Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-14

The Club Sandwich is thought to have originated at a gambling club, Morrissey’s Club House, in Saratoga, New York. What is it about sandwiches and gambling, anyway? The first club sandwich recipe was published in the

Good Housekeeping Everyday Cook Book

, by Isabel Gordon Curtis in 1903. The recipe reads: Toast a slice of bread evenly and lightly butter it. On one half put, first, a thin slice of bacon which has been broiled till dry and tender, next a slice of the white meat of either turkey or chicken. Over one half of this place a circle cut from a ripe tomato and over the other half a tender leaf of lettuce. Cover these with a generous layer of mayonnaise, and complete this delicious “whole meal” sandwich with the remaining piece of toast. The double decker club we know and love was a later innovation. Potato chips also originated at this club!

VFP

(3): Looker, T3, HockeyFan

T3

(2): VFP, JamesTheNames

Looker

(1): GrandpaMo

Lady Lambdadelta

(1): Clasko

Not Voting

(2): cowsloveSushirolls, Lady Lambdadelta

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Revised Deadline: July 17, Midnight US Eastern Time (one day added)

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-16 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

fferyllt-Cabd combined ISO for vote counts
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[cowsloveSushirolls]

hockey, huuuuuuuuuh

that actually can't be your conclusion from this

how is instigating a tunnel d1 scum

because who tunnels of 80% of d1 on 1 player smh

uhhhhhhhhh jeteon? is this a trick question :^)

VFP has literally done nothing except make an unexplained and bad meta case against me.

you haven't either, which is explicitly why i haven't voted yet

[JamesTheNames]

hockey, huuuuuuuuuh

that actually can't be your conclusion from this

how is instigating a tunnel d1 scum

because who tunnels of 80% of d1 on 1 player smh

I like to. I also think its a good idea.

[T3]

hockey, huuuuuuuuuh

that actually can't be your conclusion from this

how is instigating a tunnel d1 scum

because who tunnels of 80% of d1 on 1 player smh

uhhhhhhhhh jeteon? is this a trick question :^)

VFP has literally done nothing except make an unexplained and bad meta case against me.

you haven't either, which is explicitly why i haven't voted yet

Oh hockey is jeteon? I'm the noah guy from the politics server.

[VFP]

VFP has literally done nothing except make an unexplained and bad meta case against me.

Name a game I have ever made a bad meta case against you!

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Oh hockey is jeteon? I'm the noah guy from the politics server.

no, jeteon is jeteon and hockeyfan is hockeyfan

i just mentioned jet's name because they're the person that comes to mind when talking about tunneling not being explicitly a scum thing

[cowsloveSushirolls]

VFP, real talk
i need more content like this

T3 is just trying to survive here rather than scum hunt.
Thats not what town T3 does.

but the majority of the content is this

Well I'm not scum.

VOTE: T3
I will go here though.

can i get some posts that ping you? even if it's just gut

Everything in his ISO

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Your scum side is showing, T3!

James/VFP scumteam? i dig it

Buldge / T3 scum team?
I dig it.

[VFP]

VFP, real talk
i need more content like this

You get content from me day 2 onwards!

[HockeyFan]

hockey, huuuuuuuuuh

that actually can't be your conclusion from this

how is instigating a tunnel d1 scum

because who tunnels of 80% of d1 on 1 player smh

uhhhhhhhhh jeteon? is this a trick question :^)

cows, this is the third time, u have attempted to discredit my push on VFP becasue of "wHy wOuLd sCuM dO tHis/how is that scum". I think cows flips red if VFP is red

VFP has literally done nothing except make an unexplained and bad meta case against me.

you haven't either, which is explicitly why i haven't voted yet

VFP, real talk
i need more content like this

T3 is just trying to survive here rather than scum hunt.
Thats not what town T3 does.

but the majority of the content is this

Well I'm not scum.

VOTE: T3
I will go here though.

can i get some posts that ping you? even if it's just gut

Everything in his ISO

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Your scum side is showing, T3!

James/VFP scumteam? i dig it

Buldge / T3 scum team?
I dig it.

Stop trying to bus VFP

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Stop trying to bus VFP

your push sux + VFP's push sux but i think T3 is scum + you're projecting

[HockeyFan]

Stop trying to bus VFP

your push sux + VFP's push sux but i think T3 is scum + you're projecting

having a bad push > having no push fite me.

Also if u think T3 is scum, push it more

[JamesTheNames]

Can we get a list of the people who want to hammer scum T3 or town VFP?

