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Post Post #950 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:30 am

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In post 948, Roden wrote:Should go without saying, but I didn't get a result last night. The NK was also what was expected.

Clark, unless you have a crazy strong case against Nancy, I don't see how you're not the last scum. I'm not auto-voting you because it's possible you do have a case against her, but I'll be honest, it's gonna be an uphill battle.
Why not?

If Clark were to actually do that, it’d be game over because then I would know for certain he was scum. Unfortunately for me, I very much doubt that’s going to happen. :/

Whichever one of you two is the last scum, I officially hate you for doing this to mr.
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Post Post #951 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:32 am

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@Roden, why are you auto-assuming Clark would sus me > you? I find that curious.
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Post Post #952 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:33 am

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Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
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Post Post #953 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:08 am

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In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
Roleblocker. Jailer + Tracker means one of the scum has to be a Roleblocker, and in Newbie games they can kill and use their PR at the same time.
In post 951, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@Roden, why are you auto-assuming Clark would sus me > you? I find that curious.
Because everyone seemed to agree yesterday that I was telling the truth, and I know for myself that I am town. I'm fairly certain I can prove it too.
In post 950, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 948, Roden wrote:Should go without saying, but I didn't get a result last night. The NK was also what was expected.

Clark, unless you have a crazy strong case against Nancy, I don't see how you're not the last scum. I'm not auto-voting you because it's possible you do have a case against her, but I'll be honest, it's gonna be an uphill battle.
Why not?

If Clark were to actually do that, it’d be game over because then I would know for certain he was scum. Unfortunately for me, I very much doubt that’s going to happen. :/

Whichever one of you two is the last scum, I officially hate you for doing this to mr.
It would be dumb for me to auto-vote before even letting people talk. I've town read you for most of the game which is why I'm telling Clark he better have a case, because I don't really have one for you at all. But it's like, maybe a 5% chance you're a deep wolf, and I don't want to give you the quick hammer one post into Day 1 on the off chance you are scum. I'd get flamed so hard for that lol.
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Post Post #954 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:51 am

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In post 948, Roden wrote:Clark, unless you have a crazy strong case against Nancy, I don't see how you're not the last scum. I'm not auto-voting you because it's possible you do have a case against her, but I'll be honest, it's gonna be an uphill battle.
I don't have a case against Nancy, at least nothing compelling. Somebody bussed, and the best I can do is go back and try to pinpoint which of you two are the likeliest to have done so. I actually forgot (having never been scum) that scum can communicate during the day. I will reread with that in mind.

I am aware that unless I can convince the person who I think is likeliest town to vote with me (and if I'm right) this will be a scum win.

Full credit to scum, a beautiful bus job, and a very nice D3. You have to admit you
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Ok, I'll do a little rereading and make a guess about which of you is scum, just for the heck it.
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Post Post #955 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:13 am

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In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
Unless I'm going crazy we are in either A2 or C2.
If we are in A2 then you are the mafia role-blocker and you blocked Roden.
If we are in C2 then Roden took a risk and falsely claimed tracker.

Either way he is going to get "no result" because you role-blocked him, or he is going to say that he got "no-result" to imply that you role-blocked him. I feel like considering your experience you should know this? This is off to me.
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Post Post #956 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:15 am

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In post 953, Roden wrote: Because everyone seemed to agree yesterday that I was telling the truth, and I know for myself that I am town. I'm fairly certain I can prove it too.
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Ok, I read a bunch. Nothing earth-shattering.
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If
Nancy bussed she got on a little later to give the E-1 vote. It was an OMGUS vote after James voted her for relying on meta. Then they have their back and forth. The question is: when it became difficult to steer the James wagon somewhere else did they plan and execute a bit of (very good) theater in order to give Nancy the town-crew she has so enjoyed? If this is the case I think it worked to have the vote from Nancy to be semi-OMGUS as it promotes a heated back and forth. Again, good theater.

That's kinda a coin flip for me, but I have to give the edge to Roden for continually championing Psyche's original argument early and often. Additionally I think I'm leaning to believing Roden's claim. For Roden to be lying he would have had to begun his breadcrumbing in and . Could scum just as easily do this as town? I suppose, but it's an early risk for Roden to take when there was no pressure on him. And as I said earlier we are in one of 2 setups. Scum!Roden would have had a 50/50 chance at not being CC'd by Nancy or myself when he claimed. This is a risk I am unsure they needed to take to end D3, Grandpa was scumming it up and I was just behind him on the chopping block.

