Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[Uncle Shelby]

...even while walking with the laptop. What can't he do?!?!

[Vecna]

Anyways, I think we should try to kill the werewolves. Feel free to bus me early because I'll bus you all. The miller claim is an inside joke but I can always say it's serious later. I might rolecop unwnd because of the soft?

I don't think T3 slipped here, I think that this was a poorly thought out form of humor. With that being said, I don't think this is towny, nor should we allow people to claim malefactor.

VOTE: T3

Everyone above me is town!

i hardclaim malefactor actually

This is also a particularly poor post. One that we would be pressuring more if it weren't for T3 being a bigger target.

So, like, at least in the Newbie queue, it's harder to slip because the scum PT is in an obvious soft purple color instead of the main thread's black background. Is it the same for grown-up Mafia, or is that just how PTs work?

I'm getting a bad feeling from this post. It seems to be trying to be self-clearing and this doesn't fit the personality that they showed with their first few posts. I'd go as far to say that this post is more likely to come from non-town than from actual town.

Kazyan what's your mafia experience like?

Mostly amogus, followed by:

Game 1: Roll 3-shot Vigilante. Misuse the power the whole game; lose.
Game 2: VT. Get killed on night 1 after defending scum; rest of the town is badass and nails the two scum back-to-back.
Game 3: Mafia Goon. Get super lucky by shooting the only PR on day 1 and then having another townie fakeclaim on Day 2. Win.
Game 4: VT in Dogs. Vs Cats multiball. Drop out partway through the game after hammering a Miller. Generally fail to and get widely scumread, except for side-eyeing Pooky (who was scum) the whole time, which goes nowhere.
Game 5: You're looking at it.

You've been in a dead pt before. You should know what color private pts are. Also doesn't make sense that you'd think they would be a different color outside of the newbie queue.

Reads so far:

[Morph the Cat]
[Null]
[petapan]
[Kazyan, T3]

boring takes though. not a fan

[morph the cat]

Doesn't it bother you to be townread so easily? I've seen you get hives for it before. We've yet to even see 20% of Cabd power (Ffery too)...

Is this to us?

It bothers me a little to be townread easily, but I also feel like green is oozing out of my fingers all over the keyboard. But, real life is pretty unsettling right now and that may also be oozing onto the keyboard.

The strange thing is that people who should be decent at reading us and somewhat confident they can read us (specifically you and titus) are casting a lot of shade our way. The townreads are coming from players who dont know me well (and I assume don't know Cabd either) or who are alts.

[Dannflor]

[unwnd]
[lukewarm, echo, kazyan, celestial?]
[morph the cat, resistance]
[manatee, uncle shelby]
[..., ...]

this is about where I'm at at the moment

I have to go be productive for a while, be back this evening if I'm not dead

Not a terrible list but remarkably safe. Yes I am going to scrutinize you a bit harder given what T3 did. Why is Morph so high up? Shouldn't they be a bit more lower relative to your own innocence? If I rep into a slot and I was just previously shitcanned I'd be wondering who were being opportunistic in my previous life's folly

morph is in the mixed / I don't have a read on them yet but I feel like I should category - I went into this in an earlier post

I need to see more out of them beyond complaining about my slot

[Vecna]

If you guys somehow talk yourself into eliminating me instead of Dann, town just deserves to lose; idk what to say

Why are you so fearful of being eliminated with like one vote and a FoS (from my other head) on you? Why the AtE?

~Titus

Because I'm in disbelief that Dann is on the verge of getting away with this and how the obligatory Day 1 argument about me is happening again

he is not on the verge of getting away with it

this is town tho

petapan also protecting the newby. good vibes.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Kazyan

[Uncle Shelby]

literally, i already know crazy shit is gonna happen and there's way too much power and we're gonna end up dying early for shit reasons.

As in, eliminated?

[Vecna]

I want to wait on Dannflor to be done catching up before engaging him. He obviously hasn't seen why I am defending T3.

T3's play is odd here but that's just T3.

~Titus

So why wouldnt he be odd as mafia as well?

how is it 100% town?

T3 is odd in a different way as scum. He's less jovial and attempts less to be funny. That's the best way I know how to explain.

~Titus

But are you really an expert of reading people in that manner?

Youre more about the discernable. Facts, observations.

Why make a 100% assertion based on early game behavior?

[Dannflor]

If you guys somehow talk yourself into eliminating me instead of Dann, town just deserves to lose; idk what to say

Why are you so fearful of being eliminated with like one vote and a FoS (from my other head) on you? Why the AtE?

