. like i said fae is capable of it.
Again I'm not shy about my hunting being nonexistant in this game and being hyperfocused on the mech.
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Post Post #2760 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:13 am

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In post 2757, Flea The Magician wrote:Well by the same logic, Ircher is the only living mechclear player.
How is this a counterargument? That seems like valid logic to me.
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Post Post #2761 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 am

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In post 2750, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2748, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 2690, Chara wrote:Flea - what question would you want me to ask?
Anything PoE related at this point. From my working out you are not hard mech scum at this point. at least to me.
Chara is confirmed a criminal by Yin.

Are you referring to that?
I can't see the Chara conf by yin. I'm going to go back over it.
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Post Post #2762 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:17 am

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In post 2752, Morning Tweet wrote:
@Flea
In post 2154, Yin wrote:
In post 2124, Morning Tweet wrote:
Yin
, is there more than 1 criminal inside of Tanner, Amy, Robert, Ydrasse, and Chara?
There's more then 1.
We know that Tanner is a criminal, and we know that Amy/Robert/Ydrasse are not criminals. That makes Chara a criminal.
Theres the one I missed, I'll update my notes.
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Post Post #2763 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:25 am

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Votecount 3.2


[3] Satoru Nakata:
Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse
[1] Tanner:
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[1] Morning Tweet:
Satoru Nakata
[1] Flea The Magician:
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[4] Not Voting:
Amy Dunne, Ircher, clidd, Tanner

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-21 00:49:41).


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Post Post #2764 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:27 am

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In post 2757, Flea The Magician wrote:Well by the same logic, Ircher is the only living mechclear player.
Well that's because...... he is the only living mechclear player.

I'm really confused. That's correct. Ircher is the only mechclear player in this game. Who else are you under the impression is mechclear?
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Post Post #2765 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:28 am

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Nakata is the PoE side that appears in most of my solves, so:

VOTE: Satoru Nakata

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Post Post #2766 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:29 am

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"You not being a criminal means nothing."

"If me not being a criminal means nothing, then all of the criminal business means nothing and the only person who we know the alignment of for sure is Ircher."

"That is..... correct."
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Post Post #2767 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:30 am

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Morning, Ydrasse, Amy, Pooky and Ircher are my townpool.

Flea, Nakata, Chara and Tanner are PoE. I can see any of them being scum.
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Post Post #2768 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:31 am

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If you assume Infinity was a criminal, Nakata is a confirmed criminal, by the way. So you could lim there if you only want to vote criminals.
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Post Post #2769 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:35 am

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In post 2767, clidd wrote:Morning, Ydrasse, Amy, Pooky and Ircher are my townpool.

Flea, Nakata, Chara and Tanner are PoE. I can see any of them being scum.

tanner?????
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Post Post #2770 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:37 am

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Spoiler: Ny copy of mech notes
    • There are 4 criminals () across 3 factions ()

    • The public masonry is not criminal free. ()
      Chara,
      Norwee
      and Pooky
      ()

    • Pooky has voted for a criminal as of post
      Ydrasse, Tweetie, Tanner, Chara
      ()

    • There is a maximum of 1 criminal in Amy, Robert and Tanner ()

    • A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. ()
      Nakata,
      Infinity
      ,
      Ircher


    • Amy has voted at least 1 criminal.
      Chara,
      Ircher
      , Nakata,
      Infinity


    • There are no truely criminal in Amy, Ydrasse and
      Ircher
      .

    • There is at least 1 criminal voting Nakata in VC 1.11.
      Ydrasse, Amy Dunne, clidd,
      Infinity
      , Morning Tweet


    • There is more than 1 criminal in Tanner, Amy,
      Robert
      , Ydrasse and Chara.

    • There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and
      Ircher


    • There is a Criminal in Flea, Nakata and Pooky ()

    • There are 2 criminals in Morning, clidd, Pooky

    • Amy has voted for a still living criminal (as of this post)
      Chara,
      Ircher
      , Nakata,
      Infinity

    Grouplist
    • MIN 1 -> Chara /
      Norwee
      / Pooky
    • MIN 1 ->
      Ydrasse
      / Tweetie /
      Tanner
      / Chara
    • MAX 1 ->
      Tanner
      /
      Amy
      /
      Robert

    • MIN 1 -> Nakata /
      Infinity
      /
      Ircher

    • MIN 2 -> Chara /
      Ircher
      / Nakata /
      Infinity

    • MIN 1 ->
      Ydrasse
      /
      Amy Dunne
      / clidd /
      Infinity
      / Morning Tweet
    • MIN 1 ->
      Tanner
      /
      Ydrasse
      /
      Norwee

    • MIN 2 -> Tanner /
      Amy
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      Robert
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      Ydrasse
      / Chara

    • MIN 1 ->
      Flea
      / Nakata / Pooky
    • HAS 0/2 -> Morning / Clidd / Pooky
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    • Ircher
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    • Ydrasse -
    • Amy -
    • Robert
      - PoE bias-clear / D2 flip
    • Norwee
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We're looking at Nakata, Chara and Tanner eliminations currently. 4 scum.

I will go with any of those 3.
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Post Post #2771 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:38 am

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In post 2764, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2757, Flea The Magician wrote:Well by the same logic, Ircher is the only living mechclear player.
Well that's because...... he is the only living mechclear player.

I'm really confused. That's correct. Ircher is the only mechclear player in this game. Who else are you under the impression is mechclear?
Honestly the vibes from the game are rediculous. People are following Yin PoE and against PoE at the exact same time. Amy seems to have been given a clear wave, as does Ydrasse. Ydrasse is clearly town by read imo, I haven't paid enough attention to amy to see.
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Post Post #2772 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:38 am

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In post 2769, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 2767, clidd wrote:Morning, Ydrasse, Amy, Pooky and Ircher are my townpool.

Flea, Nakata, Chara and Tanner are PoE. I can see any of them being scum.

tanner?????
Yep, I didn't underestimate his scumgame at any point during this game.
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Post Post #2773 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:39 am

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And he's not obvtown to me too.
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Post Post #2774 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:39 am

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Frankly i'm set enough on this that I'm going to follow this until it's wrong.
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