Ok, that was likely all for not, but I wanted to share my thoughts. I would just vote for Nancy here, but I'd like to see rebuttals etc.
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Post Post #957 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:29 pm

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In post 956, ClarkBar wrote:
In post 953, Roden wrote: Because everyone seemed to agree yesterday that I was telling the truth, and I know for myself that I am town. I'm fairly certain I can prove it too.
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You've already said part of it here:
ClarkBar wrote: That's kinda a coin flip for me, but I have to give the edge to Roden for continually championing Psyche's original argument early and often. Additionally I think I'm leaning to believing Roden's claim. For Roden to be lying he would have had to begun his breadcrumbing in and . Could scum just as easily do this as town? I suppose, but it's an early risk for Roden to take when there was no pressure on him. And as I said earlier we are in one of 2 setups. Scum!Roden would have had a 50/50 chance at not being CC'd by Nancy or myself when he claimed. This is a risk I am unsure they needed to take to end D3, Grandpa was scumming it up and I was just behind him on the chopping block.
As stated, I had no scum motivation to claim Tracker. In fact, in the scenario where I'm scum, I'd argue it just hurts me to fake claim here when I was already getting town read and had zero pressure. There was a precedent for Val to get voted out before I mechanically cleared him, so even if Grandpa still got voted out I could just NK Nancy and let you and Val battle it out since there was speculation that he was scum. It was even stated that I could've just went through Day 3 pocketing Val and easily won Day 4 by staying quiet. Instead, by claiming Tracker and clearing him, I ensured my "pocket" would have to get NK'd. If I'm scum, this only hurts my chances of winning.

Besides that, I actually bread crumbed much earlier in the game.
In post 930, Roden wrote: My Night 1 track was T3 btw. I partially did it because he fake claimed Tracker, but I also bread crumbed that I was going to in my introductory posts.
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In post 234, T3 wrote:I'm going to do a really good Roden read at some point.
Everyone should trust whatever read T3 has on me, the past four out of five games I've been in have now had T3 in it, and he's personally seen my scum playstyle in detail.

Unless he's scum of course. T3's way more of a wild card than me lol, so
idk if I'll have a strong read on him until probably Day 2.
His posts feel town so far though. I didn't like the Grandpa wagon but it didn't feel like he was grasping at straws to justify it.
This is why I had a weird reason for town reading him Day 2. I knew he was town and just had to latch onto something to make sure he wasn't getting elim'd. I was actually worried I was making my crumbs too obvious, but with Psyche CC'ing James and T3 taking the bullet for Tracker I thankfully didn't die.
This is insanely dangerous for any scum to attempt Day 1. Maybe it's just my own bias, but I was scared this early crumb felt too obvious and that I might've outed myself early, and Val even mentioned it caused him to do a double-take so I don't think I'm just paranoid here. In the scenario where I'm scum and fake crumbing, I think that if any PR saw this and knew their own role contradicted my crumb, they could easily pressure me and get a wagon formed without even having to directly CC me. And keep in mind that scum doesn't know which Row we're in Day 1, only the Column, so even if you want to argue we might actually be in Column C, I'd have to risk getting my fake crumb caught by a Cop or either of the Masons. Yet, I crumbed
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Is it possible I made a ballsy move Day 1? Sure. But is it likely I do this in my introductory posts, and then immediately bus my scum partner when there was barely even any pressure on them, and
then
unnecessarily force my "pocket" to get NK'd on Night 3? Absolutely not. This is about as close to proving myself as town as I can get though, and I really don't think scum ever does anything I did in this game.
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Post Post #958 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:22 pm

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In post 953, Roden wrote:
In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
Roleblocker. Jailer + Tracker means one of the scum has to be a Roleblocker, and in Newbie games they can kill and use their PR at the same time.
In post 951, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@Roden, why are you auto-assuming Clark would sus me > you? I find that curious.
Because everyone seemed to agree yesterday that I was telling the truth, and I know for myself that I am town. I'm fairly certain I can prove it too.
In post 950, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 948, Roden wrote:Should go without saying, but I didn't get a result last night. The NK was also what was expected.

Clark, unless you have a crazy strong case against Nancy, I don't see how you're not the last scum. I'm not auto-voting you because it's possible you do have a case against her, but I'll be honest, it's gonna be an uphill battle.
Why not?