~Titus

Because I'm in disbelief that Dann is on the verge of getting away with this and how the obligatory Day 1 argument about me is happening again

what exactly am I getting away with

is there any hypothetical world where I am town to you

FWIW

I am operating strongly on not only what T3 did but also what Cabd said about modifiers and this setup deviating from NRG bullshit. I see no reason for Ceph to add Loyal Babysitter given it's the same dredge that's clogged up the queue for months now and has left normal games in a horrid state. It's going to take a lot, and I mean

a lot

for me to switch this read around. The problem is however is that Cabd's observation is nice, but it's not charming. That's yet to happen

I'm not a loyal babysitter

[Vecna]

Kazyan's AtE is particularly loathsome but most likely town

lol, I love this

[Uncle Shelby]

Dannflor should have full claimed on replace in, imo.

[unwnd]

Doesn't it bother you to be townread so easily? I've seen you get hives for it before. We've yet to even see 20% of Cabd power (Ffery too)...

Is this to us?

It bothers me a little to be townread easily, but I also feel like green is oozing out of my fingers all over the keyboard. But, real life is pretty unsettling right now and that may also be oozing onto the keyboard.

The strange thing is that people who should be decent at reading us and somewhat confident they can read us (specifically you and titus) are casting a lot of shade our way. The townreads are coming from players who dont know me well (and I assume don't know Cabd either) or who are alts.

Yeah that was to you

I wouldn't say I want to shade your slot, more I want people to actually observe it. Then I want to see what you do with said observations. It's not going to be a great game if you are given the keys so early on for a negative level lim on T3 (despite Dann's efforts). I think the reads coming from those people are lazy but surprisingly not very naive.

[Dannflor]

this is also quite performative though, right after making statements about other people (kazyan) performting too much?

I'm a performative player

and I never said being performative was scummy

[morph the cat]

Doesn't it bother you to be townread so easily? I've seen you get hives for it before. We've yet to even see 20% of Cabd power (Ffery too)...

Is this to us?

It bothers me a little to be townread easily, but I also feel like green is oozing out of my fingers all over the keyboard. But, real life is pretty unsettling right now and that may also be oozing onto the keyboard.

The strange thing is that people who should be decent at reading us and somewhat confident they can read us (specifically you and titus) are casting a lot of shade our way. The townreads are coming from players who dont know me well (and I assume don't know Cabd either) or who are alts.

Yeah that was to you

I wouldn't say I want to shade your slot, more I want people to actually observe it. Then I want to see what you do with said observations. It's not going to be a great game if you are given the keys so early on for a negative level lim on T3 (despite Dann's efforts). I think the reads coming from those people are lazy but surprisingly not very naive.

What does 20% power mean here?

[Vecna]

The more I see morph in top townreads the more their equity actually rises

equity in what direction? You feel they charm their way into more pants as scum?

[morph the cat]

if you are given the keys so early on

Beg to differ, I definitely don't let ultimate cosmic power go to my head or anything.
If we make it to day two you probably get surgery drugs recovery cabd again.

[Kakeguri Addicts]

I did in fact receive a town role pm

[gif]

Cool, fullclaim then.

I'm a townie

This is not a good look for you. Best thing you can do if you're town is to immediately role claim to clear things up.

So that's what I think you'd be doing if you drew town. And I took T3's last claim as a very serious claim and not as a joke.

Don’t make me vote you ...

Are you threatening the god of THUNDER

i mean, outside of all that your reaction is as boring as bright clear skies so how about we shake you up some

-zeus

It's hard for me to reply at work so I left this until I was home but honestly a slip is... boring to me? Like, there's two options:

Scum!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to slip somehow despite it being a feat.
Town!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to bungle up that badly to the point that he apparently left? (I haven't read up but I saw this post before I closed my phone).

It's not very dynamic play for me really so like, beyond the initial funny moment of "haha scumslip xd" it's kind of like... oh well. I don't have a lot more to say to it beyond voting it because it's a mess that he made we have to deal with.

I think what has gone on so far in thread goes beyond "t3 slipped in 83" which is what you are reducing the argument to here. I don't like how you are seemingly failing to understand why T3 looks bad and having a complicated argument against that. As I mentioned, I also don't think 83 was a slip.

I find it somewhat townie that Dann immediately went to picking apart the slot that was town reading him

I disagree that Dannflor's reaction has been townie.

for what absolutely little it's worth I also read the loyal babysitter as a joke right before I replaced in

That was a very serious looking claim and I'm not willing to let you walk it back. It wouldn't be right to be able to change the die roll after you've seen the results, would it?

Kazyan, did you really write #120 without thinking once "people will pick up on the fact that I'm implying I don't have a PT this game"

or are ya being a little performative here

you can be honest with me

You're not being honest with me, so idk why I should

I knew people would get the implication, though. I was indeed confused about how your predecessor scum-slipped, as well.

What was the point of your initial post, then? Are you claiming you understood how private topics worked but pretended otherwise?

