Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-16

East met West in Fall River Massachusetts in the 1920s. This is when the Chow Mien Sandwich became a thing. The sandwich went on to feature at lunch counters, canteens and school cafeterias in Massachussets and beyond.

JamesTheNames

(3): T3, VFP, Lady Lambdadelta

T3

(2): JamesTheNames, cowsloveSushirolls

VFP

(2): Looker, HockeyFan

Looker

(1): GrandpaMo

Not Voting

(1): Clasko

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Revised Deadline: July 17, Midnight US Eastern Time (one day added)

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-16 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Clasko]

Eh sure, I'll sheep the consensus. Some of my read's based on the claim anyway:

VOTE: JamesTheNames

(1): Claskjo

*rolls eyes*

That's E-1.

[fferyllt]

oops! fixed!

[HockeyFan]

What makes T3 on your radar as scum right now?

he has not done anythign towny. Also fwiw, the whole T3/VFP thing is only something i am going to pay attention on d1 most likely. I said in 719 that i think town should shift away from it a bit but since no one budged, i got back on it as we got closer to deadline. Stop assuming that I am going to sus ONLY these 2 the whole gmae

If I give some names, can you tell me what these players have done that is towny? And where the bar is currently at?

Looker
Grampa
LLD
Clasko

Any order is fine.

From

most

town to

least

town

Clakso- Really Really liked thier entrenacne,reads and the reasoning behind it e.t.c
LLD- Dont have a good read on this slot, but I think the confidence she showed right at the beginning is +town
Grampa- weirdly enough, their whole interaction/tunnel with me is town
Looker- cant get a read on this slot - null

And just as a reminder, anyone who is "null" to me is STILL higher than scum on my reads list. For example- Looker/LLD/somewhat Grandpa are probs on my null list but LLD/Grandpa HAVE done towny things which is why they're not on my scum list

Also, i will be gone for about the next hour, so sorry if i dont respond to u quickly

This is such a generic response that you're just missing "gut". Your argument was T3 hasn't done anything that is town. Wouldn't that put T3 as null rather than just a little less scummy than me?
Let's start with each.

Clakso, which reads in particular? Why is this the most basic reasoning but yet the most town read to you?

650,655,656. Thier reasoning offerd a differrent perspective on these ppl specfially which once again, I dont think scum does(they would just lazily sheep the available reasoning and play it off)

LLD - Why can't scum be confident? What has LLD done for you that is town, considering that confidence isn't a town tell and you have advised that LLD has done something as town.

Ok well I think scum can be confident but town are usually more confident early game after seeing their role

Grampa - why is their tunnel on you town? What posts from the interaction are you liking as town? What has Grampa done that is town? Pushed you?

Because they could have continued their tunnel but they back off which i dont think scum!grampa does. For exmaple lets take 305. They basically defended themselves alot and towards the end of the psot called me town which i dont think scum does(just drop the push after writing a big ass essay). note that they don't attempt to SR/tunnel me a single time after

Looker - whats the difference with Looker and T3?

T3 has way more posts

[HockeyFan]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Grandpa is towny. What his posts look like and the frequency of them are similar but I find Townpa to be open minded and Scumpa to tunnel limbait town.

town: be condemned as limbait
scum: condemn limbait

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

You're my strongest town read, so if you wanna convince this not to happen it'll need to flow through me anyway.

Why don't you like it?

[HockeyFan]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

You're my strongest town read, so if you wanna convince this not to happen it'll need to flow through me anyway.

Why don't you like it?

more of the fact that i think town gets mroe info for liming VFP/T3

VFP scum- cows scum
VFP town- probs James scum?
T3 town- Gpa scum
T3 maf- Not sure yet

[cowsloveSushirolls]

to be honest, i have a few reasons to not believe that. if it's beneficial to town i'll post it but i'm content with just saying "james town"

it is time

timeline:
in the middle of RVS, james claims VT.

On a serious note though, I'm a Vanilla Townie, if I redact it later and claim a Power Role feel free to hammer me. Thank you.

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multiple people (includes hockey, grandpamo) talk about the action, whether it's NAI or not, and how out of character it is

tstbs

There is literally 0 chance that's the read u got out of James post 40 if you are town. How are u even getting a read on that post

Think about it. I never seen James claim this early especially considering them to imply they will claim PR only if they are scum (with the hammering mech)


It just feels out of place.

I don't think scum just puts them selves out there and contradicts themselves later on as a meme or even a real claim.

That's why I feel like it is tstbs just for the fact that this isn't James usual style, I am on the lookout though.

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james explains

You worry too much about meta Mo. I am going to play different every game until I find a way I like best.

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unprompted, james backtracks a bit. (i'm totally not a PR! i might even be scum!)

I'll just explain the intent behind my post 40 shall I?
If scum end up thinking I'm a Power Role from this, voila, there's 1 night without a dead Power Role.
If scum leave me, we have a non-Mason conf-town, always lovely.
Or maybe I'm just scum pulling your leg early.

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cows takes the claim at face value, says they aren't slick by saying this
james stops the weird wifom thing because of what i said for some reason (ok, i'm just VT lol)

I'll just explain the intent behind my post 40 shall I?
If scum end up thinking I'm a Power Role from this, voila, there's 1 night without a dead Power Role.
If scum leave me, we have a non-Mason conf-town, always lovely.
Or maybe I'm just scum pulling your leg early.

stop being wifom-y or whatever. just tell me the most likely outcome i know a lot of you guys aren't as slick as you think you are (joshing)
in my homesite claiming VT early comes from town many times more than scum so i'll townbin you and call it a day

I'm just VT, there isn't any underlying reasons for claiming it other than it being safe to.

