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Post Post #3875 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:17 am

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Post Post #3876 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:19 am

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She was at E-2, no real danger of a quick lim. His pivot after your post VFP looks like trying to cater to you. If you would have said it made Titus look town Dwlee would agree with that as well.
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Post Post #3877 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:20 am

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In post 3873, ChaosOmega wrote:So your 3863 unvoting her is saying likely scum reaction?
I thought that Titus was at E-1 with my vote which is why I unvoted.
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Post Post #3878 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:27 am

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Now knowing she's at E-3 and thinking her reaction is more likely from scum, why not re-vote her?
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Post Post #3879 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:34 am

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There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.
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Post Post #3880 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:36 am

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VFP why do you keep leaving Chaos out of all of your groupings.
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Post Post #3881 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:39 am

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In post 3879, Dwlee99 wrote:There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.
In post 3813, ChaosOmega wrote:I don't understand the wagon on Titus.
Maybe you can explain it for me then. Why is Titus a good lim today?
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Post Post #3882 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:48 am

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Nero night kill, defense of nom, pushing the "neighbors," at the beginning of the game pushing the me vs Peta TvT fight, all of the reasons Nero/Peta/Anya were pushing Titus day 1/2/3, play being uninspiring, townread on Osuka and Vax (vax may have fluctuated between null and town I think I need to check), early aligning with the "masons," there is a lot there on rereading parts of day one and two.
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Post Post #3883 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:52 am

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In post 2535, Titus wrote:Chaos is pretty obvious that I would be ok yeeting based on his play. I feel the "neighbors" are better yeets though strategically.

I don't get townvibes from T3 and there is a bit of consensus there. I don't really like it because it opposes better lims but I would vote to avoid a no lim or a town yeet.

STD, classic lurker elimination. Would compromise.

Rathe, I don't feel like limming.

Vaxkiller's recent posting has been good but he comes and goes in stages. I'm alright with giving this a day.

VFP seems awkward, aloof, and hard to sort. Ok giving this time too.

Osuka, I still get townvibes here.

Generally, anyone on anya or ssbm, I would give a pass to.
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Post Post #3884 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:54 am

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In post 847, Save The Dragons wrote:i originally like titus's posts but some recent things have bothered me
In post 849, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 636, Titus wrote:@STD, Are you trying to annoy me?
the phrasing bothered me i dunno how to put it but i don't understand why i got called out for my three posts in a row and then osuka posts
In post 661, osuka wrote:toniiiiiiight
In post 662, osuka wrote:im gonna have myself a real good time
In post 663, osuka wrote:i feel ali i I IIIIIVE
In post 664, osuka wrote:i'm gonna catch up here in a second, so
In post 665, osuka wrote:don't
In post 666, osuka wrote:stop
In post 667, osuka wrote:me
In post 668, osuka wrote:nooooow
and Titus doesn't bat an eye
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Post Post #3885 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:04 am

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In post 3884, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 847, Save The Dragons wrote:i originally like titus's posts but some recent things have bothered me
In post 849, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 636, Titus wrote:@STD, Are you trying to annoy me?
the phrasing bothered me i dunno how to put it but i don't understand why i got called out for my three posts in a row and then osuka posts
In post 661, osuka wrote:toniiiiiiight
In post 662, osuka wrote:im gonna have myself a real good time
In post 663, osuka wrote:i feel ali i I IIIIIVE
In post 664, osuka wrote:i'm gonna catch up here in a second, so
In post 665, osuka wrote:don't
In post 666, osuka wrote:stop
In post 667, osuka wrote:me
In post 668, osuka wrote:nooooow
and Titus doesn't bat an eye
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Post Post #3886 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:11 am

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I admit, I had bad reads early.
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Post Post #3887 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:20 am

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In post 3882, Dwlee99 wrote:Nero night kill, defense of nom, pushing the "neighbors," at the beginning of the game pushing the me vs Peta TvT fight, all of the reasons Nero/Peta/Anya were pushing Titus day 1/2/3, play being uninspiring, townread on Osuka and Vax (vax may have fluctuated between null and town I think I need to check), early aligning with the "masons," there is a lot there on rereading parts of day one and two.
It's a shame that none of this was true D3 and you had to vote for Anya instead of Titus.

On a not snarky note, does Gamma not dying N3 affect your Titus read at all?
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Post Post #3888 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:30 am

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Titus I can totally see you being town here especially given the FIA WRC game that just ended I'm just like, confused kind of. And my biggest fear here is that the reason I keep getting into these mental ruts is a false assumption on my town reads.

