Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[Celestial Powerhouse]

I should probably clarify that that is not an actual id claim. That was a joke claim but if you want to believe it, go ahead lol.

-Mister Ocean

[Anya]

kill wheme who knew t3 was town straight away before Dann came in

it's bc of the exclusive magazines he has access to

[Taco Hemingway]

I should probably clarify that that is not an actual id claim. That was a joke claim but if you want to believe it, go ahead lol.

-Mister Ocean

i know nancy doesnt sign posts so yeah

[WhemeStar]

This is another large theme game where I find trust very hard to find. I think my problem stems from the fact that maybe I respect others too much. Petapan, Morph the Cat, Kakeguri, Lukewarm. You know the people I was talking about being deliberate/meaningful. I respect their aptitude but it's not clicking here. Is this the fault with me or is it just multiball/D1 jitters where you can't really produce a coherent list given that you have a lot of fucking distancing going on. I'm not ready to trust given there are two factions that could try to kill me and the last multiball game I ended up with two shots in the chest. Lucky me.

I think if I were to seperate these 4 however in terms of readability over time it'd be something like Lukewarm -> Kakeguri -> Morph -> Peta. Peta takes great pride in his scumgame and likes trying different shit out. Morph probably is flexible as well. I like their content but that doesn't equate to trust. If you're tired of hearing me throw that word around get used to it. I think the terminology Cabd enjoys using is a pass. I would maybe given Peta/Morph a pass beyond D1 but that's likely guaranteed because they are not scum that dies D1. My efforts are more focused on killing low equity wolves/mafia and then seeing how potential bigshots who are aligned with them react to it.

I think right now Whemey is scum. Gut feelings resided by his chauvinistic behavior. Whemey is not exactly the knight who leads a bunch of mercenaries into battle for a noble cause. He's more of a self-proclaimed hero who tries to rout out evil when he sees it. Yet why was he was operating differently and trying to get people to join his cause? And on who exactly? T3? The person who is ubiquitously scumread by almost everyone? That doesn't seem very noble or townie to me. It all feels like poor acting and I fault Morph a bit for saying they liked his energy. Energy is the easiest emotion to fake and I would even say his energy is excessive. We agree to disagree unless my points compel you to think otherwise. It's not a masterstroke of a read but I'm not expecting to get great hits on D1. This is why I'm OK with killing off T3/Dannflor still because T3 was playing at low equity and that is where my priorities lie.

Unwnd I think you were missing on what I was trying to do

[Ythan]

If you use mafsilver, for example, the color difference is MUCH less pronounced.

Lol mafblack #1

[morph the cat]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

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Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Does "wary" = scumread?

[Dannflor]

I should probably clarify that that is not an actual id claim. That was a joke claim but if you want to believe it, go ahead lol.

-Mister Ocean

no I should have checked first, none of you are nancy

I just got excited because I can read her decently well

[WhemeStar]

I feel he's capable of doing it. Nothing suggests to me he couldn't play a halfway decent scum. My own bias (lol) actually makes me think he did that for the towncred and maybe wouldn't even bother as town? He never seemed like a player who cared about thoroughness

See usually I wouldn't care about doing that as town.

The thing is is I thought I caught morph scum and wanted to prove that I knew t3's meta because morph claims to know it as well. So if I could have proved that this was t3's town meta then that would get others to vote morph with me

[Ythan]

since when are babysitter or Loyal new normal queue roles???

They certainly took place after the formative normal experience the old timers in this player list cite.

Just picking a random post from the string but this whole angle I don't like. But also isn't it like, unnecessary,

[Lukewarm]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

-------

Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Does "wary" = scumread?

Not quite? More like, I don't feel like I can trust any of those.

I would say that in general, I don't usually start with scum reads, I start out looking for people I feel like I can trust, and then scum reads come later - there are probably exceptions to this, but I think that this is generally closer to my norm

The frustrating thing this game, is that all of the people I have played with before are all getting a "can't trust" label from me when I look at them

Maybe the size of the game and the multiball are getting to me.

[WhemeStar]

i don't like dann's readlist

[Anya]

what's your read list

[Celestial Powerhouse]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

-------

Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Does "wary" = scumread?

Not quite? More like, I don't feel like I can trust any of those.

I would say that in general, I don't usually start with scum reads, I start out looking for people I feel like I can trust, and then scum reads come later - there are probably exceptions to this, but I think that this is generally closer to my norm

The frustrating thing this game, is that all of the people I have played with before are all getting a "can't trust" label from me when I look at them

Maybe the size of the game and the multiball are getting to me.

this reads very fake after unwnd just made a post exactly like this....

-Mister Ocean

[WhemeStar]

I don’t have 1

[WhemeStar]

What’s your read list

[WhemeStar]

Just kidding idc your town

[Lukewarm]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him here.

another thing is that I'm not a fan of one other person. this was something I was thinking for quite a while but I just forgot what their name was. I'll be back but need to put this here so I dont procrastinate and end up forgetting completely.