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james has an innocent tone while they talk about how they thought it might've been good for town.

I just felt like it would be a good thing to do, its my 4th game so there's plenty of room for me to experiment.

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whatever this post is. i figured i'd include it. @james explain?

If I survive D1 I'm so dead N1...

i don't think this is james grandstanding as scum. this is VT james being outted as antitown and exactly a VT, despite wanting to bait in this game, and then him backtracking an incredible amount
isn't this like, town? i don't think scum interacts with their fakeclaim like this
i learn absolutely nothing from condemning james. i already have the info from the flash wagon, that's basically all i need

[cowsloveSushirolls]

T3 is james but like, thrice as scummy

[T3]

Vote Count 1-15

The history of the Reuben sandwich is somewhat contested. There is some evidence that the first Reuben was served at the Blackstone Hotel in Omaha, Nebraska that hosted a (yes, once again) gambling club. and also that Reuben's Restaurant in New York was the birthplace of the sandwich. By the 1940s, there are menus from both restaurants that feature the Reuben as it is known today: corned beef, Swiss cheese, sauerkraut, and Russian dressing, grilled between slices of rye bread.

T3

(3): VFP, JamesTheNames, cowsloveSushirolls

VFP

(2): Looker, HockeyFan

Looker

(1): GrandpaMo

JamesTheNames

(1): T3

Not Voting

(2): Clasko, Lady Lambdadelta

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Revised Deadline: July 17, Midnight US Eastern Time (one day added)

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-16 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

fferyllt-Cabd combined ISO for vote counts
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This VC is still the same.

VOTE: James
If there's interest here I can lim James over T3. I'm changing my mind on T3.

Vote: James

Eh sure, I'll sheep the consensus. Some of my read's based on the claim anyway:

VOTE: JamesTheNames

(1): Claskjo

*rolls eyes*

That's E-1.

This wagon materialized way to fast.

[T3]

NVM there's 2 hours until deadline.

[HockeyFan]

Eh sure, I'll sheep the consensus. Some of my read's based on the claim anyway:

VOTE: JamesTheNames

(1): Claskjo

*rolls eyes*

That's E-1.

what about the claim is "scummy"

[T3]

James in in the uk so I don't think he'll be around at deadline considering it's 3 am there.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

silver lining is that you guys are wagoning a dude that already claimed

the thing that isnt lining is that they are town

[T3]

Unless James wakes up to get a 3 AM snack and develops ESP and realizes he's being wagoned I think whoever is online has to hamer him if we are to avoid a no lim.

[HockeyFan]

Unless James wakes up to get a 3 AM snack and develops ESP and realizes he's being wagoned I think whoever is online has to hamer him if we are to avoid a no lim.

oh do u have to hammer for vote to go through? i thought maj vote gets limmed

[cowsloveSushirolls]

ill do it if nobody else does maybe like, 10 minutes before deadline
so i have permission to make a 2000 word spitepost

or apology

[T3]

Unless James wakes up to get a 3 AM snack and develops ESP and realizes he's being wagoned I think whoever is online has to hamer him if we are to avoid a no lim.

oh do u have to hammer for vote to go through? i thought maj vote gets limmed

You have to hammer.

[HockeyFan]

okay we have 1 hour til deadline, can the ppl who are voting james vote one of vfp/t3(preferably VFP) cuz that gives us alot more info @clasko, @LLD

[T3]

I still prefer a James wagon. Also, I don't think enough people are online to mount a wagon on VFP in an hour.

[T3]

My play really has changed and I think VFP is either alignment who noticed that and is pushing me. I was solely scumreading VFP for reading me wrong but looking at my own meta I'm not sure whether I'm scummy or just weirdly null from an outsiders POV.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

You're my strongest town read, so if you wanna convince this not to happen it'll need to flow through me anyway.

Why don't you like it?

more of the fact that i think town gets mroe info for liming VFP/T3

VFP scum- cows scum
VFP town- probs James scum?
T3 town- Gpa scum
T3 maf- Not sure yet

You're drawing pre-flip conclusions with a lot of things that I'm not hyper sure I agree with, especially without a scum nightkill to look at as well.

We vote the scummiest individual player, and not any chainings.

[HockeyFan]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

You're my strongest town read, so if you wanna convince this not to happen it'll need to flow through me anyway.

Why don't you like it?

more of the fact that i think town gets mroe info for liming VFP/T3

VFP scum- cows scum
VFP town- probs James scum?
T3 town- Gpa scum
T3 maf- Not sure yet

You're drawing pre-flip conclusions with a lot of things that I'm not hyper sure I agree with, especially without a scum nightkill to look at as well.

We vote the scummiest individual player, and not any chainings.

yea i get that but I just dont see why James is scum

[cowsloveSushirolls]

okay we have 1 hour til deadline, can the ppl who are voting james vote one of vfp/t3(preferably VFP) cuz that gives us alot more info @clasko, @LLD

voting VFP is a deathwish if you consider the world that they're a power role
i think there's a non-zero chance and i think im just fine calling it off and forcing a t3/james split