Don’t make me vote you ...

Are you threatening the god of THUNDER

i mean, outside of all that your reaction is as boring as bright clear skies so how about we shake you up some

-zeus

It's hard for me to reply at work so I left this until I was home but honestly a slip is... boring to me? Like, there's two options:

Scum!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to slip somehow despite it being a feat.
Town!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to bungle up that badly to the point that he apparently left? (I haven't read up but I saw this post before I closed my phone).

It's not very dynamic play for me really so like, beyond the initial funny moment of "haha scumslip xd" it's kind of like... oh well. I don't have a lot more to say to it beyond voting it because it's a mess that he made we have to deal with.

what about option 3:
wolf t3 didn't slip but made a really bad joke and then didn't know how to handle the negative press he recieved for his statement

also the ragequit looks like it's bc he's annoyed his fakeclaim was seen through for reasons outside of his control

Thanks for also calling out post 292

I think any good scum player would approach the thread the way Dann did tbh I don't see It as alignment indicative

Correct. I happen to think if he was town, he would have full claimed immediately. I don't find their play of focusing on other people to be towny at all, merely trying to replicate a town game and have a body of work to show off so they can say they didn't do nothing.

[unwnd]
[lukewarm, echo, kazyan, celestial?]
[morph the cat, resistance]
[manatee, uncle shelby]
[..., ...]

this is about where I'm at at the moment

I have to go be productive for a while, be back this evening if I'm not dead

I still think you're scum, but this post makes me doubt myself, because making a readslist is a very non-scummy thing to do right now. Scum would be in full-tilt damage control mode.

It's multiball. Also, their reads are nonsense.
Damage control mode for him is trying to avoid being the elimination.

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

I also agree with this.

i kinda just wanna trust dannflor with my life and never look back

he's so convincing and his reasoning is so townie........ but this is multiple wolf factions so that could all be genuine

This post is crazy to me, though.

Don’t make me vote you ...

Are you threatening the god of THUNDER

i mean, outside of all that your reaction is as boring as bright clear skies so how about we shake you up some

-zeus

It's hard for me to reply at work so I left this until I was home but honestly a slip is... boring to me? Like, there's two options:

Scum!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to slip somehow despite it being a feat.
Town!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to bungle up that badly to the point that he apparently left? (I haven't read up but I saw this post before I closed my phone).

It's not very dynamic play for me really so like, beyond the initial funny moment of "haha scumslip xd" it's kind of like... oh well. I don't have a lot more to say to it beyond voting it because it's a mess that he made we have to deal with.

what about option 3:
wolf t3 didn't slip but made a really bad joke and then didn't know how to handle the negative press he recieved for his statement

also the ragequit looks like it's bc he's annoyed his fakeclaim was seen through for reasons outside of his control

Hyup.

i should go see the "Mod Influence" posts again. action replays are often better than the live, you can watch them in slow motion.

-Bada BOOM. Hades.

I dislike this post. I'm noting this because Morph previously had negative things to say about Celestial Powerhouse, but I haven't had an opinion until now.

[Uncle Shelby]

I'm not a fan of kdowns, and everyone ignored the miller claim? Despite there being some talk about D1 millers earlier.

[Taco Hemingway]

vecna is also town

VOTE: Manatee

[Dannflor]

@uncle shelby I have full claimed

re: Kazyan

I would not be so quick to write off his AtE (however mild) as towny. I think #120 showcases that Kazyan is fairly intelligently concerned about his image (whether town or scum) and how people are reading him. I don't think his jump to "oh no dann is going to get away with it" is necessarily a fully genuine reaction. and based off my (albeit sample size of 1) experience with him, he's a lot more strategically minded than I think his posts this game let on

I don't think his reaction extreme reaction compared to the fact that I'm actually gaining votes?? is at all genuine and is instead designed to be towny

[Taco Hemingway]

haha peta rolled scum

[Uncle Shelby]

I regret not playing this so far like someone who doesn't want to die N1. Here's hoping I have a trash read or two

edit: Can you link the claim?

[Dannflor]

no guys I'm literally a vanilla townie I have i not made that clear to everyone by now

[Taco Hemingway]

@pooky u are also a reliable peta reader, do u agree with me here?

[Dannflor]

Spoiler:

I did in fact receive a town role pm

Cool, fullclaim then.

I'm a townie

it's very funny to walk into this position and see just "townie" in the role pm I open up - I was honestly expecting literally anything else

I wonder if T3 just got bored

oh my lord T3 what on earth

This kinda reads like someone who didn't know what they were walking into, which is hard to believe if the game waa reas before rapping in


ZEUS FOUND A MENTAL DISCREPANCY

this was specifically my response to reading the "townie" role pm if that helps

which was about the last thing I expected to read