Here's some of my thought processes about how the game:

I start by assuming two scum with or without a traitor as a rhurd member. Looking at interactions throughout the game I get the vibe that Andre/Titus are not a team and something made me think Chaos/Titus aren't a team although I forget what led me to that conclusion. StD/T3 can't be main scum unless gamma is bsing us, but Rathe's interactions with nom and osuka are good. Like maybe too good where it's bussing but I feel like Rathe presented solid reasons for scumreads on both slots and pushed them with some frequency. There is a point around page 30 where VFP questions whether Rathe's push on nom there is distancing, but I like Rathe's pushes.

I think VFP is town for his pushes on nom early and that entire interaction.

DotW duh.

Okay so who does that leave me with? It leaves me with Titus, Andres, Chaos, and Kyo. Assuming what I read into partner interactions is correct (no Titus/Andre and no Titus/Chaos) then I'm really left with 2 of {Andres, Chaos, Kyo} or {Titus, Kyo}. Are there any parts of my analysis that don't hold up?

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Post Post #3889 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:45 am

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Kyo is in 3 of those 4 pairs, and I feel like you haven't questioned her or posted anything negative about her at all. That seems really weird to me. Is Kyo your top scumread?
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Post Post #3890 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:50 am

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Kyo is like... PoE material. She had the thing with Anya and was defending Anya and I thought she was town for a while in relation to that. A lot of the game I will admit I wasn't trying to sort her because I thought her and Anya were masons so I kind of have head empty on that. I was just thinking about how maybe Kyo makes sense as an elimination here cause if my pairings are right it literally solves the game. That's a big if though.

I could totally see the traitor universe existing where Kyo knows 1.) I have a traitor and 2.) Someone just lied about being in a neighborhood with me and thinks "this is my traitor" leading to all of the things that happened.

Based on where I'm at that would leave STD/T3 as the actual traitor with me leaning towards StD because now that I think about it, "Titus complained about this thing I did but not Osuka" is a way to plant an associative between Titus and Osuka if STD knows that Osuka is scum.
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Post Post #3891 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:54 am

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Ugh but Kyo/Titus doesn't make sense either and this is where I descend into some confusion. Kyo also was pushing nom at some point so that's odd. I kind of want to start townreading Andre but I can't quite explain why.
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Post Post #3892 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:12 am

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Oh right the thing I didn't respond to: masons wanted Anya dead and the PT cop claim gave credence to the thought that scum had motivation to fake claim neighbor.
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Post Post #3893 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:17 am

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And Gamma not dying could mean like anything. If scum were willing to risk getting checked cause of payout, or if the scum just wasn't in that pool at all. If not in the pool then that suggests the Chaos/Kyo team.

I think mech play is trying to hit scum here because if we do we can get an extra check out of gamma. If 3 scum then we only have one miselim left though.
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Post Post #3894 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:23 am

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In post 3849, ChaosOmega wrote:
In post 3839, VFP wrote:I feel like Gamma is trying to add doubt and confusion to the mix her with T3 for the sake of doing it.
Agreed.
Maybe it’s the fact I myself am confused by T3’s uninspired play?
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Post Post #3895 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:25 am

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In post 3863, Dwlee99 wrote:UNVOTE:
Well she fell for it enough to act like it was real and say she was town
Or she knew to fake it
I feel like she’d be experienced enough to not be easily baited
Could it be real, maybe, but I don’t think it should be trusted immediately
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Post Post #3896 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:26 am

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In post 3870, VFP wrote:It also shows that Titus was checking the thread enough to say town on the "hammer" but not enough to do anything else.
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Post Post #3897 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:49 am

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In post 3838, T3 wrote:Fair. I actually just finished a game as traitor so if you want you can look at that game and se how I treat other players there vs. here.
Hint: he blows his team up in the first post and is very active by T3 standards, because he's constantly crumbing lmao
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Post Post #3898 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:52 am

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So I started reading the traitor game T3 mentioned and two things already stick out as post-hoc signs of being partnered with the people he was scum with, that being a very apparent traitor crumb in post 1, and a flip from SRing to TRing tris (his scum buddy) off of “meta”, which I’m assuming forced in a thorHead manner
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Post Post #3899 (ISO) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:57 am

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In post 90, T3 wrote:Nah dwelee is town.
In post 91, T3 wrote:Titus and nero are also town.
In post 135, T3 wrote:osuka is town.
In post 136, T3 wrote:peta I have no idea about.
Hm
If T3 learned from last time, this would potentially be how he crumbs this time? How long was FIA WRC in irl days?
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