-Mister Ocean

The more I think about this post, the more nonsensical it is to me.

They present 2 possibilities for my position which are basically:

I am paranoid town, or
I am paranoid scum

And end with the conclusion "he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him" and that somehow leaves them saying I am scum

[unwnd]

This is another large theme game where I find trust very hard to find. I think my problem stems from the fact that maybe I respect others too much. Petapan, Morph the Cat, Kakeguri, Lukewarm. You know the people I was talking about being deliberate/meaningful. I respect their aptitude but it's not clicking here. Is this the fault with me or is it just multiball/D1 jitters where you can't really produce a coherent list given that you have a lot of fucking distancing going on. I'm not ready to trust given there are two factions that could try to kill me and the last multiball game I ended up with two shots in the chest. Lucky me.

I think if I were to seperate these 4 however in terms of readability over time it'd be something like Lukewarm -> Kakeguri -> Morph -> Peta. Peta takes great pride in his scumgame and likes trying different shit out. Morph probably is flexible as well. I like their content but that doesn't equate to trust. If you're tired of hearing me throw that word around get used to it. I think the terminology Cabd enjoys using is a pass. I would maybe given Peta/Morph a pass beyond D1 but that's likely guaranteed because they are not scum that dies D1. My efforts are more focused on killing low equity wolves/mafia and then seeing how potential bigshots who are aligned with them react to it.

I think right now Whemey is scum. Gut feelings resided by his chauvinistic behavior. Whemey is not exactly the knight who leads a bunch of mercenaries into battle for a noble cause. He's more of a self-proclaimed hero who tries to rout out evil when he sees it. Yet why was he was operating differently and trying to get people to join his cause? And on who exactly? T3? The person who is ubiquitously scumread by almost everyone? That doesn't seem very noble or townie to me. It all feels like poor acting and I fault Morph a bit for saying they liked his energy. Energy is the easiest emotion to fake and I would even say his energy is excessive. We agree to disagree unless my points compel you to think otherwise. It's not a masterstroke of a read but I'm not expecting to get great hits on D1. This is why I'm OK with killing off T3/Dannflor still because T3 was playing at low equity and that is where my priorities lie.

Unwnd I think you were missing on what I was trying to do

What was that exactly?

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

-------

Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Does "wary" = scumread?

Not quite? More like, I don't feel like I can trust any of those.

I would say that in general, I don't usually start with scum reads, I start out looking for people I feel like I can trust, and then scum reads come later - there are probably exceptions to this, but I think that this is generally closer to my norm

The frustrating thing this game, is that all of the people I have played with before are all getting a "can't trust" label from me when I look at them

Maybe the size of the game and the multiball are getting to me.

this reads very fake after unwnd just made a post exactly like this....

-Mister Ocean

Good point here, there could not possibly be TWO players in this 22 player game that prefer to start with town reads

[Celestial Powerhouse]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him here.

another thing is that I'm not a fan of one other person. this was something I was thinking for quite a while but I just forgot what their name was. I'll be back but need to put this here so I dont procrastinate and end up forgetting completely.

-Mister Ocean

The more I think about this post, the more nonsensical it is to me.

They present 2 possibilities for my position which are basically:

I am paranoid town, or
I am paranoid scum

And end with the conclusion "he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him" and that somehow leaves them saying I am scum

No such thing as paranoid scum(minus mech). Scum would be worried that powerful town players would steamroll them. You could be paranoid town but I think your town game is stronger than that. You're also just purposefully twisting the meaning of my posts.

-Mister Ocean

[The Resistance]

We should be killing Shelby but that's unlikely to happen.

[Celestial Powerhouse]

Spoiler:

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

-------

Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Does "wary" = scumread?

Not quite? More like, I don't feel like I can trust any of those.

I would say that in general, I don't usually start with scum reads, I start out looking for people I feel like I can trust, and then scum reads come later - there are probably exceptions to this, but I think that this is generally closer to my norm

The frustrating thing this game, is that all of the people I have played with before are all getting a "can't trust" label from me when I look at them

Maybe the size of the game and the multiball are getting to me.

this reads very fake after unwnd just made a post exactly like this....

-Mister Ocean

Good point here, there could not possibly be TWO players in this 22 player game that prefer to start with town reads

why are you pretending to not understand what I'm talking about and shading me for it? Im specifically talking about the AtE thrown about "woe is me multi ball is making me not trust anyone"

morph. do you think lukewarm is town here?

-Mister Ocean

[WhemeStar]

This is another large theme game where I find trust very hard to find. I think my problem stems from the fact that maybe I respect others too much. Petapan, Morph the Cat, Kakeguri, Lukewarm. You know the people I was talking about being deliberate/meaningful. I respect their aptitude but it's not clicking here. Is this the fault with me or is it just multiball/D1 jitters where you can't really produce a coherent list given that you have a lot of fucking distancing going on. I'm not ready to trust given there are two factions that could try to kill me and the last multiball game I ended up with two shots in the chest. Lucky me.

