MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[MathBlade]

….There are sometimes when you should examine the premise and sometimes when you shouldn’t. If you’re town you completely missed what I was doing.

I thought you explicitly asked me to look at your premise.

#confused

I asked you to look at the conclusion not the premise.

Okay so is Xlos your clear then?

[Titus]

I asked you to look at the conclusion not the premise.

#facepalm

How do I look at the conclusion without looking at the premise? If that's the goal next time, please say something like if you assume my moonlogic is true, does my conclusion makes sense? Maybe that'll work.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB if scum and said two clears would have outed itself. It woulda been a great reaction test.

What are you on about? I said I didn't check you.

You're making me feel murderous.

[Titus]

The fact DGB didn’t die and Jake did is odd as fuck. I am trying to figure out if it is scum killing threats or if scum killed Jake for a reason.

*sigh*

That feeling when you can’t pull a Titus correctly.

I agree with this though not so much DGB specifically but anyone in the towncore.

[DrippingGoofball]

The fact DGB didn’t die

Maybe because all our posts are making arguments to yeet me? Like seriously all of them.

[MathBlade]

DGB if scum and said two clears would have outed itself. It woulda been a great reaction test.

What are you on about? I said I didn't check you.

You're making me feel murderous.

I was reaction testing you.

You said you didn’t check me but you could have been setting up a fake cop check gambit.

A good fake claim for scum has to be preplanned and take into account balance setup.

Hell you could even be a scum odd night cop to get around the rolecop. A de facto godfather.

If I make you feel murderous for making you stick to a claim then I am doing my job right as town because this should be out before elo.

Pedit:Derp will do better next time Titus

[MathBlade]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

[Titus]

Hell you could even be a scum odd night cop to get around the rolecop. A de facto godfather.

This is the absurdity that is town!Mathblade

[Titus]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

I want to know this too.

[DrippingGoofball]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

How is it not obvious??? Xlos.

[Titus]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

How is it not obvious??? Xlos.

I'm stubborn and I want hard confirms.

Now we know Xlos can only be scum if DGB is scum and thus should never be limmed before DGB.

[MathBlade]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

How is it not obvious??? Xlos.

Why Xlos over Titus or Jake? Your reads were proven bad with Toog flipping town. Talk about that please.

Pedit: unless Xlos godfather but I kinda don’t want to go down that rabbit hole atm I don’t think.

[Titus]

The only way DGB gets another result is if it survives to 3 player lylo. I'm not inclined to eliminate it for that reason. It's forced to put itself into voting first or claiming to check the dead guy which is rather suspect. It's more likely scum will kill DGB if we eliminate scum today or tomorrow.

[Titus]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

How is it not obvious??? Xlos.

Why Xlos over Titus or Jake? Your reads were proven bad with Toog flipping town. Talk about that please.

Pedit: unless Xlos godfather but I kinda don’t want to go down that rabbit hole atm I don’t think.

Godfather is disallowed in normals.

I have my opinions on why Xlos. My choice would be A50 though but reveal it midway through the day.

[MathBlade]

The only way DGB gets another result is if it survives to 3 player lylo. I'm not inclined to eliminate it for that reason. It's forced to put itself into voting first or claiming to check the dead guy which is rather suspect. It's more likely scum will kill DGB if we eliminate scum today or tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Unvote

I am not so sure about that Titus.

The reasoning seems circular.
Assume DGB+Xlos then we never see 3P elo.
Assume DGB+someone else then we narrow our scope today, hope to hit someone else so only one scum tomorrow.

If DGB gets to 3P elo there’s a huge issue.

At minimum it should be sorted and grilled today to figure out why it checked Xlos if town.

Pedit: Titus again this is a theme not a normal. Why do you keep insisting it’s a normal?

Edit: Please unvote using the unvote tags and not vote tags.
~Ircher

[Titus]

Pedit: Titus again this is a theme not a normal. Why do you keep insisting it’s a normal?

I'm in too many games. Derp.

Anyway, I'll have to go any minute. Date night.

[MathBlade]

Pedit: Titus again this is a theme not a normal. Why do you keep insisting it’s a normal?

I'm in too many games. Derp.

Anyway, I'll have to go any minute. Date night.

Down for A50 but DGB needs to explain itself.

I have to get dinner for roomies so bbl

[DrippingGoofball]

I agonized over the decision.