I want to hammer T3.

[HockeyFan]

Can we get a list of the people who want to hammer scum T3 or town VFP?

I want to hammer T3.

I think u made a typo, should be

scum

VFP

[cowsloveSushirolls]

hockey there's something that i don't know and you do and i keep seeing reasoning like VFP is tunnelling someone for most of the game, or VFP didn't no lim D1, so i'm just gonna assume that you just want a policy at this point

i think T3 having more scum equity is very apparent

[HockeyFan]

hockey there's something that i don't know and you do and i keep seeing reasoning like VFP is tunnelling someone for most of the game, or VFP didn't no lim D1, so i'm just gonna assume that you just want a policy at this point

i think T3 having more scum equity is very apparent

FTR, at 1 point in a time, I didnt want to condemm any of these but since we're so close to deadline, I think we just condemm in those 2. I am also down to pivot to T3 if I have to

[GrandpaMo]

is it scummy for me to say that like i really dont want to try anymore day 1 lol

like i lost all motivation after that. am i the only one that feels this way?

like i just want to try, but im kept up with life then you have this slow game wiht multiple replacements and now i just have confbias that sheeping scum and i have not read the game litearlly after strangematter left . so if i ignored anyones questions this is why.

you also have the total right to scumread me. hope scum kills me for policy, i wilkl most def try on day 2 and reread the whole entire game again if im alive tho.

so yea give me till like day 2 if possible because i just dont feel the motivation to anymore this day especially with my baised reads.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

hockey there's something that i don't know and you do and i keep seeing reasoning like VFP is tunnelling someone for most of the game, or VFP didn't no lim D1, so i'm just gonna assume that you just want a policy at this point

i think T3 having more scum equity is very apparent

FTR, at 1 point in a time, I didnt want to condemm any of these but since we're so close to deadline, I think we just condemm in those 2. I am also down to pivot to T3 if I have to

singlehandedly the best pair to condemn from

[HockeyFan]

hockey there's something that i don't know and you do and i keep seeing reasoning like VFP is tunnelling someone for most of the game, or VFP didn't no lim D1, so i'm just gonna assume that you just want a policy at this point

i think T3 having more scum equity is very apparent

FTR, at 1 point in a time, I didnt want to condemm any of these but since we're so close to deadline, I think we just condemm in those 2. I am also down to pivot to T3 if I have to

singlehandedly the best pair to condemn from

sooooo which one are you gonna bus?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

sooooo which one are you gonna bus?

T3 of course

[VFP]

Can you lot just vote? No lim only benefits scum here.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i've sorta been ignoring clasko so i apologize, here's a large post responding to their mass ISO which also functions as additional thoughts on everyone here

JamestheNames - I like them as town rn. I'm taking the claim at face value. They've had some fluff posts but I particularly like James' #304 - no nonsense, clear thought process.

I thought the timing of the claim didn't seem like it had a scum motive - near RVS stage, I imagine scum want to continue it for as long as possible to prevent the game opening up as quickly as it could.

Him pushing people to vote also seems pro-town as (surface level reasoning incoming) how else are we supposed to eject scum?

a scum motive could possibly be to get townread as quickly as possible using theatrics, like hockey and lambda said
to be honest, i have a few reasons to not believe that. if it's beneficial to town i'll post it but i'm content with just saying "james town"

GrandpaMo - In my notes, I thought their #305 on HockeyFan felt unnatural - possibly from scum. They know Hockey misinterpreted what TSTBS meant, yet this post looks like an unnatural overreaction, and coming from the guy who originally wanted to drop the discussion wrt James' #40 (see post #130), the whole interaction just gave me scum vibes, which conflicts with what I think about their pro-town actions in pushing people with questions and pressuring the inactive slots. Could Hockey have baited Grandpa with their misinterpretation? Maybe, but I still feel the response was unnatural. I want to have more time to think on Grandpa overall.

overreaction is the essence of grandpa's posts. i think if i were to put all of grandpa's actions on a scale this would lean towards null-town. i also don't believe that hockey/grandpa is a pair because the talk over voting pools seem genuine and therefore not partnery

VFP - So we have to take a gamble with VFP because he's acting so differently he might be scum and hasn't proven himself that much as town this game... Do I give thim botd due to them being ill/waiting for slots to speak? If someone were to gun-to-head me for an answer, he doesn't look like scum protecting himself/a teammate???

that's the impression i got from everybody pushing VFP, and i found it kinda aaaaaaaaaaa after a while