If Clark were to actually do that, it’d be game over because then I would know for certain he was scum. Unfortunately for me, I very much doubt that’s going to happen. :/

Whichever one of you two is the last scum, I officially hate you for doing this to mr.
It would be dumb for me to auto-vote before even letting people talk. I've town read you for most of the game which is why I'm telling Clark he better have a case, because I don't really have one for you at all. But it's like, maybe a 5% chance you're a deep wolf, and I don't want to give you the quick hammer one post into Day 1 on the off chance you are scum. I'd get flamed so hard for that lol.
I know it’s 100% not me and I’m not assuming anything until I’ve heard from both of you because I don’t want the dead thread yelling at me if I guess wrong.
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Post Post #959 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:23 pm

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In post 955, ClarkBar wrote:
In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
Unless I'm going crazy we are in either A2 or C2.
If we are in A2 then you are the mafia role-blocker and you blocked Roden.
If we are in C2 then Roden took a risk and falsely claimed tracker.

Either way he is going to get "no result" because you role-blocked him, or he is going to say that he got "no-result" to imply that you role-blocked him. I feel like considering your experience you should know this? This is off to me.
No, I absolutely told the truth yesterday. I am a vt.
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Post Post #960 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:31 pm

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In post 956, ClarkBar wrote:
In post 953, Roden wrote: Because everyone seemed to agree yesterday that I was telling the truth, and I know for myself that I am town. I'm fairly certain I can prove it too.
You can
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Ok, I read a bunch. Nothing earth-shattering.
If
Roden is scum he got on the Blurry/James wagon nice and early when his partner wasn't really posting and had only Psyche pushing him. When James replaced in no other viable wagon was emerging, so if you're gonna bus then that's a pretty good situation to do it in. Sit back and enjoy the ride while having a luxurious spot on the wagon.

If
Nancy bussed she got on a little later to give the E-1 vote. It was an OMGUS vote after James voted her for relying on meta. Then they have their back and forth. The question is: when it became difficult to steer the James wagon somewhere else did they plan and execute a bit of (very good) theater in order to give Nancy the town-crew she has so enjoyed? If this is the case I think it worked to have the vote from Nancy to be semi-OMGUS as it promotes a heated back and forth. Again, good theater.

That's kinda a coin flip for me, but I have to give the edge to Roden for continually championing Psyche's original argument early and often. Additionally I think I'm leaning to believing Roden's claim. For Roden to be lying he would have had to begun his breadcrumbing in and . Could scum just as easily do this as town? I suppose, but it's an early risk for Roden to take when there was no pressure on him. And as I said earlier we are in one of 2 setups. Scum!Roden would have had a 50/50 chance at not being CC'd by Nancy or myself when he claimed. This is a risk I am unsure they needed to take to end D3, Grandpa was scumming it up and I was just behind him on the chopping block.

Ok, that was likely all for not, but I wanted to share my thoughts. I would just vote for Nancy here, but I'd like to see rebuttals etc.
If you’re the townie here and you vote me, town will lose because I didn’t understand why Roden if town tracker wouldn’t just get an inno on me or a guilty on you.

I would think that any intelligent scum who wasn’t Roden would just no kill.

Anyway it’s 100% not me and I hope whichever one of you is the townie here, will realize that there is no way that James wasn’t trying to kill me to survive.

I was wondering why T3 died instead of either me or Roden and how this final 3 is even possible.

So, I can’t tell you what to do but if you’re the townie and you vote me, we will lose. Good luck.
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Post Post #961 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:32 pm

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@Roden, who did you track, Clark or me? You never answered my question.
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Post Post #962 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:36 pm

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Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@Roden, who did you track, Clark or me? You never answered my question.
I tried to track Clark, it didn't really matter who I chose though because I was always going to be Roleblocked. I explained that here:
In post 953, Roden wrote:
In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
Roleblocker. Jailer + Tracker means one of the scum has to be a Roleblocker, and in Newbie games they can kill and use their PR at the same time.
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Post Post #963 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:42 pm

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I really really didn’t want to be in elo because I didn’t want to be in this position where I would make the wrong decision. Instead I now think that based on Clark’s post, if he is town, then I might actually be the game losing miselim here for the second time now. The first time was on MU and there was actually a confirmed mason in that who wrongly instavoted me before I even had a chance to vote or even make a single post, so I thank the townie here for not doing that and throwing the game.

I know I am town and I just have to hope to God, I can make the other townie realize that it 100% isn’t me. I will not instavote no matter what because I absolutely want to make the right decision here but if the townie votes me, we will auto lose, so please don’t do that.
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Post Post #964 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:45 pm

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In post 962, Roden wrote:
Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@Roden, who did you track, Clark or me? You never answered my question.
I tried to track Clark, it didn't really matter who I chose though because I was always going to be Roleblocked. I explained that here:
In post 953, Roden wrote:
In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
Roleblocker. Jailer + Tracker means one of the scum has to be a Roleblocker, and in Newbie games they can kill and use their PR at the same time.
Why do you think T3 died > either of us? After James tried to kill me, I fully expected to wake up to a “you have died” pm. I still don’t understand why this didn’t happen.
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Post Post #965 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:58 pm

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In post 963, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I really really didn’t want to be in elo because I didn’t want to be in this position where I would make the wrong decision. Instead I now think that based on Clark’s post, if he is town, then I might actually be the game losing miselim here for the second time now. The first time was on MU and there was actually a confirmed mason in that who wrongly instavoted me before I even had a chance to vote or even make a single post, so I thank the townie here for not doing that and throwing the game.

