MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Ircher]

Day 4 begins:

The chime sounds once more signaling that is now 2:00 PM. As it is sounding, a dark shadow descends upon the room. It leaves as quickly as it enters, but the room feels ever so slightly different. Each of you looks cautiously around the room, and eventually, your eyes rest upon Jake the Wolfie.

He is busy drawing lines on a sheet of paper. As he finishes each one, he looks at it carefully before shaking his head and beginning the next one. At last, he declares, "No, it's impossible!" and he faints. His body shatters into millions of tiny pieces before disappearing completely. An index card is left in his place. One of you picks it up and reads it.

Jake the Wolfie,

Tangent Lines

(effective role: Vanilla Councillor of Calculasia), collapsed from a lack of rigor night 3.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, Jake the Wolfie, to Mini Theme {#}: Battle of Calculasia!
You are a

Tangent Line

!

Informally, a tangent line to a curve is a line that "touches" but does not cross the curve at a point.* The tangent line problem of finding the tangent line to a curve at a given point is one of the motivating problems for developing the theory of differential calculus.

Abilities:

1. You possess no special abilities other than your vote and your voice.
2. Effectively, you are a

Vanilla

.
3. You win when all threats to the Council of Calculasia are eliminated and at least one Councillor is still alive.

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment, flavor name, effective role, and any partners you may have.

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #1

Not Voting (7): Almost50, Galron, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Xlos, MathBlade, WhemeStar

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-15 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Thursday, July 22, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-22 21:45:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.
3: The moderator will be V/LA in late July. Tentative dates are July 25 to July 28.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Almost50

Work and Critical Role tonight will post as I can.

[WhemeStar]

Hey I knew that was a bad vote

[Titus]

HURT: WhemeStar
VOTE: A50

Edit: Apparently hurt tags count as votes to Thesp's counter. I have swapped the two lines in this post as a result.
~Ircher

[WhemeStar]

What does that mean l

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey Mathblade

You said I lied about being one-shot. I am still alive. So to me you are confirmed town.

[DrippingGoofball]

What does that mean l

You've been dayvigged.

[DrippingGoofball]

Xlos is also conftown.

[MathBlade]

So then scum to you is in Titus/A50/Wheme/Galron right? (I am still paranoid sorry)

Which do you think is most likely and how did your reads change after Toog died?

Why are you not voting A50 like discussed yesterday?

[MathBlade]

I think I have a really weird idea but it’s kind of moonlogicky.

I just need to clarify one thing: DGB are you saying I am town because of my paranoia?
Or are you saying I am town because I caught you in a lie when you said you were one shot so you checked me and Xlos using cop checks?

This distinction is really important.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50
HURT: WhemeStar

Titus?? Are you SCUM?? OMG! If so.. WELL PLAYED.

[Jake The Wolfie]

[DrippingGoofball]

So then scum to you is in Titus/A50/Wheme/Galron right? (I am still paranoid sorry)

Which do you think is most likely and how did your reads change after Toog died?

Why are you not voting A50 like discussed yesterday?

That's correct.

I need to look at the game again before I can answer this question.

I intend to vote for A50 but that doesn't mean I want to ride the bullet train.

[DrippingGoofball]

This distinction is really important.

I did not check

you.

I just assumed that you were clever enough to put two and two together, and would have killed me last night if you were scum.

[WhemeStar]

Okay if I’m day vig my solve is prob A50/Galron

[Titus]

What does that mean l

It means I'd be voting you if I hadn't promised my vote on A50.

[Titus]

This distinction is really important.

I did not check

you.

I just assumed that you were clever enough to put two and two together, and would have killed me last night if you were scum.

So you're saying you have another result then and it's on Xlos?

[MathBlade]

This distinction is really important.

I did not check

you.

I just assumed that you were clever enough to put two and two together, and would have killed me last night if you were scum.

Okay so here me out.

And this maybe crazy but let’s assume you checked X and Y and both are town. Since you’re not screaming Z is scum I am relatively confident you have 2 clears.

If you have less than 2 clears then this does not apply.

If you have two clears then because you have said you have additional shots and I can’t exactly help you anymore with paranoia then you need to out them and we need to elim you. This is only if you have two clears.

The reason being is that if you have 2 and exactly two clears then scum cannot shoot you they have to leave you in paranoia land.

Let’s assume for a moment we miselim someone today. Then scum shoot you.
Then going into elo scum have two clears vs two scum and one regular Townie.
Smart scum (like a Titus or A50) will have already told their partner not to shoot you in that case and try to work off my paranoia (which I still have). Therefore we actually aren’t working off clears and a good wordsmith can make you look like scum. We would be relying on you and wordsmith battle and no scum fuckery to make someone look clear who isn’t etc.

In contrast let’s look at what happens if you are town with two clears and are miselimmed. Then scum have two conf townies they have to kill between X and Y. Whichever they leave alive tells us something. Then scum cannot control elo it’s in the hands of conf town.

This only works if you have two clears though. If you have one or no clears left this is ridiculously bad and then you’re probably dead tonight and we should not elim you and back to probable scum A50.

Titus is that moonlogic that’s good or I should ignore random ideas of plans while working?

Regardless DGB should announce his check(s) that he has done now that he has claimed additional shots. We can then analyze it and it’s checks accordingly too which will help remove paranoia.

[Titus]

I don't think your analysis is wrong (reservations that I will check after date night), but I struggle to believe your premise.

It requires

1) DGB is a town full cop with every other town role being gated.
2) A scum full roleblocker sitting around with zilch likely town actionable claims doesn't block the cop in case it lied.
2b) Scum have a strongman but gambled on DGB not lying despite every other claim having at least two shots. It follows DGB would as well.

What's logically likely is that DGB is either a 2 shot cop or an odd night cop. That would give it one clear extra instead of two.

[MathBlade]

I don't think your analysis is wrong (reservations that I will check after date night), but I struggle to believe your premise.

It requires

1) DGB is a town full cop with every other town role being gated.
2) A scum full roleblocker sitting around with zilch likely town actionable claims doesn't block the cop in case it lied.
2b) Scum have a strongman but gambled on DGB not lying despite every other claim having at least two shots. It follows DGB would as well.

What's logically likely is that DGB is either a 2 shot cop or an odd night cop. That would give it one clear extra instead of two.

….There are sometimes when you should examine the premise and sometimes when you shouldn’t. If you’re town you completely missed what I was doing.

DGB if scum and said two clears would have outed itself. It woulda been a great reaction test.

I kinda find it unlikely it even had another shot tbh.

It should out clears if any regardless.

[MathBlade]

The fact DGB didn’t die and Jake did is odd as fuck. I am trying to figure out if it is scum killing threats or if scum killed Jake for a reason.

*sigh*

That feeling when you can’t pull a Titus correctly.

[MathBlade]

You are getting so stinking close to why I think scum in DGB/A50/Wheme Titus if you’re town.

So stinking close.

I have to quit hyper posting now but gah.

[DrippingGoofball]

Is it

odd

of me to anticipate the derivation of variable pleasure from the present company?

[Titus]

….There are sometimes when you should examine the premise and sometimes when you shouldn’t. If you’re town you completely missed what I was doing.

I thought you explicitly asked me to look at your premise.

#confused