In fact, the first choice I sent the mod was

MathBlade

because of the insanity that is his iso.

But then the next day I thought, if MathBlade, is scum, he knows I fakeclaimed 1-shot, figured with the even-night rolecop flipped and the word ODD in my first post, that I was an odd-night cop. And MathBlade!scum would NK me for sure.

WhemeStar

isn't making it to end game and if town, their contribution to the game isn't exactly... stellar, so why bless him with a clear in the off-chance that I'd survive the night? Nope'd that one. If scum, wasn't the most dangerous scum.

Titus

, my god, she can't possibly be scum in

every game

, I really went back and forth on this, I thought she'd be a great clear but not heavily suspected. If she were scum she'd be very skilled. I was really wishin I could target two players that was really though.

Almost50

Not making it to end game.

Galron

Would have been a decent clear but hasn't contributed a whole lot to the game, so that was a factor. I'm not really scum reading Galron.

Xlos

I liked the contributions, but was controversial enough that it would be a good check to settle it once and for all. A few hours before the game re-opened, I sent the mod a change to my choice. I hope I won't regret it.

[DrippingGoofball]

The only way DGB gets another result is if it survives to 3 player lylo. I'm not inclined to eliminate it for that reason. It's forced to put itself into voting first or claiming to check the dead guy which is rather suspect. It's more likely scum will kill DGB if we eliminate scum today or tomorrow.

Thank god I didn't pick the dead guy.

[Titus]

The only way DGB gets another result is if it survives to 3 player lylo. I'm not inclined to eliminate it for that reason. It's forced to put itself into voting first or claiming to check the dead guy which is rather suspect. It's more likely scum will kill DGB if we eliminate scum today or tomorrow.

Thank god I didn't pick the dead guy.

It wouldn't be suspect today. I would have supposed you were fake claiming town 1-shot.

[Xlos]

<s>I am a scum miller unfriendly neighbor. Every day I have to send one player a message that I am scum if the day ends on a composite page. Luckily for me, every day has ended on a prime page.</s>

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #2

Almost50 (1): Titus (1479)

Not Voting (6): Almost50, Galron, DrippingGoofball, Xlos, WhemeStar, MathBlade (1514)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-15 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Thursday, July 22, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-22 21:45:00).

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Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him

[Xlos]

All things considered I'm very happy with tonight's events. My scumteam last night was A50 + {Titus, Jake, DGB}. Now Jake is town and I'm feeling much better about DGB now that their claim isn't 1-shot cop. Plus, between the breadcrumb and the reasoning against mathblade in 1517, I think that the claim is real. Particularly

But then the next day I thought, if MathBlade, is scum, he knows I fakeclaimed 1-shot, figured with the even-night rolecop flipped and the word ODD in my first post, that I was an odd-night cop. And MathBlade!scum would NK me for sure.

This kind of content takes a fairly high amount of meditation on the fact that he is an odd night rolecop to achieve, very towny.

Also the clear on me makes me feel a lot better. Last day phase Toog said something along the lines of "you are terrible town since you're killing me and then A50", but really it's worse than that, since if A50 is scum, in all likelihood I would be next (setting up 3 miselims, a terrifically bad result). Now the worst case is a bit better. But that's the extent of my confidence on him, we shall see if I am terrible town or good town soon (probably). VOTE: Almost50

If this works out we confirm Wheme which puts us in a winning position since I think me, DGB, and Galron are already almost certainly town.

pedit: Hmm turns out you can move your vote onto people by wishing them harm (Titus is on Wheme in the votecount)

[Ircher]

That has been corrected. Thank you for your keen eye.

[Xlos]

The fact DGB didn’t die and Jake did is odd as fuck. I am trying to figure out if it is scum killing threats or if scum killed Jake for a reason.

*sigh*

That feeling when you can’t pull a Titus correctly.

TBH I thought you were going to die. It worked with all the scumteams I was imagining. I think scum killed Jake power hunting. Since Jake was very strongly against roleclaiming early on, it may have been interpreted as him having a power role. Since Jake didn't really have strong reads, the only other explanation is that scum is not suspected by towncore, and scum (Galron and Wheme? Idk) is happy to watch us multiply each other by elements that result in a product of 0, and we are doomed.

For now I'm going to believe in the first scenario. I will say, I don't think mathblade would kill Jake power hunting, given the basis of his argument yesterday ("town has too much power already!")