I know I am town and I just have to hope to God, I can make the other townie realize that it 100% isn’t me. I will not instavote no matter what because I absolutely want to make the right decision here but if the townie votes me, we will auto lose, so please don’t do that.
Nancy, I've already said I really don't think it's you, going by how the rest of the game went I'm just having a hard time believing you're scum. However, your posts admittedly look really AtE, and just yesterday you seemed certain scum was between Grandpa and Clark so I'm not sure why you're doubting that now. Waiting for me or Clark to vote first just makes it look like you're waiting for a quick hammer.

Do you think I'm scum here? Because you trusted me pretty much up until now, and you haven't presented a scum case against me or debated any of the points I brought up in my case for why I'm town.
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In post 962, Roden wrote:
Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@Roden, who did you track, Clark or me? You never answered my question.
I tried to track Clark, it didn't really matter who I chose though because I was always going to be Roleblocked. I explained that here:
In post 953, Roden wrote:
In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why didn’t you get a result last night? How is that even possible?
Roleblocker. Jailer + Tracker means one of the scum has to be a Roleblocker, and in Newbie games they can kill and use their PR at the same time.
Why do you think T3 died > either of us? After James tried to kill me, I fully expected to wake up to a “you have died” pm. I still don’t understand why this didn’t happen.
I thought we already answered this awhile ago. Scum knows what Column we're in, and with T3 claiming Tracker and then dying afterwards it makes sense that scum believed it since we're in Column A.

Night 1, Psyche died because they CC'd a protective PR.

Night 2, T3 likely died because he claimed Tracker and scum knew from the set up that there actually was a Tracker in the game.

Night 3, Val died because I mechanically cleared him as innocent. If scum kills me, they confirm that I'm Tracker and Val reaches ELo as a confirmed townie and you make it to end game while highly town read. If scum kills you, Val still reaches ELo as a confirmed townie and I make it to end game while highly town read. Scum 100% has to kill Val Night 3.
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Post Post #966 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:11 pm

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VOTE: Nancy Drew 39

If I’m wrong I am sorry. I didn’t want to be in this position. I just don’t have a great reason to disbelieve the tracker claim. Gambling on A2.
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Post Post #967 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:14 pm

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VOTE: Nancy Drew 39
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Post Post #968 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:21 pm

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Fuuuucckkkkk
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Post Post #969 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:21 pm

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Well played Roden. Sorry town.
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Post Post #970 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:23 pm

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God that feels bad. I was wrong at every step of this game.
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Post Post #971 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:27 pm

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Holy shit. I'm never going to be able to pull this kind of long con ever again.
ClarkBar wrote:Well played Roden. Sorry town.
Thanks Clark. This was honestly a terrible spot to be in for town and I don't envy what I put you guys through.
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Post Post #972 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:33 pm

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I also didn't really want to bus Blurry/James, but man everybody came off super townie Day 1. I expected the wagon to shift again but town played it really well. Grandpa was right earlier when he said I couldn't pivot off of James, if I voted Nancy Day 1 her flip would've made both James and me look really bad. I could've maybe dragged Val down with us but everybody read Nancy vs Val as TvT. It ultimately would've been rough if I didn't bus James, I just feel bad that he replaced into a doomed slot.
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Post Post #973 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:34 pm

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In post 971, Roden wrote: Thanks Clark. This was honestly a terrible spot to be in for town and I don't envy what I put you guys through.
I really wanted to be the elimination yesterday. Then Grandpa (no shade) really just made such a damn good case against himself.

This game may not be for me. What a progression. Suspect and vote the jail keeper, get sick near the end of D1, initiate a wagon against town D2, bite on grandpa (I couldn’t imagine scum wasn’t on the D2 wagon) and shit the bed D4. My shame knows no bounds.
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Post Post #974 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:37 pm

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Also I lost my previous scum game because I was too hesitant to bus my partner haha, I probably over corrected here and could've possibly gotten us both to ELo if I defended James, but again everyone looked super townie Day 1 and there were very cracks. This probably wasn't my only way to end game but it was definitely the clearest path.
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