I think if I were to seperate these 4 however in terms of readability over time it'd be something like Lukewarm -> Kakeguri -> Morph -> Peta. Peta takes great pride in his scumgame and likes trying different shit out. Morph probably is flexible as well. I like their content but that doesn't equate to trust. If you're tired of hearing me throw that word around get used to it. I think the terminology Cabd enjoys using is a pass. I would maybe given Peta/Morph a pass beyond D1 but that's likely guaranteed because they are not scum that dies D1. My efforts are more focused on killing low equity wolves/mafia and then seeing how potential bigshots who are aligned with them react to it.

I think right now Whemey is scum. Gut feelings resided by his chauvinistic behavior. Whemey is not exactly the knight who leads a bunch of mercenaries into battle for a noble cause. He's more of a self-proclaimed hero who tries to rout out evil when he sees it. Yet why was he was operating differently and trying to get people to join his cause? And on who exactly? T3? The person who is ubiquitously scumread by almost everyone? That doesn't seem very noble or townie to me. It all feels like poor acting and I fault Morph a bit for saying they liked his energy. Energy is the easiest emotion to fake and I would even say his energy is excessive. We agree to disagree unless my points compel you to think otherwise. It's not a masterstroke of a read but I'm not expecting to get great hits on D1. This is why I'm OK with killing off T3/Dannflor still because T3 was playing at low equity and that is where my priorities lie.

Unwnd I think you were missing on what I was trying to do

What was that exactly?

Less so trying to defend t3 more so trying to call out morph for lying about a T3 scumread

[unwnd]

This is another large theme game where I find trust very hard to find. I think my problem stems from the fact that maybe I respect others too much. Petapan, Morph the Cat, Kakeguri, Lukewarm. You know the people I was talking about being deliberate/meaningful. I respect their aptitude but it's not clicking here. Is this the fault with me or is it just multiball/D1 jitters where you can't really produce a coherent list given that you have a lot of fucking distancing going on. I'm not ready to trust given there are two factions that could try to kill me and the last multiball game I ended up with two shots in the chest. Lucky me.

I think if I were to seperate these 4 however in terms of readability over time it'd be something like Lukewarm -> Kakeguri -> Morph -> Peta. Peta takes great pride in his scumgame and likes trying different shit out. Morph probably is flexible as well. I like their content but that doesn't equate to trust. If you're tired of hearing me throw that word around get used to it. I think the terminology Cabd enjoys using is a pass. I would maybe given Peta/Morph a pass beyond D1 but that's likely guaranteed because they are not scum that dies D1. My efforts are more focused on killing low equity wolves/mafia and then seeing how potential bigshots who are aligned with them react to it.

I think right now Whemey is scum. Gut feelings resided by his chauvinistic behavior. Whemey is not exactly the knight who leads a bunch of mercenaries into battle for a noble cause. He's more of a self-proclaimed hero who tries to rout out evil when he sees it. Yet why was he was operating differently and trying to get people to join his cause? And on who exactly? T3? The person who is ubiquitously scumread by almost everyone? That doesn't seem very noble or townie to me. It all feels like poor acting and I fault Morph a bit for saying they liked his energy. Energy is the easiest emotion to fake and I would even say his energy is excessive. We agree to disagree unless my points compel you to think otherwise. It's not a masterstroke of a read but I'm not expecting to get great hits on D1. This is why I'm OK with killing off T3/Dannflor still because T3 was playing at low equity and that is where my priorities lie.

Unwnd I think you were missing on what I was trying to do

What was that exactly?

Less so trying to defend t3 more so trying to call out morph for lying about a T3 scumread

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They..lied about it? Did I miss where you made this clear? Feel free to reiterate

[Dannflor]

Spoiler:

It’s pretty obvious t3 was town and morph should know that he was town from his posts

What is it that makes T3 obviously town to you?

And why should we know that?

Shall we take a trip to the past to unwnd’s latest theme game?

It’s pretty obvious t3 was town and morph should know that he was town from his posts

What is it that makes T3 obviously town to you?

And why should we know that?

Shall we take a trip to the past to unwnd’s latest theme game?

If you think T3 replacing into a scum slot in that game has relevance here, absolutely.

No it’s how t3 reacts to pressure

man fck u morph

i am willing to vote t3 slot now

I just read through like 5 of his games. Two that stuck out to me were one you modded and he was scum and a normal he was town in.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12812753

Whats interesting about the normal game is he did the same fake claim that he did he at start of day but in the normal game he played it WAY differently.
Your newbie game I think paints a clearer picture for me on how T3 views himself as town and how he tries his townplay as scum. I think he swings and misses though when im reading through his iso in a scum game compared to a town game. I didn't think T3 was the type of player to kind of hyper post / troll post as scum and was more of the wary type as he was scared he would get caught.

im a little confused

why aren't you voting me now