T3 - I forget who said #203 was good from them (fairly sure someone said it) but I thought part of them unvoting James due to "I put a lot of stock in meta, you don't care about it" when James explicitly stated he hated using meta was weak reasoning for the unvote. Uh, what else... they've reduced their pool of eliminations without giving reasonings, unless prompted, which we all expect from T3 at this point. TR'ing most of the cast and scumhunting less differs from the last two games I was in with them at least, where they were scum. I'm on the fence.

i remember talking about that unvote, i think i'm going to backtrack given recent developments. i will summarize them below:
james: am villager
T3: WTF. you're scum. you're acting unlike your town game
james: hehe you seem to scumread me as scum
T3: oh wait sorry, seems like you change your meta a lot
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lambda: hey last newbie game i played i did extremely well. so far, this person and that person are tonally scummy
T3: WTF, you're scum. you're acting controlling like your scum game
lambda: i change my meta a lot but what's constant is my willingness to lead
T3: im going to read you entirely using meta then
i think that T3 putting in the effort to do this is town+ but the above interactions when put together just do not make sense

Looker - Nothing to add about them currently as they have yet to speak, but I thought StrangeMatter could have done better things with their time instead of asking more questions when the game needed answers - just felt like deflection. I don't take much stock on Rocky's tonal posts (the slot Strange replaced into) compared to in-game actions, and more needed to come from them to justify any sort of read IMO.

if you think there's enough information to give an updated read on looker now, making one would be beneficial
looker is def someone that you ask for more contributions. i think that their outlook on the game is pretty interesting and reads out if it came from a town POV, so i'm comfortable with leaning them as town already. this is of course taking into account their predecessors. so i'll disagree with this, i think we value the tone of posts slightly differently

The Bulge - Well, that slot just replaced out, but I'll talk about their previous posts - I think Hockey was the one who said they had good tonal posts earlier, which I agreed with (specifically, showing resistance to James' claim - in a 'trying-to-see-the-intent-behind-it' sort of way), but they haven't done enough with their vote or looked anywhere outside of VFP/James. The shift from them townreading Strange's slot due to Rocky's tone, to later admitting the slot could be scum, doesn't sit well with me considering the slot should have been null to begin with (maybe I'm being overly harsh here).

nobody knows what bulge thinks anymore because they replaced, but i interpreted it as a sort of reaction test for me to react to because the conclusion they made from a reread that I asked for was a

complete

180
lambda has good intentions for the game but it should be a given that they should be looked at the most critically

cowsloveSushirolls - Looking back at their ISO, (which was a hard read - it's a LOT) they've done good things for the game. I'm reading their interactions with Hockey as light banter and natural, and the AtE on waiting for replacements slots to speak as genuine. They pushed James where he didn't need to be pushed (IMO) which gives me town vibes. I took note that they have made great strides to interact with most of the players in the thread bar my slot. I do feel like they're trying to bait reactions and ask important questions to get a better picture of the game rather than scum blending in, so I'm somewhat confident calling them town for now - not as much as James, mind you (watch them be the team lmao).

someone noticed my deliberate interaction with nearly everybody here. i'm very happy

HockeyFan - His slot is okay. I think his interactions come off natural enough (similarly to cows' interaction with him). I humoured the idea he might have scum equity with Grandpa (as scum v scum) in my notes since I feel Grandpa's sudden push on him in post 305 would be safe to do since Hockey's slot was townread (to varying degrees) by some in the thread at that time, and scum voting a partner at that stage would present little risk but look good to town (but that's a WIFOM-y rabbit hole I'm not currently prepared to go down). He's acting like a more casual cows, perhaps because they've played together before. He's advancing his reads and the slot seems consistent from what i've read.

man, i don't even wanna comment on hockeyfan
townlean tho

[cowsloveSushirolls]

VOTE: T3

get claims going, smile

[VFP]

LLD, Clarke, and Grampa... your votes / not votes are just a waste.

LLD is probably town here from being passive. The others not so much.
A town T3 would probably make James scum.

Clarkso isn't looking good either.

I'm pretty happy with Cow, Hocker, and Looker though.

Grampa is meh I guess?

[JamesTheNames]

LLD, Clarke, and Grampa... your votes / not votes are just a waste.

LLD is probably town here from being passive. The others not so much.

A town T3 would probably make James scum.

Clarkso isn't looking good either.

I'm pretty happy with Cow, Hocker, and Looker though.

Grampa is meh I guess?

Bold claim, would it not look worse for you than it would for me?

[VFP]

I'm not talking about how it looks though.